AMD Threadripper Cooling Update

Discussion in 'Overclocking & Cooling' started by Kyle_Bennett, Aug 31, 2017.

  1. Kyle_Bennett

    Kyle_Bennett El Chingón Staff Member

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    Moving forward...

     
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    ZeqOBpf6 Limp Gawd

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    I got one second in to the video and I am already impressed, seriously. This is the first time I've seen that but your intro has cool graphics, a cool sound that isn't obnoxious, and most importantly, it's a one second intro.

    EDIT: Holy shit that Resource Monitor on the left. :wtf:
     
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  3. Kyle_Bennett

    Kyle_Bennett El Chingón Staff Member

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    Sometimes less is better. :)
     
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    Nokia [H]ard|Gawd

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    Thanks for what you do. Waiting on final results before I decide to drop that much cash on a new system.
     
  5. Kyle_Bennett

    Kyle_Bennett El Chingón Staff Member

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    Hehe, rookies don't know how to read, or double check figures. ;)

    Or you could just read the reviewer's guide they sent us a month ago.

    As with the AMD Ryzen™ processor, the AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ processor tracks two distinct
    temperature sensors:

    · Tjunction (Tj): the average true temperature at the interface point between the processor die(s) and
    heatspreader.
    · Tcontrol (Tctl): an AMD proprietary offset that is designed to govern automatic fan policies.

    The Tctl offset for the AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ processor is +27°C to Tjunction. If a third-party
    temperature monitoring application is not updated to account for the Tctl offset, then a user must manually
    subtract 27°C from the reported temperature to derive the current junction temperature.

    NOTE: This offset has already been accounted for in HWiNFO64 v5.55-3210 (or later). The “Tdie” row in the
    application’s sensor panel will report the true junction temp.


    That all said, I am using new AGESA and UEFI and New version of Ryzen Master for Threadripper I downloaded yesterday. I have been saving NO files....down new from the source every time.
     
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    Folterknecht n00bie

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  7. Kyle_Bennett

    Kyle_Bennett El Chingón Staff Member

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    And my comments were directed at THG, not you. :)
     
  8. ssnyder28

    ssnyder28 2[H]4U

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    Looks like a nice pile of cpus under your monitor
     
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  9. Balthazar2k4

    Balthazar2k4 CoreJizzer For Life

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    I just installed the Liqtech 360 TR4 on my 1950x. Big improvement over the Corsair H100v2. I could run at 4GHz, but temps would run around 76c running two HEVC encodes. While certainly doable I backed it off to 3.9ghz and now see temps below 70c. Haven't tried Prime95 yet...
     
  10. Burticus

    Burticus 2[H]4U

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    75c! That seems like a lot. Is it a lot? I don't have a CoreJizzer so I don't know.
     
  11. Folterknecht

    Folterknecht n00bie

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    I understood that ;)


    Though Igor Wallossek isn't some random noobie, who struggles to handle a voltmeter correctly quite the opposite is true. When it comes to analysing powerdraw, heat and noise emissions he 's actually one of the best imo, has access to really good testing equipment and is the reason I personally bother with TH at all.
    He 's (afaik) the guy who brought up the RX480 PCIe-slot powerdraw issue. One can approach that whole mess from different directions, but there are standards for good reasons.

    Beside the fact you guys probably use different board/BIOS combinations and mistakes can happen to everyone, I just wanted to point you to a possbile issue. What you make of it ... .
     
  12. Balthazar2k4

    Balthazar2k4 CoreJizzer For Life

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    I am officially adopting CoreJizzer as the replacement for Threadripper. Hope you don't mind.

    As for the temps, well, these processors tend to run pretty warm when you OC and 75c is still 10c below the throttle point so it is certainly within normal operating limits.
     
  13. Kyle_Bennett

    Kyle_Bennett El Chingón Staff Member

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    16 cores / 32 threads under one heatspreader at 4GHz?
     
  14. Kyle_Bennett

    Kyle_Bennett El Chingón Staff Member

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    poof! Jizz....it sticks. See what I did there?
     
  15. iNViSiGOD

    iNViSiGOD Limp Gawd

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    I for one am glad to see these videos again. As someone who has mild autism having the visuals in a video really helps put things in perspective. Thanks Kyle!
     
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    RogueTadhg Gawd

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    Nope. Can't see what you've done because there's jizz all over the processors.

    Which you may want to consult a doctor if yours is as thick as thermal paste or Brazzers. Maybe both.

    Good video though. Love the setups. Yeah, rats nest - but like you said, swap hardware enough times then a rats' nest is the best way.
     
  17. pendragon1

    pendragon1 [H]ardness Supreme

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    hahaha someones got a nice new custom title!
     
  18. Balthazar2k4

    Balthazar2k4 CoreJizzer For Life

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    Ironically, I'm not even the one who came up with, but I do think CoreJizzer is a pretty damn funny replacement for Threadripper. After all, they are both pretty dumb, juvenile sounding names. Regardless, it's Kyle's site so I am down for whatever.
     
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    Just a suggestion but you might want to make your keyboards more visually distinct. When I have multiple PCs on the go, I have one black keyboard and one beige keyboard. I also try to have visually distinct trackballs. This helps prevent accidentally nuking the wrong system.
     
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    This is why I like [H], lol.
     
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  21. Kyle_Bennett

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    That is why the USB keys and keyboard have a blue piece of tape stuck on. :)
     
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  22. sirmonkey1985

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    juvenile or not it's still nice to see companies having a little fun with their product naming.
     
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  23. doyll

    doyll Kyle's Thermocouple is HOT

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    Very well done! (y)
    I normally avoid videos because of all the garbage being shown and said. Yours is short and to the point.
     
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    Why do you think Threadripper is juvenile? It does what it sounds like.
     
  25. Balthazar2k4

    Balthazar2k4 CoreJizzer For Life

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    That is one way of looking at it. I have spent too long in Intel's world of Core ix and am not used to a company having a little fun with their processor names. Intel has conditioned and brainwashed me. I still think they could have come up with something better sounding than Threadripper even if that is its intended function. Doesn't really matter in the end as I now use one as my primary machine. First time back in the AMD fold in more than 15 years. I'm glad to be back.
     
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  26. Burticus

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    Actually back when Threadripper was announced there was a forum thread with "alternative" names, "CoreJizzer" was one of my suggestions.

    Another popular one (not mine) was CoreGasm.

    Anyway it's a real product now and AMD hasn't sent me any royalty checks for the name change, so I guess it didn't take. :)
     
  27. Balthazar2k4

    Balthazar2k4 CoreJizzer For Life

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    Well, I'm CoreJizzer for Life now :)
     
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  28. Burticus

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    I see what you did there!
     
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  29. Kyle_Bennett

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    Got a new motherboard on the bench, and took me nine hours to get it dialed in to run Threadripper at 4GHz with the latest version of Prime95 for an hour without failure, but it did load the cooling up!
     
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    That sounds great to me. My i7-3770k at 4.4 can hits 80-81 on hot days so I if the Liquitech 240 can keep a load at 80c I'd keep it there personally when I get one. I have been going back and forth about getting either the 240 vs the 360 version for my TR build. I want the 360 but the case I bought the Rosewill B2 Stealth looks like it can mount the 360 but the top design has this chimney thing that looks like it would only let the air blow out the top for 2 fans (or a 240 radiator) at best. I am thinking I might remove those "noise reducing" features and the front door (or dremel some slits in the front door). BTW Does anyone know if you run a 360 radiator and only use 2 fans would the temps be a bit better or equal to just using a 240 radiator?
     
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    Hey Balthazar, what's the ballpark cha-ching on that rig? Minus monitor, 1080ti etc
     
  32. Balthazar2k4

    Balthazar2k4 CoreJizzer For Life

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    Well, I've got about ~$1700 in the processor, motherboard, ram, and cooler. Probably $3600 with everything minus monitor, keyboard, and mouse.
     
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  33. Balthazar2k4

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    Quick update on the Enermax Liqtech 360 TR4 cooler. I have my machine OC'ed to 4GHz and I ran Prime95 Small FFT for 15 minutes just to get an idea as I have other things I actually need to be doing on a Saturday morning. The cooler leveled out around 80c and the machine was 100% stable at 1.325v. It is important to note that I am NOT running the Enermax fans, but a set of Corsair HD120 RGB. The Enermax most likely offer improved cooling performance, but I am satisfied with the Corsair at this point. I am able to run my machine at 4GHz with little concern now and that's all I wanted. I am guessing it would have climbed higher had it been given more time, but let's face it does one really ever run a load as stressful as Prime95 on a daily basis? I have been running HEVC encodes via Handbrake two at a time since I built the machine. This pretty much swamps the cores and actually gets something done I need done. Frankly, for $150 the Enermax cooler is a great value in my book.
     
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  34. Kyle_Bennett

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    Prime95 will pull considerably more wattage through the CPU than two instances of HandBrake.
     
  35. Balthazar2k4

    Balthazar2k4 CoreJizzer For Life

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    About 70 watts more according to HWmonitor. I saw peaks of 330w with Prime95 SFFT vs ~260 watts with two Handbrake instances. This translated into about a +7c increase in temps with Prime95 vs Handbrake.
     
  36. Kyle_Bennett

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    With voltages that I have been using for 4GHz/3200MHz and getting it stable for an hour with Prime95 SFFT I was pulling 478W at the wall. I also started using Seasonic Titanium efficiency PSUs. My old PSUs were showing 530W.
     
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  37. Kyle_Bennett

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    Getting really good mates with the latest method of installing the TIM.

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  38. Balthazar2k4

    Balthazar2k4 CoreJizzer For Life

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    That's obviously more than just the processor. I am using 1.325v Vcore to achieve a 'stable' 4GHz. I am running my Dominator 3000 memory at 3200 with somewhat relaxed C16 timings. I have everything else on the board set to auto. The MSI board has really been fantastic with the latest beta BIOS. My ultimate point in the previous update on the Liqtech 360 TR4 is that it is capable of achieving 4GHz for daily driving.
     
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  39. Kyle_Bennett

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    CPU Package wattage at the one hour mark was 366W.