AMD Radeon RX 7600 to launch with $269/€299 MSRP

ZeroBarrier said:
Keep people honest and call bullshit out.
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Yeah you're not doing that here. If you don't understand that pricing affects decisions then you're just butt hurt. I literally said multiple times that 8 GB isn't enough. Never said that it was enough at $279. What you and the rest of the Nvidia clan were arguing was that 8 gigabytes was enough and that there wasn't a problem at all.
 
daglesj said:
What about an 8GB card with a wide bus?

Maybe go back to the days of when I could literally plug an extra 2MB of vram onto my Matrox Mystique...
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Being able to customize cards would take away too much power from AMD and Nvidia for their liking.

Ranulfo said:
Not really. They have FSR but I don't count software trickery, the "digital viagra" as one person called it last week from any of these companies. Then it just means you're paying more money for a card that renders at 720p and upscales it to 1080p etc..
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Agreed. It amazes me how some people have convinced themselves that there are no downsides to using DLSS or FSR.
 
Prince Valiant said:
Agreed. It amazes me how some people have convinced themselves that there are no downsides to using DLSS or FSR.
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Best part is they argue how great it is that they turned there PC into how a console works by upscaling the image. Then rip on the console for being weak and needing to upscale....

I mean its nice if you need to do that to get playable frame rates but otherwise I see no reason to degrade image quality and introduce artifacts into the render.
 
Reviews are in:
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/radeon-rx-7600-review,1.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7600/

Gideon said:
Best part is they argue how great it is that they turned there PC into how a console works by upscaling the image. Then rip on the console for being weak and needing to upscale....

I mean its nice if you need to do that to get playable frame rates but otherwise I see no reason to degrade image quality and introduce artifacts into the render.
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I'm of the mind that it's time for an upgrade if I need to run at resolution below native. I could see how someone might tolerate upscaling as a stopgap but, nothing else and I'd sooner lower other settings.
 
ZeroBarrier said:
Oh, trust me. I'm not debating that. I firmly believe that the 4060 ti at $250 would have sold like gang busters. And the 7600 at $269 if the actual MSRP will surely sell like gang busters too. I firmly believe that this current price 8GB is fine especially for 1080p gaming.
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There was a comment in another thread from another [H] user that gave a good summary; Nvidia doesn't really want to sell 4060/4060ti's... they want to sell 4080's and 4090's.. They can afford to whether the storm and backlash of these shit skus like the 4060.. when they have the higher tiers available, that so many sheep will lube up.. line up.. and buy, while being blindfolded and so oblivious to how bad they are getting ass reamed
 
FrgMstr said:
No and yes. X060 and X090 cards account for 35% of NV's gaming GPU revenue. NV cares more about shipping X060 cards than you think.
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Good info..... (y)

Has that been the same or similar range, from all cycles.. 1060->2060->3060->4060?
 
FrgMstr said:
No and yes. X060 and X090 cards account for 35% of NV's gaming GPU revenue. NV cares more about shipping X060 cards than you think.
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I am just not convinced that is still true as the node they are on at TSMC is expensive, I agree it used to be there better selling product. But considering they can sell the silicon for far more for AI uses these days, I am just not sure the lower end of the consumer market is a big focus for them now.
 
Gideon said:
I am just not convinced that is still true as the node they are on at TSMC is expensive, I agree it used to be there better selling product. But considering they can sell the silicon for far more for AI uses these days, I am just not sure the lower end of the consumer market is a big focus for them now.
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OK.
 
FrgMstr said:
No and yes. X060 and X090 cards account for 35% of NV's gaming GPU revenue. NV cares more about shipping X060 cards than you think.
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They just figured they could slot in near identical performance, and still sell well. At the same time they also figured they could afford to drop their costs a bit and make more margin.
The infuriating part is.... it seems they aren't wrong. lol
Based on the price I wasn't expecting much from AMD, but even still this seems a bit disappointing. I guess snatch up the last gen deals while you can find them. Looks like we are in for a stretch of nothing interesting at all until you spend over a grand.
 
Gideon said:
I am just not convinced that is still true as the node they are on at TSMC is expensive, I agree it used to be there better selling product. But considering they can sell the silicon for far more for AI uses these days, I am just not sure the lower end of the consumer market is a big focus for them now.
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Watch the tear down video GN did. Those Nvidia dies are insy witsy. Even if the node is expensive they are getting a lot of dies on a wafer. Assuming the reject rate isn't sky high anyway. I am pretty confident they increased their margins.
 
Marees said:
Imo, a $240 or less card (price of original 8gb polaris)

Will make a good $200 card (price of 4gb polaris)
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I think it should be closer to the latter. If they continue to adjust prices downward it's a step in the right direction at least.
 
ChadD said:
They just figured they could slot in near identical performance, and still sell well. At the same time they also figured they could afford to drop their costs a bit and make more margin.
The infuriating part is.... it seems they aren't wrong. lol
Based on the price I wasn't expecting much from AMD, but even still this seems a bit disappointing. I guess snatch up the last gen deals while you can find them. Looks like we are in for a stretch of nothing interesting at all until you spend over a grand.
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The latest data we have from NVIDIA shows that their net margins are continuing to decline, hitting its lowest point in nearly 7 years.

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Armenius said:
The latest data we have from NVIDIA shows that their net margins are continuing to decline, hitting its lowest point in nearly 7 years.

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That is company wide. I don't believe that relates to the 4060. If anything I would think the 4060 was part of a plan to bump that back up. lol
 
(sung to All By Myself)

♫ Competing against myself... I'm just competing against myself... ♫

https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7600-linux

As I feared, while there's plenty of Nvidia hate, the parts that are outside of their pricing, if applied to AMD... well, perhaps worse. IMHO, fewer features, and you can do better with even "new" that's still out there AMD wise (sigh).

As a Linux user, pretty happy with my RX 5700 XT.
 
Well, the last minute price drop from $300 basically guarantees that the RTX 4060 will beat AMDs 7600. With no DLSS 3 and weaker RT, AMD really had no choice.

So, defiantly worth waiting one more month if you are in the $300 price range. Since bandwidth and vram capacity being the bottlenecks that they are on the 4060ti, there is a good chance that the 4060 will see less of a performance reduction than what the core count difference suggests.

For now, the AMD 7060 already has some stiff competition, namely from its own 6700 10g / 6700xt. The often forgotten Intel Arc GPUs offer some compelling deals as well.
 
OKC Yeakey Trentadue said:
For now, the AMD 7060 already has some stiff competition, namely from its own 6700 10g / 6700xt. The often forgotten Intel Arc GPUs offer some compelling deals as well.
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If you want to do that, better do it quickly. However, on the Intel side, those things will be in stock for a LONG time and prices keep dropping. Intel made a lot of ARC cards. Problem with ARC is that it is that perf is all over the place.
 
FrgMstr said:
If you want to do that, better do it quickly. However, on the Intel side, those things will be in stock for a LONG time and prices keep dropping. Intel made a lot of ARC cards. Problem with ARC is that it is that perf is all over the place.
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Yeah....Arc just needs more consistency before i'd ever consider one outside of "tinker with" territory.
 
Tech spot is slamming this. They hate both this and the 4060ti

"Just like the GeForce RTX 4060 Ti that we reviewed this week, we cannot recommend purchasing the Radeon RX 7600 at the launch price of $270. It simply doesn't do enough to warrant that asking price, especially when the same gaming experience could have been purchased for around the same cost as far back as late last year.

It's disappointing to conclude another Radeon review with a thumbs-down, primarily due to its price. Furthermore, it's almost guaranteed that this card will be available for $250 or less within a matter of months.

This seems to be AMD's new favorite tactic – ask a high price for an underwhelming product, receive mostly negative reviews that tarnish the product's reputation and the company's image, then reduce the price just months after release. This was most recently demonstrated by the Radeon 7900 XT.

As it stands, despite AMD's last-minute price adjustment, the Radeon RX 7600 is overpriced and therefore underwhelming. If you're looking for a graphics card around $300, the Radeon 6700 XT is a much better purchase, unless you specifically require AV1 encoding support. We look forward to recommending the RX 7600 in the near future, after AMD makes another price adjustment"

https://www.techspot.com/review/2686-amd-radeon-7600/
 
Not sure how less relevant a new card can be ? An other one that exactly on the nose of the market, not a movement made ?

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Exactly price per dollar than a $250 6600xt at 1440p ? Watt while gaming similar to the 6600xt, at least no multi-monitor high usage and very good idle. If someone want hardware Av1...

Better not have a good deal on a 6700xt on the same page, specially if you are on gen 3. I am not sure where TPU see 3060TI going for only $320 too, even the Zotac and no name ship from China today are $380-$390 on newegg, Asus from the USA and you go at $410 for the cheapest.
 
The problem with ARC is that it can't really do anything that isn't DX12. Intel is lucky Valve bet big on Linux or they would be very screwed.
If your a Linux user its worse... Intels Linux drivers are terrible. Intel made some odd choices with their Arch. On paper their RT implementation is probably the best of the bunch. However having to use DXVX in their driver to make anything non DX12 work in windows just leads to to much odd performance issues. Most of us still play a lot of older titles, and who wants to deal with crashing or integrated level performance in your older titles.

I want to believe Intel is still in the GPU business and that battlemage wasn't 100% complete before they saw the short comings. BM is going to live up to its abbreviation if Intel doesn't find a handful of their BEST to fix their driver situation. I know they have improved the 700 drivers a lot, but they are going to have get their drivers a lot tighter if they ever hope to be a consideration anywhere but the $200 price range.
 
I still have a 5700XT I have been very happy with, been a great card. Keeps my Linux box happy. This new 6600 is a bit faster... doing the math. It is about $40 (Canadian, about $30 USD) cheaper then I paid. A card that in Sept.. I will have owned for FOUR years.
Putting aside the NV AMD stuff. That is just pathetic AMD vs AMD. Yes the 6700 is faster and has RT... but its not much faster, and RT is a non factor at this price point.
So in four years AMD is selling basically the same performance for the same $.
 
Welcome to the new normal. Yesterday's prices are long gone. Makes no sense to even try to use those price points as comparison to performance any longer. Sucks.
 
Very interesting real world take on the 7600 and its 8GB frame buffer at 1080p, since that seems to be all the talk nowadays.



TLDW:
Doom Eternal: Ultra Nightmare settings - No issues with 8GB.
Watchdogs Legion: Ultra settings - No smoothness issues. Very High settings - No real changes in smoothness but higher framerate, but was worth it.
Returnal: Epic settings - Frametime spikes (janky). High presets - Higher framerates, much smoother frametimes. Are still some loading issues, but not memory limited, more GPU perf issues.
Hogwarts Legacy: Ultra settings - "Perfectly playable" Worked fine good fps and frametime.
The Last of Us: Ultra settings - "Looks good, runs smooth." - High settings In good shape with this game. "No issues with this game."

Conclusion quotes:
"Went better than expected and the Sapphire Pulse delivered solid performance in the games I tested, even when pushing right up against that frame buffer." "...I started all my tests at Ultra settings and the performance was acceptable in all titles. Moving to High yielded a more than satisfactory performance boost and eased the concerns of the memory capacity."

Also probably worth remembering...and maybe worth a watch.

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NightReaver said:
Come on APUs, just take over.
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Not sure we'll see that. Even with the latest from AMD there, they just broken into the "low end", but like from many, many, many, many years ago.

So... what I can see is an Intel "combo" where they provide great performance for the same price as they did with just CPU. Sure, maybe a bit more difficult to make "tiny", but with DDR5, Intel becomes the one to watch as surpassing what AMD has APU wise today. But, we'll see (think about how Intel memory controllers are vastly superior today). AMD has a bad habit of "resting" too much when things are "good" and allowing others to "stomp them". Again, not talking Nvidia blah blah, talking on your topic about APU, but maybe not totally an APU, but something APU-ish, that is a discrete-ish GPU combo that's priced competitively against true APU (that is, AMD). Intel has an opportunity to quickly shift momentum... if they want, IMHO.
 
ChadD said:
I still have a 5700XT I have been very happy with, been a great card. Keeps my Linux box happy. This new 6600 is a bit faster... doing the math. It is about $40 (Canadian, about $30 USD) cheaper then I paid. A card that in Sept.. I will have owned for FOUR years.
Putting aside the NV AMD stuff. That is just pathetic AMD vs AMD. Yes the 6700 is faster and has RT... but its not much faster, and RT is a non factor at this price point.
So in four years AMD is selling basically the same performance for the same $.
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I had a 5700xt and upgraded to 6700xt, great bump. I'm in no rush to 'upgrade' again with these so called new products
 
DooKey said:
Welcome to the new normal. Yesterday's prices are long gone. Makes no sense to even try to use those price points as comparison to performance any longer. Sucks.
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Who's doing that outside of some reviews? People here are comparing it to prices available now.

When you can get a 6750xt new for like $330, it really does call into question why these new 1080p cards even exist.

*Edit* Well at least while they're in stock.
 
FrgMstr said:
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I did find a bit strange that part the first time a saw it:


Never mention(if I did not missed it) if it runned perfectly fine without high RT like the numbers seemed to show (it is not like the 6800 was able to just stay above 40 fps (let alone an acceptable 60-70) with is 16gb with those setting anyway... so what the point)
 
NightReaver said:
Who's doing that outside of some reviews? People here are comparing it to prices available now.

When you can get a 6750xt new for like $330, it really does call into question why these new 1080p cards even exist.
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Those cards you are talking about are three year old tech and soon to be out of stock. I don't believe they are being produced anymore.

It's always easy to compare discounted old stuff to new stuff selling at MSRP. Hence my welcome to the new normal.
 
DooKey said:
Those cards you are talking about are three year old tech and soon to be out of stock. I don't believe they are being produced anymore.

It's always easy to compare discounted old stuff to new stuff selling at MSRP. Hence my welcome to the new normal.
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I agree once they're not available. Though the used market will be healthy for a while.
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