AMD Second-Generation Ryzen “Pinnacle Ridge” Confirmed to Support AM4

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  1. Megalith

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    In an interview with Overclockers UK, AMD’s James Prior mentioned that its second-generation Ryzen desktop processors will support the existing AM4 socket: current Ryzen platform users will be able to seamlessly upgrade to the new processors with a BIOS update. The company plans to keep AM4 its mainstream-desktop processor socket until 2020, which means at least another two to three generations of processors for it.
     
  2. Nallexi

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    Good Guy AMD doesn't force a socket change when it's unneeded
     
  3. STrAYeR

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    I will likely wait til the third generation. No problems with the one I have now. When that changes the CPU will also.
     
  4. LurkerLito

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    I hope the same can be said about the TR4 socket :)
     
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    I am hoping the board makers finally add a X370 mATX mobo to their lineup.

    The existing B350 mATX mobos are all cheap designs, with cheap VRM designs and without the possibility of mGPU in 4 slots.
     
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    What about the on die or on package RAM? Doubt old boards will support that.
     
  7. sirmonkey1985

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    there's no reason for them to change the sockets for TR and epyc, since the core count increase is just them adding cores to the die. doing so doesn't force them to change the pin layout.. also there's nothing coming before 2020 that would make changing from quad and octo channel DDR4 worth it.

    it doesn't make sense to use it on the desktop side.. that fits more into the mobile platforms which tend to have much lower system memory speeds/performance.

    yeah, it's going to all depend on clock speeds and whether or not there's a justifiable IPC performance increase.. i already have another use for this 1600 if i do end up replacing it so at least it won't be money wasted.
     
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  8. Meeho

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    Has there been confirmation for TR4 longevity?
     
  9. BloodyIron

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    I'm so fucking sick of Intel changing sockets every. Fucking. New. Generation. Fucking sick of their milking of the public.
     
  10. Chebsy

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    Good news about the TR4 socket for Ryzen 2. Does anybody know what the changes will be from Ryzen 1 ? Hopefully better IPC and higher clocks :):) Come on AMD, give us what we want !!
     
  11. MacLeod

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    This has been official for a little while now and was the tipping point for me going with Ryzen over an i5 for my new rig....plus I'm kind of an AMD fanboy. My 1600x seems to be a golden chip and is running smooth at 4.0 with just a slight voltage tweak so don't know if I'll be moving on from it as soon as I thought. This is my 2nd golden chip in a row and I'm sure I won't be lucky enough to get a third.
     
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    The big question here is WILL the manufacturer of your motherboard offer a BIOS up-date to support the new CPU. I'm betting a lot will not. Instead requiring you to buy a new Rev # of what you have that does. Cant wait to see what Pinnacle Ridge has to offer in performance enhancement over current Ryzen, exciting times for AMD once again.
     
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    It's even better when they use the same socket but work the old hoopa joop to make sure you don't go thinking you can just stick your hardware in any ol' hole.
     
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    I assumed this was a given being every AM4 board has video outputs but no iGPU. If they didn't already plan for this they wouldn't have waste the $ putting them on the board.
     
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    Good luck having most MB makers release a bios to support the new CPUs. Cause you know MB makers don't like to make money and all.
     
  16. motqalden

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    Not really sure why people are complaing about intel changing sockets . Most people only upgrage cpu every 3 to 4 years. Would you really want to stick a new intel chip in an older board with pcix 2.0 and ddr3? I just got an ryzen 7 but i highly doubt i will be getting "ryzen 2" and sticking it in the same board. I understand that some people upgrade more frequently but those that do mostly are not just buying a new cpu...
     
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    Good news. I'd like to hear more about what Ryzen v2 has in store though.
     
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  18. Meeho

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    Yes. I can live with 10% less performance for $500 less. Oh, wait, I can buy top of the line GPU instead. Or 8 more threads. Or...
     
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    I swear, that AMD allready stated the AM4 socket was gonna work on the refresh CPU, when they announced the AM4 socket.
     
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    So if you can shrug off 10% performance then why would you be putting a new cpu in your system in the first place since you likely will not be getting more than that by upgrading your cpu on the same socket. More threads sounds good but if you want more threads from intel you have to wait 10+ years anyways :D
     
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    Hope either 2600x or 2700x can hit 4.5 on air and better memory controller can go up to 4000mhz if possible , I am saving up for this cross fingers.
     
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    yes they have already started releasing bios to better support RR and next gen processors.. this doesn't mean they won't be releasing new chipsets though.. along with the ryzen refresh they'll be releasing the 4x0 series chipset which i really hope means they'll be replacing the PCIe 2.0 PCH support with PCIe 3.0 PCH that intel has already been using for a while now.
     
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    I'll bite, on launch, for Zen2 if the aggregate performance (CS + IPC gains) are 30% higher than a 4ghz Zen1, at the original Zen1 price point.
     
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    If the X370 chipset wasn't so bad, I would like this. The problem is that the processor will advance while the motherboards will lag behind, and they already started behind.
     
  25. dgingeri

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    From what I've read: drop to 7nm manufacturing process, increase in IPC by about 10%, increase in clock rate by about 15% (default clock to about 4.3-4.4GHZ, with overclocking to about 4.6GHz estimated), decreased latency in L2 and L3 cache, possible PCIe 4.0 support.
     
  26. Master_shake_

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    How so?

    seriously x370 vs z370

    what is x370 missing?
     
  27. ThatsAgood1jay

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    Just got my 1700x up and running. Good to know that my investment in a quality motherboard will pay off later down the line when a hotter chip is available.
     
  28. cyberguyz

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    X370 - 1x M.2 Gen3 x4 (32Gb/s) with Ryzen Series CPU, Gen2 x4 with AMD A-series CPU
    24 PCIe gen3 lanes (cpu 1x 16x + 4x for M.2 + 4x for chipset/cpu link)
    8 PCIe gen2 (chipset)

    Total PCIe gen3 lanes = 24

    Z370 - 2x M.2 Gen3 x4 (32Gb/s)
    24 PCIe gen3 lanes (chipset)
    16 PCIe gen3 lanes (cpu - dedicated 1x 16x or 2x 8x)

    Total PCIe gen 3 lanes = 40

    The AMD X370 + Ryzen is definitely lacking in the Gen3 PCIe lanes department. That means while Intel can handle 2z M.2 drives at full 4x Gen3 PCIe speed, AMD can only handle one. I don't know if the Ryzen 2 CPUs will provide more PCIe Gen3 lanes, but I have my doubts until AMD puts out a new socket to handle expanded PCIe support.

    On a positive note I like seeing that AMD is sticking to its guns with its AM4 socket. I hope the TR4 socket has a similar longevity.
     
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  29. jardows

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    There may be a new chipset come out with R2, so it may be worth it to wait if you can. Just like AMD's 760 supports all AM3+ cpu's, but the 990 has much improved features. Get what you need now, if you can afford it. Something better is always on the way.
     
  30. Space_Ranger

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    So you're looking for a minor improvement?? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
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    I'll bite. Basically I'm asking for a Zen 5ghz equivalent. We know that AMD IPC is still lacking, so this is effectively a ~4.3 KL/CL?

    Although realistically, I'd seriously rack my brains if something over "4.5" appears; since I'm not comfortable running my CPU over 3.8ghz, a "700mhz" is still friggan huge.
     
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    That's more of what I'm expecting with Zen2. Get the clocks up to 4.5Ghz and some IPC improvements. I've already got Zen1, and I'm a happy camper with my system overall. If I can get away with just replacing the CPU for a 700Mhz increase in performance I'd be thrilled (my 1700 is running at 3.8 right now).
     
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    Yeah, I'm very happy with my 1600x system (thanks again Kyle!!). Haven't really tried overclocking it much yet.

    That's one of the things I've always like about AMD is that didn't force socket changes like Intel seems to do.
     
  34. Rauelius

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    Here's somthing totally made up and not true in any way what so ever.

    - Ryzen 3 2420x - 3.4Ghz/3.8Ghz Boost, 4 Cores No SMT - Price: $99 - Sept.
    - Ryzen 3 2430x - 3.9Ghz/4.1Ghz Boost, 4 Cores No SMT - Price $129 - Sept.
    - Ryzen 3 2550x - 3.6Ghz/3.9Ghz Boost, 4 Cores / 8 Threads - Price $149 - Aug.
    - Ryzen 3 2570x - 4.0Ghz/4.2Ghz Boost, 4 Cores / 8 Threads - Price $179 - Aug
    - Ryzen 3 2590x - 4.3Ghz/4.6Ghz Boost, 4 Cores / 8 Threads - Price $199 - Aug

    - Ryzen 5 2630x - 3.5Ghz/3.9Ghz Boost, 6 Cores/ No SMT - Price $209 - May
    - Ryzen 5 2650x - 3.8Ghz/4.0Ghz Boost, 6 Cores/ 12 Threads - Price $239 - April
    - Ryzen 5 2670x - 4.2Ghz/4.4Ghz Boost, 6 Cores/ 12 Threads - Price $279 - April
    - Ryzen 5 2690x - 4.4Ghz/4.7Ghz Boost, 6 Cores/ 12 Threads - Price $329 - April

    - Ryzen 7 2730x - 3.5Ghz/4.0Ghz Boost, 8 Cores/ No SMT - Price $379 - March
    - Ryzen 7 2750x - 3.6Ghz/4.1Ghz Boost, 8 Cores/ 16 Threads - Price $459 - Feb
    - Ryzen 7 2770x - 4.0Ghz/4.3Ghz Boost, 8 Cores/ 16 Threads - Price $529 - Feb
    - Ryzen 7 2790x - 4.4Ghz/4.8Ghz Boost, 8 Cores/ 16 Threads - Price $599 - Jan

    - Ryzen TR 2930x - 4.0Ghz/4.5Ghz Boost, 10 Cores/ 20 Threads - Price $699 - July
    - Ryzen TR 2950x - 3.8Ghz/4.2Ghz Boost, 12 Cores/ 24 Threads - Price $849 - July
    - Ryzen TR 2970x - 3.7Ghz/4.1Ghz Boost, 16 Cores/ 32 Threads - Price $999 - July
    - Ryzen TR 2990x - 3.6Ghz/4.0Ghz Boost, 24 Cores/ 48 Threads - Price $1499 - June
     
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  35. Master_shake_

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    uh intel says max pci-e lanes on z370 is 24.

    https://ark.intel.com/products/125903/Intel-Z370-Chipset

    which is not 40.

    your mistake is that you think the 24 chipset and 16 on the cpu are added together.

    this is a common mistake.

    the link between the chipset and cpu is a bottle neck 4 lanes i think so if you populate everything you'll be down and limping in no time
     
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    24 from chipset + 16 from CPU = 40 total lanes

    However, the link between the CPU and the chipset is only as much bandwidth as a PCIe 3.0 x4 slot, so that is bottlenecked.

    Oh, and there is another error in the X370 calculations:

    Ryzen CPU has 24 lanes total, 4 used for the chipset, 16 for a graphics card, and 4 more than can be used as either 2 extra SATA ports and 2 PCIe 3.0 lanes or as 4 PCIe 3.0 lanes

    The x370 chipset has 8 PCIe 2.0 lanes, but takes 4 from the CPU.

    Technically, the Ryzen platform has 28 total usable lanes, but 32 lanes total. However, 8 of those lanes are only 2.0.
     
  37. Master_shake_

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    [​IMG]

    how many lanes is this then?

    i count 24.

    actually around 40 too.,
     
  38. dgingeri

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    I see 28 usable lanes there: 16 for graphics, 4 for m.2, and 8 from the chipset.

    However, I do see an inaccuracy in this diagram: the USB 3.1 gen 2 ports come from the CPU, not the chipset.
     
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    I will upgrade from haswell when I can replace my 32G ddr3 ram at a reasonble price (eg: not $400)
     
  40. dgingeri

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    This sounds nice, but I wonder if they'll have this many SKUs. It seems like a bit much for AMD. They only had 11 SKUs for the initial Ryzen lineup. Why would they go for 17 for this update?