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AMD to C2D convert?

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ThermoNuke

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Heres the deal and im looking for useful input on this. I may be looking at switching from my Socket 939 4800+ X2 w/ 2GB DDR-400 to a C2D E6600 w/ 2GB DDR-800. Wanting to get away from the 939 because it is no longer supported and only supports DDR1.

From what I've seen so far the e6600 looks to be a good 25% faster in some areas compared to the 4800+.

My question is do you think this would be a viable upgrade? I've already got an offer to buy my old hardware so I'm actually only looking at spending 200$ on switching over.
 
Sounds like a good upgrade, similar to what I did at the Core 2 Duo's launch (X2 3800+ @ 2.4ghz to a Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 3.3ghz)... the difference was, to say the least, startling. For that price, I'd jump on it!
 
Save it. Unless you do a lot of video editing, converting, and highend gaming, you won't notice the difference.

If you plan on overclocking to 3.4Ghz+ however..... do it. Btw, how much are you selling your 939 chip? Those go for a lot now so don't get ripped off.
 
Core 2's are worth it, I upgraded from a P4 to a Conroe, so the difference for me was knock-you-off-your-socks incredible.
 
Well, I have the mobo, CPU, and RAM up for 450 and have already had several offers for it. It seemed about fair to me. But if im selling my self short I would hope you fine people would save me from myself ;D I'll also add that the mobo is a cheapy. It's one of those biostar's with a AGP/PCI-E combo and NF4 chipset. Bought it because at the time i had a FX5900 AGP and was going to upgrade to a 78000 GT (which i did).

As far as what I use my PC on, i play alot of SupCom right now.. Which is almost as high end gaming as you can get right now as far as CPU intensity. Other games played include BF2142 CSS, and probably C&C3 once its released.
 
well toolskizm said he stepped up from 3200 w/ 1gb to e6600 /w 2gb and saw little performance increase i would recommend waiting for barcelona quad core that is if it really turns out to be what AMD is saying it will be i guess we'll see in Q2 of 2007 im not just telling you this because im a bit of an AMD !!!!!! but because the cpu doesnt really effect performance all that much as i have read what i would do if you havent allready is invest in a NICE watercooling setup and OC the hell out of ur 4800x2 a nice watercooling setup usually lasts 5+ years you will feel buyers remorse much sooner if you get a new cpu right now the 4800x2 is still pleanty powerfull for gaming you probably wouldnt even be able to feel or see the difference unless your a benchmark whore youd probably see a few more fps but i wouldnt say its worth it
 
ThermoNuke said:
Heres the deal and im looking for useful input on this. I may be looking at switching from my Socket 939 4800+ X2 w/ 2GB DDR-400 to a C2D E6600 w/ 2GB DDR-800. Wanting to get away from the 939 because it is no longer supported and only supports DDR1.

From what I've seen so far the e6600 looks to be a good 25% faster in some areas compared to the 4800+.

My question is do you think this would be a viable upgrade? I've already got an offer to buy my old hardware so I'm actually only looking at spending 200$ on switching over.
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I would say that is a good idea, if your in need of more CPU performance, not to mention your system would be easier to cool with the E6600. I won't suggest waiting for Desktop K8L/K10 as they aren't due to arrive till Q3 2007. There isn't enough information to say if the available AMD processors then will best the available Intel SKU's then.
 
There are going to be small countries whos GDP wont be able to buy a K10 let alone me 8p

And just to add, Ive become unhappy with AMD as of late. Issues ranging from changing sockets every year to a lack of response to C2d have left a bitter taste towards AMD.
 
I went from an AMD64 3500+ to a D940 and i noticed a large difference, then i went to the e6400 and it knocked my socks off. i am not looking back one bit.
 
I bought an x2 4600 about 3 months ago when AMD cut their prices. My old Athalon 64 3000 ran Quake 4 at 60FPS at 12 x 10. With my x2 4600, my FPS dropped to about 25 FPS. I am running a 7800GT.

I ordered a E6600, MB and 2 gigs of ram. I can't wait till it arrives. I am also going to order a 8800 GTX when I get my taxes back. It should be a great upgrade.

I have been using AMD since the K6-166 days.

ZMAN
 
If it's only going to cost you $200, I say go for it.

ZMAN, did you install the dual core optomizer on your X2 rig? If not, it may be the reason for your performance issues in games. If you're getting rid of that system for the C2D it's a moot point I suppose, but if you're keeping it around as a 2nd gaming machine, give it a shot if you haven't already.
 
RamonGTP said:
ZMAN, did you install the dual core optomizer on your X2 rig? If not, it may be the reason for your performance issues in games. If you're getting rid of that system for the C2D it's a moot point I suppose, but if you're keeping it around as a 2nd gaming machine, give it a shot if you haven't already.
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Yeah, I tried the dual core optomizer, which didn't help. I've had othe players in the clan I am in try to help with other patches and such, but nothing helped. The only thing I probably should have tried was a reformat, but didn't want to re install all my apps. No choice now, hehe.

I also use my computer for Photoshop, a little autocad, and some video editing.

It would be nice to have a second gaming machine.
 
Would you guys suggest waiting two months for the price cut and get a E6700? Or just go for the e6600 now?
 
ThermoNuke said:
Heres the deal and im looking for useful input on this. I may be looking at switching from my Socket 939 4800+ X2 w/ 2GB DDR-400 to a C2D E6600 w/ 2GB DDR-800. Wanting to get away from the 939 because it is no longer supported and only supports DDR1.

From what I've seen so far the e6600 looks to be a good 25% faster in some areas compared to the 4800+.

My question is do you think this would be a viable upgrade? I've already got an offer to buy my old hardware so I'm actually only looking at spending 200$ on switching over.
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If you can get the system right where yours is now ram and video card wise it wouldnt be "bad" but its still not a massive upgrade thats going to make you dance for joy. More of a "meh its a bit faster" kind of thing. Might also leave you wondering if you would have been better served with a video card upgrade.
 
Jakalwarrior said:
If you can get the system right where yours is now ram and video card wise it wouldnt be "bad" but its still not a massive upgrade thats going to make you dance for joy. More of a "meh its a bit faster" kind of thing. Might also leave you wondering if you would have been better served with a video card upgrade.
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Yea, I actually started considering that option. The 8900's are supposed to come out next month so i may pick one up or buy a EVGA and just upgrade when they hit. After taking in alot of info from people i'm still middle of the road as far as whether a CPU upgrade is warranted right now. In april the E6700 will drop to nearly 300$ so i may just wait till then.


Still undecided however.
 
Could always just overclock ;)
When you get a new game though and crank up the settings, have you ever went "OH NO my cpu is too slow to play this!" Only happened to me once and that was because I was trying to host a multiplayer game on a 2.0 northwood celeron.
If you do a lot of video encoding though you have to decide if getting done a bit faster every time you encode a video is worth a 200 dollar fee to you. You never did mention what video card you have though. Its really complicated trying to decide if anything in your computer needs to be updated and where to draw the money / need threshold. A lot of it is based on personal opinion and how much the price means to you.
Im a broke college student though so I tend to lean towards not spending lol.
 
I have an x2 4400+ Toledo system @ 2.4 and a C2D e6600 easily clocked to 3.4. The difference is remarkable. At that low a price, it's absolutely worth it. And IMO, stick with the e6600. You should be able to get a nice OC on air with it, and save you a couple hundred bills.
 
The difference in what I might ask? I always hear people say that but they never say in what. Did it make it so you could turn the settings in your game higher without losing frames? did it make web browsing and desktop stuff more instant than it already is?
 
Is it worth it upgrading for me now? Cant really complain bout games they all run just fine on this machine. Where I live itll cost me about 2500$ just 4 top mobo/ top ram(2G)/ and a 6800core duo. I know conroe kicks ass right now but quads are already out and I thought mayb just wait litl longer 4 some quad ExtremeE or something 2 comeout and then upgrade? - quad sounds abit better then duo.
Any suggestions are welcome.
 
Jakalwarrior said:
Could always just overclock ;)
When you get a new game though and crank up the settings, have you ever went "OH NO my cpu is too slow to play this!" Only happened to me once and that was because I was trying to host a multiplayer game on a 2.0 northwood celeron.
If you do a lot of video encoding though you have to decide if getting done a bit faster every time you encode a video is worth a 200 dollar fee to you. You never did mention what video card you have though. Its really complicated trying to decide if anything in your computer needs to be updated and where to draw the money / need threshold. A lot of it is based on personal opinion and how much the price means to you.
Im a broke college student though so I tend to lean towards not spending lol.
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I have a eVga 7800GT OC SE.


And see thats my problem right now. Some people are saying its like light and day, some are saying its not a big upgrade.. *confused*
 
Many of the people claiming huge gains upgraded from processors significanly slower than what you are currently running. Some of them were comparing a single core Athlon64 to a C2D, so of course it is going to be huge for them. Then there is the question of how clutttered was their OS install right before they made the upgrade?

Will the C2D be faster than what you currently have? Yes, definatly. Will it be a night and day difference? I'd have to say no, not if your currunt setup is running properly but it will be noticable. If you were just flat out spending money on a completely new system for the increase in performance, I would say it is definatly NOT worth it. But if you're selling your current rig and getting enough for it that the upgrade is only going to cost you $200, then I'd say it is worth it.
 
Lemme chime my own experience :

I have a 7900GS and I ran 3DMark05 with a Athlon64 3000+ Venice core @ 2.6 GHz to get a score of approximately 6000. This may seem meaningless but when I watched the test loops, I felt that the video card is painfully generating frames with general chopiness. The CPU test is even more painful with 1-3 seconds per frame (not the other way). I heard many ppl say that as long as I get the A64 over 2.2 GHz, I won't bottleneck the video card.

When I redid the same test yesterday evening with my C2D E4300 @ 3.2 GHz, it felt much much more smoother and the CPU test is doing 6-8 fps, over 4x better than with the A64. It also felt much smoother and I noticed the video card is now the bottleneck. It also gave out a score of 8500 approximately.

Mind you, the performance difference I noticed in reality is less than 20%-30% but the overall feeling and snapiness (spelling??) is doubled. I felt that the upgrade to a C2D is a very good bang for the buck.

And to complete my own experience, I'm feeling I can push my CPU even higher since at 3.2 GHz, I see approximately 60C under full load, Orthos stable for over 12 hours. This is a big contraste from the measly 2.6 GHz ceiling I saw with the A64 (not even prime stable), at the same temps.

To sum it, I think it's a very worthwhile upgrade.
 
I too am converting back to Intel. I am no f-a-n-b-o-y I just get whatever is the best at the time I am ready to buy. I have been on AMD for a while now ever since leaving my old P4 2.4 @3ghz a long time ago....and my current X2 rig is actually going on 2 years...

But the time has come, I have some new parts due in thursday, consisting of:

E6400 cpu
Gigabyte DS3 board
320gb sata 3.0 Seagate
Samsung sata dvd-rw
2gb Geil 4-4-4 DDR2 (2x1gb)

Reusing my old:

Thermaltake Tsunami
Thermaltake Big Typhoon
250gb sata150 WD
60gb sata150 WD
XFX 8800GTS
etc.


Should be a good match with my FPD2485W display....and of course, I am going to overclock the C2D, looking for 3ghz, anything past that will be a rich chocolate pudding to go along with the main course. :D
 
I think im going to bench it with 3dsmark when i get home and see what it pulls and well go from there.
 
I'm in the same boat, but only if I can still get decent prices for the stuff for sale in my signature.
 
Going from my seemingly fast X2 @ 2.66ghz, to my newer 6300 @ 3.5ghz was just incredible. :eek:


I can actually watch a movie on one screen while playing with real-time audio (lots of tracks at once) and webcamming over skype.

Productivity didn't really change, but the amount of things I can now do while still being productive is astounding :D
 
ThermoNuke said:
Heres the deal and im looking for useful input on this. I may be looking at switching from my Socket 939 4800+ X2 w/ 2GB DDR-400 to a C2D E6600 w/ 2GB DDR-800. Wanting to get away from the 939 because it is no longer supported and only supports DDR1.
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Welcome to the dark side.... muhahahaha!!!

Seriously, welcome. I have yet to lag out my 6400 system, and I've tried.
 
Would I see any increase going to a E6600 from a Northwood 2.66 Pentium 4?
















:D

Sorry couldn't resist
 
I'm drooling to replace the rig that's out of commission in my .sig

Night and day I guess. Sorry for OT.
 
Ughh. Just played the C&C3 demo. Tried at max quality and it ran pretty shitty. Im wondering if its actually my GPU owning me. 3dsmark06 is currently downloading. Will post scores later.
 
7233 3d Marks in 3dmark05. =[ (free edition, default settings)

So does it sound like im CPU or GPU limited?
 
ThermoNuke said:
7233 3d Marks in 3dmark05. =[ (free edition, default settings)

So does it sound like im CPU or GPU limited?
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To find out if you're GPU/CPU limited simply turn you graphics settings down (or up) if your FPS stayes about the same, it's the CPU... If you FPS goes up when you lower the visuals, then you're likely GPU limited.
 
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