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AMD posts Barcelona benchmark numbers

Meanwhile your still talking about it.... And when it gets released, you'll still be talking about it.... This without releasing a single advertisement...... Genius....
 
Bad press is not a good thing. A lot of bad press isn't any better. It's about time you learned that. If you haven't noticed, the AMD talk as of late has not been a good thing. If your "view" wasn't so blinded for reasons I've already mentioned, you'd have realized that.
 
Whats funny is the exact same thing was said word for word when the K6 was released... Then again when the K7 was released.... And again when the K8 was released, and yet again now with the K10 release...

This is nothing new. Every single time the same thing happens. Fanboys come out of the closet screaming about about how much AMD sucks, and how bad they are getting kicked. About how soon they will go out of business... And every time it happens AMD releases a decent product that --you-- helped to advertise through your word of mouth./ Positive or negative doesnt matter. Your telling people about it. Trust me more people have heard about Barcelona from you then me.

Look at history and you'll note that the same thing has happened several times in the past. This is nothing new. If you want to know what is going to happen in the next few months then read some history. This is exactly the same strategy AMD used with the K6, K7, and K8.

When AMD bought Nexgen. When AMD bought some Alpha engineers. When AMD bought IBM's help. And now when AMD bought ATi.... When AMD was leading up to the K6 launch. When AMD was leading up to the K7 launch. When AMD was leading up to the K8 launch. And now that AMD is leading up to the K10 launch. It is exactly the same strategy to the tee.
 
K6 was no competition for the Pentium line and had a very weak FPU compared to Intel's equivilent. They also ran WAY hotter, so I don't see your point there, it was by far an inferior CPU. (I know, I had a 233MHz one as well as a 233MHz Intel)

The K7 was only marginally faster clock for clock than the P3, it wasn't until intel screwed up with the initial P4 that it shined, and that was very short lived, only until the P4 Northwood became available. It really wasn't until the K8 that AMD had a real competitor and something that was very decisively better and the news for the K8 was never this bad, sure there were some Intel nay sayers, but every benchmark that came out of them, even leaked and rumored were showing good numbers.

Your examples relate in no way to what is going on now. The K8 was something that few people had faith in, in the very beginning, but as launch came closer and closer, AMD was turning the tide in their favor, this was due to favorable news as the launch date approached. What is happening now is the EXACT OPPOSITE.

Both you and I are AMD fans, our differences are that I am not blinded by brand loyalty to the point of sheer ignorance trying to defend a company. Like I said, your views change with the weather, all in a futile attempt to stay loyal, and in doing so you make yourself sound foolish and have contradicted yourself on more than one occassion. Again, all you need to do is review your post history to see the times you've been called out on it.

WIll the K10 be a success? I certainly hope so. Will it be better than Intel's best? Again, I certainly hope so, but I doubt it. Is the news coming from the AMD camp good? NO, not at all, not in a million years, and please don't try and convince yourself that it is. This type of news in no way helps AMD, regardless of how good or bad their product may be when it finally launches. All this news does is make the Intel side say "I told you so" and the more logical folks on the AMD side who think with their wallets and not their hearts say "I think it's time to jump ship" Nobody is going to say "oh look at all the crappy reviews, I'd better wait so I can grab one!"
 
mpcamer1220 said:
You work at AMD, right? When I was there late last month, I didn't hear anyone call it that.. What is it called?
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I can't talk about internal codenames. But I'll say that the "K" codenames have not been used since K8.
 
In that case, as soon as I know what it's called, I will call it by it's real name. ;)
 
And again you turn it into a personal attack. Lets try to keep this conversation on the merits of the technology please, if you cant do that then you've lost....

And I'm sorry but you flat out wrong... The K6 was a marvel of technology and outperformed the PPro, and the P2. It even held its own against the P3. You may want to consider researching Nexgens 6x86 architecture, and then look back at some of the benches that were available at that time. It had an decent FPU, but was weak on SIMD code. It also had an awesone ALU. All in all it outperformed the P2 on most benches. Intel then just like now had the lead in most games, and most encoding apps, but the K6 was still an awesome architecture that scaled better then anything Intel had at the time.

The K7 was nothing more then an extension to the K6 that doubled the FPU power. And with Fab30 coming online with its better copper process, AMD easily took the process lead. Not to mention the EV6 buss they licensed off of Compaq. That was about it. K7 really was just a K6 with a better process, a better FPU, and a better buss....

The K8 was really nothing more the a K7 that was extended to 64bits. They also took the liberty of giving it a better buss and an on die memory controller... But really it was just a K7, which was just a K6. And that is about it. Saying the K6 didnt do its job was a cop-out at best. You need to consider the Compaq deal. If anything the K6 was one of the largest financial successes AMD ever had. If it didnt succeed AMD would have gone out of business. But it did. Just like the K7 did, and the K8 after it.

It's been the same story over and over again. When AMD releases the K11 I'm sure you'll be right back in here saying the same thing your saying this time. Why? Becouse it happens every time, just like it did the last time, and the time before that......
 
It's not a personal attack... I can't help it if you take it personally, like I've said before, that is your problem.

I know how the line of CPU's evolved, I fail to see your point, and agian, it was not the exact same thing, I've already detailed the differences for you very clearly. In fact, as I said, whats happening now is the exact opposite of what happened before. The fact that you fail to acknowledge that is why I call you ignorant. It's not an attack, its the truth. I was excited for the K8 because the news was getting better and better, this time around, the news is getting worse and worse, see the difference? I hope so, because it's quite easy to see and it's the second time I've had to explain it.

If you're taking offence at being called ignorant, then explain something to me... If this bad press is good for AMD by your account, wouldn't that mean that good press would be bad for AMD? I mean, something has to give here, AMD is not immune to the phenomenon of trade-offs. What in your opinion would be bad news for AMD? I doubt you'll say that good news is bad for them, and you've already said that this bad news is good for them, so what gives? So far, according to you, any type of news about AMD is good news. That my friend is impossible, and if you truly believe that, you are nothing short of ignorant. That is not a personal attack, there are plenty of things I'm ignorant about, like rocket science, chemistry, etc etc... This just happens to be your achilles heel.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ignorant

I've said what I need to say and have made my point QUITE clear... Feel free to post meaningless backpeddle talk and have the last word if you so choose.
 
Sure you've said an awefull lot, most of which was personal attacking some dude on an internet forum? Seems like you've said an aweful lot about nothing at all.

In the mean time your still talking about it, and more people are reading what your talking about.
 
duby229 said:
In the mean time your still talking about it, and more people are reading what your talking about.
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The thing is this discussion is not going to reach the general public or investors. This is a tech forum, and in as nice a way as I can... why haven't you answered RamonGTP question?

What kind of news do you need to read in order to realize that almost all current news about AMD is negative. Except for the upgrade in the stock today and an investment in Transmeta, what have you heard that is reassuring you that AMD is not in trouble both in terms of finance and performance?

The only conclusion I am able to reach is that your faith in AMD is what supports you, and if that is the case no amount of information pointing to the opposite will be heard, but please read on.


  • AMD is looking to loose about $0.85 per share or about $470 Million.


  • They are in great debt, and using a lot of there cash.


  • The new product is going to launch at 2.0GHz compared to the initial 2.3Ghz.


In light of these few things (in my eyes), AMD will have lower ASP's (you can't control pricing if you don't have the performance), and as a result lower margins, and finally the inability to gain momentum, allowing Intel to continue controlling the market.

I am not going to go down the bankrupt road, but AMD will most likely be hurting come middle of next year, but this could all change with the release of faster Barcelona processors.

I do like Intel, but I hope my opinion is unbiased and only looking at current events for a basis, not speculation or faith.
 
Well now that it is AMD/ATi how many Xbox 360's have been sold, all containing an ATi GPU? Still more will be sold right?
 
mpcamer1220 said:
Don't forget the Wii. :cool:
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oh yes!

so that is 9 million consoles each equaling 18 millions chips AMD has in the market. Nicely done. AMD has more going on for them than just the K10, although I do believe the K10 will be sweet! Have been known to be wrong before. lol
 
RamonGTP,

You haven't made a logical argument in over 3 posts. Instead, your last posts do nothing but attack Dubby personally, and quite directly. Want an example? "I call you ignorant. It's not an attack, its the truth." Now, explain to me how this has anything to do with Dubby's argument, and explain to me how this isn't a personal attack? If you can't make a logical argument, please shut up. IMHO, you are lowering the value of the forums for everyone. (Yes, I do report personal attacks, as I'm sure others do as well. If you don't want to be kicked, you might want to knock it off...)

enumae said:
[. . .]what have you heard that is reassuring you that AMD is not in trouble both in terms of finance and performance?
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We don't think short term and we don't suck up the FUD. AMD to sell it's FABs... Oh wait, that was a lie spread by god knows who. AMD to outsource CPU production to TSMC... Oh wait.. AMD confirms this is a lie as well, spread by the "news" sites. AMD to delay barcelona to late Q4... Oh wait... on and on. One does not need to have some kind of blind brand faith to think the future is bright for AMD. All one needs to do is use their head. Half the bad news is simply wrong, and if one looks out around a year, things start to look brighter.

Dubby and I tend to think long term while almost everyone else has a very short memory and only thinks about the near future. It is not brand loyalty, it is simply perspective. Make the time slice only the day of July 13th 2007, and AMD, relatively, looks like a waste of space. Enlarge that time line and it is easy to see that AMD's position is not the mess people make it out to be.

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I recommend both you and RamonGTP think a little larger than "what happens to show up on google news today, sorted by most recent first?", because, it sure seems like this is the only place you get your news.
 
visaris said:
One does not need to have some kind of blind brand faith to think the future is bright for AMD. All one needs to do is use their head. Half the bad news is simply wrong, and if one looks out around a year, things start to look brighter.
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Please be specific, and point to some information that would support you, otherwise it is just faith.

Please not that Fusion is not due until 2009 for mobile.

I recommend both you and RamonGTP think a little larger than "what happens to show up on google news today, sorted by most recent first?", because, it sure seems like this is the only place you get your news.
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Well then please show me the positive for AMD in anyway you choose, but also please lose the "I am smarter than you" mentality by leaving out recomendations, thanks.
 
Most people arent looking ahead into the far future because the near future isnt looking to bright for amd. A lot of people like to put stake into the "fusion" technology but thats 2 years out and even then it will probably take another 2-5 years for amd to really mature and develope that technology into something practical for general use and specific use applications.

And btw, the release of the K10 is nothing like the K8. The K8 had good press all around. Forums, mags, websites, everything was giving good praise to the K8 before its release. And there were actuall benchmarks not this 3DMark...err I mean "specfp" garbage. Which imo is worse than 3dmark. Right now the K10 is getting bad press from all the media outlets. The only good press amd can generate is from a severely outdated benchmark, which isnt even a benchmark, thats not even using actual hardware but instead "simulated/what if the sky were pink with bunny shaped clouds" hardware.

Really can you blame a lot of the people on these boards for showing anger and outrage at amd? What amd is doing right now with its marketing is boarderline nVidia back when they were tweaking game code to make there games look better for the sole purpose of only benchmark scores. You didnt see the consumer or reviewers patting nVidia on the back for its sneaky underhandness, so why look for it here with amd?

In the end I dont think anyone but the most die hard Intell zealot wants to see amd fail here, there failure means our loss afterall. However, if it looks like crap, and it smells like crap, then it probably is crap. But once again we will all know in a month and hopefully amd will show a lot of us to be wrong and have a very strong chip to compete at the very least with conroe/core technology.

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Enumae:
Please be specific, and point to some information that would support you, otherwise it is just faith. Please not that Fusion is not due until 2009 for mobile.
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I'm pretty sure that he was talking about fusion with that comment. I dont see anything else big coming out of amd anytime soon.
 
Intel allows third-party sites to have hands-on benchmark time with a pre-release Conroe system, and the benchmarks are called total BS. Later, those who called them BS are proven wrong when Core2 pretty much destroys K8.

Intel allows third-party sites to have hands-on benchmark time with a pre-release Penryn system, and the results are again discounted.

Meanwhile, from AMD, we've been seeing "simulated" benchmarks, reductions in the launch clock frequencies, and delays in the launch date.

It would seem some people in this thread are sticking their fingers in their ears and singing to themselves. What we've heard from AMD isn't good news. How you can pretend otherwise is beyond me.
 
DemonDiablo said:
A lot of people like to put stake into the "fusion" technology but thats 2 years out.
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True. Fusion is interesting, but it is far away. That isn't really what I'm talking about though.

DemonDiablo said:
However, if it looks like crap, and it smells like crap, then it probably is crap. But once again we will all know in a month.
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This is more what I'm talking about, and more what I mean by "time slice". We'll know a whole lot more about K10 at launch, which isn't hard because we don't know much of anything right now. However, the AMD vs. Intel battle isn't decided by Barcelona launch performance vs. Intel's performance at that time. If that was the case, K8 would have been a terrible flop. Think back a good few years to the K8 launch: the launch clocks were pretty low, and performance was there, but not astounding. From that humble launch, AMD took the lead from Intel, for two years (debatably longer). K8's importance was based on years of sales, just as Barcelona's will be.

Again, one needs to think much bigger picture. The importance and overall performance of Barcelona probably won't be well understood until 1-2Q2008. At that time, the chips will be out in the market, clocks will start to rise, and system design wins around the new chips will start to take hold. The battle is not fought in a day, a month, or even a year. This "we know now based on news" or "we will know in a month" is precisely the poorly thought out argument I seek to destroy here. (People who have been following the chip industry since the pre-K7 era are usually aware of this. Newcomers to the scene, who hopped on the forums after they picked up a P4, K7, K8, or Core2 typically are not aware of these long term trends and make claims about how AMD is doomed because they are only launching at 2.0GHz.)
 
LstOfTheBrunnenG said:
Intel allows third-party sites to have hands-on benchmark time with a pre-release Conroe system, and the benchmarks are called total BS. Later, those who called them BS are proven wrong when Core2 pretty much destroys K8.
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I disagree entirely. Core2 wins, but not at the levels the initial benchmarks claimsed. Futher, many of the initial benchmarks were done on an Intel cherry picked 3.2Ghz Core2. That chip still isn't for sale.

Intel's shady benchmarks are just as bad, if not worse than AMD's. At least AMD's slide says "estimation" in the caption. I never saw the Intel slides say "based off a chip that we have no intention of selling, ever." If you doubt the "ever" comment, consider that Intel has no plans to sell anything over 3GHz until Penryn comse out.

You don't make a very good argument. Perhaps you would like to try again?
 
visaris said:
True. Fusion is interesting, but it is far away. That isn't really what I'm talking about though.
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Well dont leave me in suspense here. Do tell what it is exactly that you are talking about?

(People who have been following the chip industry since the pre-K7 era are usually aware of this. Newcomers to the scene, who hopped on the forums after they picked up a P4, K7, K8, or Core2 typically are not aware of these long term trends and make claims about how AMD is doomed because they are only launching at 2.0GHz.)
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Sorry not all of us are as old as you (for the record I took no offense by your comment). I came into this game back during the 1900+ XP days I believe. That was my first processor, so everything from that point on have a very fluid memory of. While that only gives me a measly 5 years of past history to your decade or so, I still feel as though its enough for me to make some speculations on this topic. And with that I still feel comfortable standing behind my comment about crap.

But once again only time will tell, unless amd decides to do something innovative like release information about barcelona before the launch, like today.
 
visaris said:
I disagree entirely. Core2 wins, but not at the levels the initial benchmarks claimsed. Futher, many of the initial benchmarks were done on an Intel cherry picked 3.2Ghz Core2. That chip still isn't for sale.

Intel's shady benchmarks are just as bad, if not worse than AMD's. At least AMD's slide says "estimation" in the caption. I never saw the Intel slides say "based off a chip that we have no intention of selling, ever." If you doubt the "ever" comment, consider that Intel has no plans to sell anything over 3GHz until Penryn comse out.

You don't make a very good argument. Perhaps you would like to try again?
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These are the pre-release Conroe numbers I'm talking about. Looks like an E6700 to me, and guess what? You can buy one. Are you thinking of numbers from XtremeSystems? I don't think any of those were ever oficially sanctioned.
visaris said:
True. Fusion is interesting, but it is far away. That isn't really what I'm talking about though.
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Aren't you the one with the long-term view?
visaris said:
This is more what I'm talking about, and more what I mean by "time slice". We'll know a whole lot more about K10 at launch, which isn't hard because we don't know much of anything right now. However, the AMD vs. Intel battle isn't decided by Barcelona launch performance vs. Intel's performance at that time. If that was the case, K8 would have been a terrible flop. Think back a good few years to the K8 launch: the launch clocks were pretty low, and performance was there, but not astounding. From that humble launch, AMD took the lead from Intel, for two years (debatably longer). K8's importance was based on years of sales, just as Barcelona's will be.
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Process revisions can improve things like frequencies. If you believe the CineBench numbers from DailyTech, Barcelona will need more than scaling to 2.6 GHz to compete. I'm taking about considerable IPC improvements.
visaris said:
Again, one needs to think much bigger picture. The importance and overall performance of Barcelona probably won't be well understood until 1-2Q2008. At that time, the chips will be out in the market, clocks will start to rise, and system design wins around the new chips will start to take hold. The battle is not fought in a day, a month, or even a year. This "we know now based on news" or "we will know in a month" is precisely the poorly thought out argument I seek to destroy here.
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People said the same of Prescott. Its disappointing launch performance was explained away, and fangirls said that revisions and scaling would close the gap. That didn't happen. Intel never made its forecasted frequencies, and the NetBurst architecture was abandoned. If Intel, with all its resources, couldn't rectify that mistake, what makes you think AMD will be able to, if a similar mistake has taken place?
visaris said:
(People who have been following the chip industry since the pre-K7 era are usually aware of this. Newcomers to the scene, who hopped on the forums after they picked up a P4, K7, K8, or Core2 typically are not aware of these long term trends and make claims about how AMD is doomed because they are only launching at 2.0GHz.)
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Only the n00bs are saying that. My stance has been consistent and clear: current signs don't look good. I can't speak for the other people in this thread, but as for myself, I'm not saying AMD's going out of business. I'm not saying Barcelona is an irredeemable failure. I'm not even saying for sure one way or another that Barcelona will beat out Penryn. A lot could happen between now and launch, and I'm not so foolish as to call AMD's claims outright lies. You never know what they could have up their sleeve. What I am saying, though, is that current signs don't look good. That's all. You have to have some pretty heavy bias to look at the recent series of disappointments and think it's good news.
 
visaris said:
RamonGTP,

You haven't made a logical argument in over 3 posts. Instead, your last posts do nothing but attack Dubby personally, and quite directly. Want an example? "I call you ignorant. It's not an attack, its the truth." Now, explain to me how this has anything to do with Dubby's argument, and explain to me how this isn't a personal attack? If you can't make a logical argument, please shut up. IMHO, you are lowering the value of the forums for everyone. (Yes, I do report personal attacks, as I'm sure others do as well. If you don't want to be kicked, you might want to knock it off...)
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First off, feel free to report anything you want, I really don't care. If a mod/admin asks me to cool it, I'll do so.

My posts are illogical? Hmmm, ok... Well since Dubby failed to explain how both good and bad news are somehow good for AMD, maybe you can fill that gap. Tell me how the mindset of "everything is good news" is logical, becuase thats the stance that Dubby, and apparently you have taken. Explain the logic in that.

While you're at it, perhaps you can also explain how worsening news as launch date approaches is somehow the same thing as better news as launch date approaches. I posed that question to Dubby, he ignored it and you chimed in saying I'm being illogical. Maybe you're right, maybe I am illogical, I've always thought that better/worse hot/cold good/bad are opposites, but you say that's illogical? Enlighten me then with your logically inept mind.

What you fail to realize is that in my last few posts, I had completely abondoned trying to prove my point beucase it was hopeless, instead I was merely posing questions to Dubby as to how what he was saying was possible and to explain himself, he failed. Moreover, he completely ignored the questoins and started back peddling, which is exactly what I said he was going to do.

I'm through arguing with Dubby as I said in my last post, I am however anxiously awaiting your logic laden reply.

Just so it's clear and it doesn't "slip yoru mind" I would like you to enlighten my life by telling me the secret of how good/bad is the same thing. And I would really love an explination of how the existance of bad news, when it comes to AMD is a paradox in and of itself beucase, apparently, no such thing exists. My limited logic can't grasp those concepts, but I have faith that you can explain it quite clearly.
 
visaris said:
I disagree entirely. Core2 wins, but not at the levels the initial benchmarks claimsed. Futher, many of the initial benchmarks were done on an Intel cherry picked 3.2Ghz Core2. That chip still isn't for sale.
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Yet when AMD won with the K8 era it was a significant margin. Now benchmarks (even more real world focused in 2007 than 2003) are canned or exaggerating. BTW, link please on the cherry picked 3.2GHz C2D :rolleyes:

I never saw the Intel slides say "based off a chip that we have no intention of selling, ever." If you doubt the "ever" comment, consider that Intel has no plans to sell anything over 3GHz until Penryn comse out.
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Huh? Please show where Intel shows benches with 3GHz+ 65nm Core 2 chips.
 
I'd like to know since when the K8 had a favorable launch? Did something change in the last four years? As I recall it was releaed slow, and buggy and took untill the C1 revision before it was usable in a production environment. In addition it didnt take the performance lead intil C3.

And EVEN then people where saying that AMD is going to die. AMD sucks. It's the same story every single time. And every time those folks perpetuate these fears, it gets relieved. This is good. This is exactly what AMD wants. Your a pawn whether you know it or not.
 
The lengths people are going through in this thread to apologize for AMD is pretty pathetic.

Barcelona will be "introduced" next month and the silence on actual performance (not estimates) is deafening. There's probably a good reason for that.
 
pxc said:
The lengths people are going through in this thread to apologize for AMD is pretty pathetic.

Barcelona will be "introduced" next month and the silence on actual performance (not estimates) is deafening. There's probably a good reason for that.
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I dont think think anybody is apologizing for anything. Who are we or you or anybody to apologize? That is not the point. The point is that lies and misinformed opinions are being told as truth. I'm simply offering another viewpoint.

Since the the K6 AMD never released information on its products before launch. Expecting them now is just plain weird. Besides that would defeat the purpose of their tactic.
 
duby229 said:
...The point is that lies and misinformed opinions are being told as truth.
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Please point out the lies and misinformed opinions below.

  • AMD is most likely going to post a third consecutive loss.

  • Burning through their cash while accruing more debt.

  • Launching Barcelona at 2.0GHz as opposed to 2.3GHz.

  • Paper launching the HD2600 and HD2400.

  • Paper launching the 45W BE series.

And of these items which of them could be considered good news as we approach the Barcelona launch?

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I'm simply offering another viewpoint.
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Here are a couple questions I would like you viewpoint on...

  1. Do you believe that Barcelona at 2.0GHz going to help AMD this year financially?
  2. Do you believe that Barcelona at 2.0GHz going to make AMD competitive against Intel's current Xeon processors in absolute performance?
  3. Do you believe that Barcelona at 2.5GHz going to make AMD competitive against Intel's future Xeon processors in absolute performance?
  4. Do you believe that AMD is going to regain market share in the next few quarters, or that AMD achieved this in the last quarter?

I have my opinion (AMD is in deep, unless Barcelona surprise's everyone whith higher clocks), but I don't know the future, nor do you, but I would like your opinions.
 
All you have to do is look at the K8 launch. Then look at the K7 launch, and the K6 launch before that.

The exact, and I mean the exact same things your asking and saying now, have already been asked and said then. If you want answers, then look for them. Until then your doing exactly what AMD wants you to do. I'm not going to get suckered into making a "prediction" I've already clearly stated my predictions in past threads. In the mean time AMD needs people to hear the name Barcelona. They need people to hear the word Opteron. They need people talking about this chip. Good or bad, it doesnt matter, as long as the words are used...

Thats my point. I'll not make any kind of prediction except to say that clock for clock Barcelona will prolly be faster then Penryn. Whether it takes the lead is still in doubt, but then again AMD has never taken the lead with any launch product. Not the K8, or the K7, or the K6 before that. The K7 didnt take a clear lead until Thunderbird..... The K8 didnt take a clear lead until later revisions of sledge... The K6 didnt take the lead until K62.....

Nothing more can be said. All we know is what is currently available and all that is available is very little.
 
pxc said:
The lengths people are going through in this thread to apologize for AMD is pretty pathetic.

Barcelona will be "introduced" next month and the silence on actual performance (not estimates) is deafening. There's probably a good reason for that.
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duby229 said:
All you have to do is look at the K8 launch. Then look at the K7 launch, and the K6 launch before that.

The exact, and I mean the exact same things your asking and saying now, have already been asked and said then. If you want answers, then look for them. Until then your doing exactly what AMD wants you to do. I'm not going to get suckered into making a "prediction" I've already clearly stated my predictions in past threads. In the mean time AMD needs people to hear the name Barcelona. They need people to hear the word Opteron. They need people talking about this chip. Good or bad, it doesnt matter, as long as the words are used...

Thats my point. I'll not make any kind of prediction except to say that clock for clock Barcelona will prolly be faster then Penryn. Whether it takes the lead is still in doubt, but then again AMD has never taken the lead with any launch product. Not the K8, or the K7, or the K6 before that. The K7 didnt take a clear lead until Thunderbird..... The K8 didnt take a clear lead until later revisions of sledge... The K6 didnt take the lead until K62.....

Nothing more can be said. All we know is what is currently available and all that is available is very little.
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Eh? From memory, the K8 was considered faster than P4 at launch. I counted the benchmark wins for K8 vs P4 from Anandtechs article and it came out in favour of K8 on a 3:2 ratio. Not a huge victory but one nonetheless.

K7 was ages ago but again I think it's fair to say at launch it was considered faster than P3. At least I considered it that way, as did most enthusiasts.

K6... I was too young to care, wasn't really into PCs then, but my interest did start around the K6-2 era and I do remember clearly the P2 and Celerons raping it in FP, with it's only saving grace the ill fated 3D Now! that had some initial support but quickly died out.
 
visaris said:
I disagree entirely. Core2 wins, but not at the levels the initial benchmarks claimsed. Futher, many of the initial benchmarks were done on an Intel cherry picked 3.2Ghz Core2. That chip still isn't for sale.

Intel's shady benchmarks are just as bad, if not worse than AMD's. At least AMD's slide says "estimation" in the caption. I never saw the Intel slides say "based off a chip that we have no intention of selling, ever." If you doubt the "ever" comment, consider that Intel has no plans to sell anything over 3GHz until Penryn comse out.

You don't make a very good argument. Perhaps you would like to try again?
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Source for 3.2GHz Core2 benchmarks? AFAIK, Intel only ever showed off 2.66GHz (E6700) benchmarks at IDF, never heard of a 3.2GHz one... so unless you can produce some evidence I'm calling BS on that one.
 
You guys have entirely too much free time on your hands to argue on a forum :D I've said this and I'll say it again: just wait for the release and real benchmarks.
 
Talk about a bad situation...

1. AMD debt is now 'junk'
2. AMD has lost 2/3 of its value over the last year
3. AMD has 2X the debt as Intel
4. AMD is running at a loss
5. AMD had ceded the current generation of GPU's to nVidia

Benchmarks that are w/o question far and away better then what Intel has, is just more bad news. I'm glad I sold my position months ago.
 
Bacillus said:
Talk about a bad situation...

1. AMD debt is now 'junk'
2. AMD has lost 2/3 of its value over the last year
3. AMD has 2X the debt as Intel
4. AMD is running at a loss
5. AMD had ceded the current generation of GPU's to nVidia

Benchmarks that are w/o question far and away better then what Intel has, is just more bad news. I'm glad I sold my position months ago.
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Blasphemy!!! Have you not learned that there is no such thing as bad news when it comes to AMD?!?! You must now beg the AMD gods for forgiveness and sacrifice your dog. :p
 
can they save themselves from the X2's now that SUCK.

i hate my 5600+, measly 350mhz overclock on WATER.

what a shameful piece of sh**:mad:
 
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