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...Many miners are stupid and fried their cards.
You mean high heat of 110C to 130C damages the silicon?!?!! Not according to AMD...
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...Many miners are stupid and fried their cards.
AMD has years of experience with hot chips
Not sure where you got 130C, but 110C as a *junction* or *hot spot* temperature should not damage the silicon. This is what AMD is saying, and have been confirmed by several other people, including Steve from GN.You mean high heat of 110C to 130C damages the silicon?!?!! Not according to AMD...
Not sure where you got 130C, but 110C as a *junction* or *hot spot* temperature should not damage the silicon. This is what AMD is saying, and have been confirmed by several other people, including Steve from GN.
You have to expect that the hot spot temp may be 20C or even 30C above the edge temperature. So when you see 110C (if it ever even got that high) this really is 80C or 90C of edge temp (which is what Nvidia reports, or AMD pre-Vega).
Beyond all that, I ran FurMark for 5 minutes on stress test and my 5700 XT didn't even break 100C (actually 99C max), which is fine. The fan wasn't even running that loud either.
Yeah, I agree. I think mining, in bad conditions, can certainly damage cards.
Maybe not the silicon, but other components, as Steve mentions, I can believe.
In the case of mining, though, I think it had more to do with the situation they were in, e.g. overclocking, inadequate cooling, bad air flow, etc. and not just that the cards got hot under normal operating conditions.
Well, gamers aren't running their GPUs at 100% load 24/7 for months at a time. Surely that has to do with it.I'd trust a miners card much more than a gamers card that was stuffed into a dusty mini ITX case with a zero rpm fan profile that's for sure
Serious miners run their cards open air undervolted and as cool as possible
I'd trust a miners card much more than a gamers card that was stuffed into a dusty mini ITX case with a zero rpm fan profile that's for sure
I just got my loop up and running after leak testing it over the weekend...I ran the Handbrake stalibity test using 16 threads and as much memory as it could use along with the CPUID PowerMax GPU test for 5 hours this morning....
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3700X was running around 65C by the end of the test while my 5700xt was running at 2125Mhz (all stock settings in Wattman including 0% extra power) with the GPU temp leveling out at 47C with a T junction temp of 84C...This is about as stressful as you can get, and will far exceed any kind of gaming load...
I realize this is only semi relavant to the thread, but it at least highlights how great WC'ing is, and that we should be seeing more cards come with WC'ing as a stock option ala 295x2/and the various Nvidia partner hybrid cards...I do have to say the 50th AV ED backplate looks lovely with the EK block...I had to do some hunting for some screws with enough length but found some that allowed me to place a 1mm thick thermal pad on the back of the VRM area of the PCB since AMD did not feel it was necessary to ship it that way from the factory....Ignore the FragHarder Disco Lights, I had forgotten to turn them off at first boot. And the fill tube on my res:
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Your post brings me back to the 290x when people chanted the same thing about 95C on the die. "AMD knows what they're doing" kind of posts. Some of us were skeptical noting physics and other components on the card. Then the card failed at ~3x the rate of any other card at the time...
This is a little different situation but I don't ever go by "AMD knows what they are doing" argument since we've seen them completely maul launches over and over.
I addressed this before and you ignored my post. The failures weren't down to the heat. The 290 cards were perfectly capable of running at 95 degrees. If you want me to link to my previous response to this, I will.
Regardless, AMD has mauled enough other things I still am surprised people take their claims blindly. That applies to any corporation to be honest.
Excellent. I see you also went with a Seasonic Power Supply, which are high quality.
Their history of execution of products should lend caution to their customers, for sure- even when those products are knockouts.
Triple this for nvidia.
Ask apple, or more recently the initial 2000s owners.
Triple this for nvidia.
Ask apple, or more recently the initial 2000s owners.
Not really.
You can name specific incidents to fuel your whataboutism, when in comparison, it's hard to name AMD products that did not have notable issues upon release. The difference is exceedinly stark.
BBBBBuuuutttt, we are not talking about Nvidia, we are talking about AMDDDDDDDDD. I have three AMD machines, zero serious issues and the images look sharp and clean. Nothing is overheating or causing 110C of heat, anywhere.
Not really.
You can name specific incidents to fuel your whataboutism, when in comparison, it's hard to name AMD products that did not have notable issues upon release. The difference is exceedinly stark.
No, you are digging unsubstantiated rumors from an unconfirmed old source, while the newer problems were seen even by Kyle here so suck it, this time it's actually apples to apples.
Edit :heck the 2000s problem was big enough for nvidia to make a public announcement, or you forgot that one part intentionally? Tit for tat.
Edit2: https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/...tx-2080-ti-gpus-are-defective-promises-remedy
August 2018 confirmed is more relevant than a rumor, since it was never actually confirmed, about a card from November 2013 since we are in 2019. (and prior to that we had the apple lawsuit indeed so again in proven history, team Green has been more factually problematic)
Their history of execution of products should lend caution to their customers, for sure- even when those products are knockouts.
Triple this for nvidia.
Ask apple, or more recently the initial 2000s owners.
Not really.
You can name specific incidents to fuel your whataboutism, when in comparison, it's hard to name AMD products that did not have notable issues upon release. The difference is exceedingly stark.
No, you are digging unsubstantiated rumors from an unconfirmed old source, while the newer problems were seen even by Kyle here so suck it, this time it's actually apples to apples.
Edit :heck the 2000s problem was big enough for nvidia to make a public announcement, or you forgot that one part intentionally? Tit for tat.
Edit2: https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/...tx-2080-ti-gpus-are-defective-promises-remedy
August 2018 confirmed is more relevant than a rumor, since it was never actually confirmed, about a card from November 2013 since we are in 2019. (and prior to that we had the apple lawsuit indeed so again in proven history, team Green has been more factually problematic)
He's talking about AMD.
Note: In this reply he wasn't ignoring or disputing the initial issues that the 20xx cards had.
Old issues with AMD unsubstantiated and unconfirmed? go back 10 years and read AMD related news and forum posts..
Your edits are pointless, IdiotinCharge never said there were no issues with the release of 20xx's... to which we have never had official failure numbers, not any that I have seen anyway.
So, how many dead cards or major issues that resulted in across the board rma's have you seen for the 5700 series yet? Oh, and the person you quoted is correct, there was no substantiation to the claim of 3 times the failure rate, if that is what he is referring too.
You mean high heat of 110C to 130C damages the silicon?!?!! Not according to AMD...
Serious miners run their cards open air undervolted and as cool as possible
I'd trust a miners card much more than a gamers card that was stuffed into a dusty mini ITX case with a zero rpm fan profile that's for sure
Running the card 24/7 at constant load is better than stressing it daily through thermal cycling. And miners (unlike many gamers) indeed care about perf/W, not maximum performance, except if they are stealing electricity somewhere.Well, gamers aren't running their GPUs at 100% load 24/7 for months at a time. Surely that has to do with it.
The melting point of silicon is 1400c
I'm not worried about 100c.
Yeah my reply was more of an obvious?sarcasm.
The melting point of silicon is 1400c
I'm not worried about 100c.
I know, I just tried doing a higher overclock with my Sapphire RX 5700, ended up with an edge temp of 101C and did not once think, oh know, I have killed my GPU! I did get some occasional screen flashing though, so the GPU was not stable at those speeds.
Yeah one time my wattman profile defaulted to some awful flat non curve setting and my xt hit 107c or something like that. If you can handle the noise then a custom fan profile will keep temps in 70s.
I know all that.
I was responding to a comment about AMD cards having triple the failure rate, to which the poster stated "yeah some miners are stupid and fried their cards"... an ironic statement as AMD and the Apologists are all saying "It's fine to run hot"...
The logical posters have been saying "the hotter you run it, the faster it will die", as evidenced by the triple failure rate observation.
Silicone hot spot temp, and blowing up VRM's due to bad mining practices are different.
I am going to guess you haven't run a scaled out mining farm have you?
So, how many dead cards or major issues that resulted in across the board rma's have you seen for the 5700 series yet? Oh, and the person you quoted is correct, there was no substantiation to the claim of 3 times the failure rate, if that is what he is referring too.
The melting point of silicon is 1400c
I'm not worried about 100c.
It may not 'melt', but the fine nanometer scale transistors are still damaged. Many overclockers have "fried" their CPU's, and it did not take 1400C to do it....
Why do you think AMD throttles it at 110C Tjunction?
I just got my loop up and running after leak testing it over the weekend...I ran the Handbrake stalibity test using 16 threads and as much memory as it could use along with the CPUID PowerMax GPU test for 5 hours this morning....
M
3700X was running around 65C by the end of the test while my 5700xt was running at 2125Mhz (all stock settings in Wattman including 0% extra power) with the GPU temp leveling out at 47C with a T junction temp of 84C...This is about as stressful as you can get, and will far exceed any kind of gaming load...
I realize this is only semi relavant to the thread, but it at least highlights how great WC'ing is, and that we should be seeing more cards come with WC'ing as a stock option ala 295x2/and the various Nvidia partner hybrid cards...I do have to say the 50th AV ED backplate looks lovely with the EK block...I had to do some hunting for some screws with enough length but found some that allowed me to place a 1mm thick thermal pad on the back of the VRM area of the PCB since AMD did not feel it was necessary to ship it that way from the factory....Ignore the FragHarder Disco Lights, I had forgotten to turn them off at first boot. And the fill tube on my res:
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It may not 'melt', but the fine nanometer scale transistors are still damaged. Many overclockers have "fried" their CPU's, and it did not take 1400C to do it....
Why do you think AMD throttles it at 110C Tjunction?