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R.I.P Intel.
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Yeah when you destroy the competition so bad you can play it conservative and let the results speak for themselves and everyone will be even more surprised/impressedI applaud the AMD for taking the "at least" instead of "up to" route. Impressive showing today. Well done!
Who cares if you can't buy the product. B&H told me they won't have any stock for 3 WEEKS ! Seriously F'k these Tech companies!
I think it will be alot soon with B&H's Pre-order than 3 months. Will probably have it by the end of the month.Remember when it took 3 months to get reliable stock in fir the 3900x?
I would expect the same wait this time around.
I'm also surprised that AMD is launching the 5950x with the rest of the lineup (guess 8-core yields are higheh enough?)
mhz/ipc, threads are maxed on the 5600 for games. Similar to the 3600, target chip for gamers only at the current moment.That 5800X result seems out of place... that the 5600X slightly beats it :/
/running 2700X+X470 and thinking about a 2021 upgrade
If that's absolutely all you do: Do you play Warzone at high refresh rates? Do you have trouble maintaining a constant high refresh? Which GPU do you have?hmmm still undecided - I currently have a 3950x and only play games (actually just Warzone), would moving to a 5900x be a worthwhile upgrade?
I would probably save my money for Zen4. Maybe if this stuff was actually in stock you could maybe flip it for a 5950X with out too much cost to upgrade?hmmm still undecided - I currently have a 3950x and only play games (actually just Warzone), would moving to a 5900x be a worthwhile upgrade?
Shots fired!Taco still like intel. The trouble-free performance sailing just cnt be beat. Intel ftw. It just works.
intel will raise through the smokescreen nd dominate with ultimate power.
Pretty Ultimately Toasty300W CPU says what?
AdoredTV's review: https://adoredtv.com/amd-ryzen-5000-analysis-failing-to-live-up-to-the-hype/9900k is a no brainers, mate. That thing is brilliant for the price nd overclockers like a dream! Besides, taco is an owner of intel nd never any issues! Fantastic proposition.
Agreed, an Axe can't chop a tree down just as good as a chainsaw.Taco still like intel. The trouble-free performance sailing just cnt be beat. Intel ftw. It just works.
He is but hurt because he didn't get a review sample.
I kind of lost all respect when he tried to call the guys over at hardware unboxed racists and terrible reviewers.He is but hurt because he didn't get a review sample.
Thanks fellas, understand I'm aware of why testing at 1080p is done.........my issue was the fact that all of the "known news sources" for this release kinda wasted our collective time by including "WOW OMG!" thumbnails and then telling us shit we expected......"Ryzen is finally beating Intel at gaming.......".
But gaming at 1080p is the only thing they focused on (I KNOW)...to stress the impact of the CPU. Thing is you've been able to game....at 1080p...for a decade or so on chips you can buy for $50 bucks.
R.I.P Intel.
This makes me feel better. They are undoubtedly better known than we are at TheFPSReview and it also confirms what I thought. Availability of samples wasn't that great and we aren't the only ones who didn't get sampled in a timely manner. Unfortunately, bad availability will significantly delay any review of the 5900X and 5950X CPU's. That makes me sad.
Yup - it's literally the only thing I use my computer for. I have mini itx setup running nvlink 2080tis. 3090 will be here tomorrow though! Gaming on 1440p at 144 maxed out. no issues with refresh at all.If that's absolutely all you do: Do you play Warzone at high refresh rates? Do you have trouble maintaining a constant high refresh? Which GPU do you have?
It's going to take Intel 2 maybe 3 years to catch up to AMD with their own chiplet design as that seems to be way things are going. That being said the 10900K is in stock and the 5900x or 5950x is not and is still comparable in gaming performance while being cheaper. Not having available stock is killing AMD and Nvidia !While true, there is a select group of gamers that prefer gaming at 240Hz or whatever. 360Hz monitors are starting to appear. Granted, I think the opinion of competitive gamers is utterly worthless, its still a valid metric. Also keep in mind that there is some scaling in the sense that a CPU that sucks at 1080P is also not as good at 4K gaming. While averages may appear similar, I've tested this many times and found worse frame times and much worse minimum frame rates. Even in traditionally GPU bound scenarios there is value to having a better CPU.
Yeah, everyone wants to say this but the reality is that Intel is considerably larger than AMD and still sells a lot of product. While enthusiasts perceive this as some sort of death knell for Intel, it isn't. Intel is certainly in a bad place in terms of product perception but Intel has been in a similar position before and worked their way out of it. You can never count Intel out. They are paying for their decade of complacency, yes. But, Intel has also made bad gambles and lived with those consequences only to pull a Core 2 out of the hat which similarly put AMD behind for a solid decade.
This makes me feel better. They are undoubtedly better known than we are at TheFPSReview and it also confirms what I thought. Availability of samples wasn't that great and we aren't the only ones who didn't get sampled in a timely manner. Unfortunately, bad availability will significantly delay any review of the 5900X and 5950X CPU's. That makes me sad.
well then I don't see a point in further upgrades!Yup - it's literally the only thing I use my computer for. I have mini itx setup running nvlink 2080tis. 3090 will be here tomorrow though! Gaming on 1440p at 144 maxed out. no issues with refresh at all.
Anyone know how a 5950X will operate for a game that utilizes 8 cores? Will it stick to using 1 CCX (8 cores) with 32MB of cache or will it operate using both CCX with 4+4 cores so that it has access to 2x32MB of cache? I’m thinking it would prioritize the latter for the larger cache over whatever reduced latency there is in sticking to a single CCX.
Intel will always find a way to pull a rabbit, but maybe the rabbit needs more time to grow.Yeah, everyone wants to say this but the reality is that Intel is considerably larger than AMD and still sells a lot of product. While enthusiasts perceive this as some sort of death knell for Intel, it isn't. Intel is certainly in a bad place in terms of product perception but Intel has been in a similar position before and worked their way out of it. You can never count Intel out. They are paying for their decade of complacency, yes. But, Intel has also made bad gambles and lived with those consequences only to pull a Core 2 out of the hat which similarly put AMD behind for a solid decade.
The answer to this is quite simple, AMD bought ATI before Intel had a chance to.You have to ask yourself, if Intel is so big, why aren't they powering the next generation consoles? That's where the money is. Answer is, they aren't innovating fast enough, unlike AMD. Zen 3 I think will be AMD's "Core 2 Duo/Quad".
I can see that. Much like Nvidia's purchase of 3DFX which paved the way for Geforce & T&L.The answer to this is quite simple, AMD bought ATI before Intel had a chance to.
Not really the same, Nvidia already had fundamental GPU tech AMD didn't. AMD gets a whole lot of crap for over paying for ATI, yes they did but long term it was a great acquisition. IIRC Intel paid more for McAfee than AMD did for ATI.I can see that. Much like Nvidia's purchase of 3DFX which paved the way for Geforce & T&L.
I would thought that was very low margin than the server-datacenter / laptop market where if not most of the money is, that would be where the profit would be.You have to ask yourself, if Intel is so big, why aren't they powering the next generation consoles? That's where the money is. Answer is, they aren't innovating fast enough, unlike AMD. Zen 3 I think will be AMD's "Core 2 Duo/Quad".
While true, there is a select group of gamers that prefer gaming at 240Hz or whatever. 360Hz monitors are starting to appear. Granted, I think the opinion of competitive gamers is utterly worthless, its still a valid metric. Also keep in mind that there is some scaling in the sense that a CPU that sucks at 1080P is also not as good at 4K gaming. While averages may appear similar, I've tested this many times and found worse frame times and much worse minimum frame rates. Even in traditionally GPU bound scenarios there is value to having a better CPU.
Yeah, everyone wants to say this but the reality is that Intel is considerably larger than AMD and still sells a lot of product. While enthusiasts perceive this as some sort of death knell for Intel, it isn't. Intel is certainly in a bad place in terms of product perception but Intel has been in a similar position before and worked their way out of it. You can never count Intel out. They are paying for their decade of complacency, yes. But, Intel has also made bad gambles and lived with those consequences only to pull a Core 2 out of the hat which similarly put AMD behind for a solid decade.
This makes me feel better. They are undoubtedly better known than we are at TheFPSReview and it also confirms what I thought. Availability of samples wasn't that great and we aren't the only ones who didn't get sampled in a timely manner. Unfortunately, bad availability will significantly delay any review of the 5900X and 5950X CPU's. That makes me sad.
"Ryzen 5000 isn’t bad"
My guess is the profit margins on consoles is too little for Intel to care about.Intel will always find a way to pull a rabbit, but maybe the rabbit needs more time to grow.
You have to ask yourself, if Intel is so big, why aren't they powering the next generation consoles? That's where the money is. Answer is, they aren't innovating fast enough, unlike AMD. Zen 3 I think will be AMD's "Core 2 Duo/Quad".
"Ryzen 5000 isn’t bad"
Is this the understatement of the decade?
Intel APUs were never powerful enough for console. Consoles need an APU to be cost effective.My guess is the profit margins on consoles is too little for Intel to care about.
Well that didn't stop them from ranting about how it didn't meet their expectations.Well its not like they had one anyways to actually review..
"Unfortunately, due to a lack of supply, we were not able to secure any Ryzen 5000 CPU"
at 4k your video card is the bottleneck and the 9800x is able to feed the 3090 fine.Would there be any benefit to moving to 5800X from [email protected] if the GPU is a 3090 and it's a pure gaming system running 4k120?