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AMD Introduces "New" Ryzen Branding: Ryzen 10 "Zen 2" and Ryzen 100 "Zen 3+" Processors

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"Further down the stack, Ryzen 5 parts shave off cores and clocks but often keep the same 680M GPU. The Ryzen 10 line looks like a reuse of Mendocino, Zen 2 silicon for entry level systems that pairs 4C/8T CPU with a cut-down 2-CU Radeon 610M and typical 15 W power targets. Many of the refreshed listings still point to PCIe 3.0 as the fastest lane and leave USB4 as optional, so don't expect any modern I/O fireworks on these parts. Readers might wonder why is AMD bringing older silicon back? Our best guess is that AMD may be monetizing existing inventory, wafers and validated designs produced when 6 nm capacity was limited and costly. Having secured that capacity at TSMC, AMD was obliged to use it even if it moved on to newer CPU generations.
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Here are the "new" Mendocino CPUs based on Zen 2:
  • Athlon Silver 10: 2C/2T
  • Athlon Gold 20: 2C/4T
  • Ryzen 3 30: 4C/8T
  • Ryzen 5 40: 4C/8T
And here are the "new" Rembrandt CPUs based on Zen 3+ architecture:
  • Ryzen 3 110: 4C/8T
  • Ryzen 5 130: 6C/12T
  • Ryzen 5 150: 6C/12T
  • Ryzen 7 160: 8C/16T
  • Ryzen 7 170: 8C/16T"
Source: https://www.techpowerup.com/342290/...ryzen-10-zen-2-and-ryzen-100-zen-3-processors
 
They are Windows 11 compliant, cost-effective, have stable drivers, and for 95% of the population more than powerful enough to get the job done.
To make things even sweeter, the boards for them are cheap and abundant, good enough for me, especially given the state of the marketplace right now.
 
erek said:
"Further down the stack, Ryzen 5 parts shave off cores and clocks but often keep the same 680M GPU. The Ryzen 10 line looks like a reuse of Mendocino, Zen 2 silicon for entry level systems that pairs 4C/8T CPU with a cut-down 2-CU Radeon 610M and typical 15 W power targets. Many of the refreshed listings still point to PCIe 3.0 as the fastest lane and leave USB4 as optional, so don't expect any modern I/O fireworks on these parts. Readers might wonder why is AMD bringing older silicon back? Our best guess is that AMD may be monetizing existing inventory, wafers and validated designs produced when 6 nm capacity was limited and costly. Having secured that capacity at TSMC, AMD was obliged to use it even if it moved on to newer CPU generations.
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Here are the "new" Mendocino CPUs based on Zen 2:
  • Athlon Silver 10: 2C/2T
  • Athlon Gold 20: 2C/4T
  • Ryzen 3 30: 4C/8T
  • Ryzen 5 40: 4C/8T
And here are the "new" Rembrandt CPUs based on Zen 3+ architecture:
  • Ryzen 3 110: 4C/8T
  • Ryzen 5 130: 6C/12T
  • Ryzen 5 150: 6C/12T
  • Ryzen 7 160: 8C/16T
  • Ryzen 7 170: 8C/16T"
Source: https://www.techpowerup.com/342290/...ryzen-10-zen-2-and-ryzen-100-zen-3-processors
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Zen 2 should go away. It is a generation behind zen 3

AMD had planned to replace Mendocino (TSMC 6nm) with Sonoma Valley (Samsung 4nm). Unfortunately Samsung couldn't deliver

We are stuck with zen-2 & tsmc 6nm forever now
 
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I never got a chance to build a Zen 2... and I still probably never will.
 
More shenanigans to fool people into buying old tech so they can save money on manufacturing.
 
Saving money on manufacturing or, have to use booked tsmc 6 capacity…. (They were maybe made a long time ago has well, just a name change on quite old stocks)
 
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KazeoHin said:
A Raspberry Pi would probably be faster and cheaper than anything using an AMD dual core...
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Nah 2 Zen 2 cores could still run circles around a pi5, the cortex A76 is a 7 year old design and the pi5 is using a 16nm process.

AMD has only been managing a 7-10% single core performance gain with each generation after 2 with Zen 5 being ~17% faster in single core. Not insignificant but Zen 2 still holds up relatively well all things included.
 
I think AMD needs to admit they screwed up with AM5 if AM4 parts keep getting released.
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DukenukemX said:
to admit they screwed up with AM5 if AM4 parts keep getting released.
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Not sure when they were made, but I really doubt it would be worth trying to tapeout zen4/5 on TSMC 6 for those devices. It is a bit like Ampere product still coming out in 2024/2025, making Lovelace on Samsung 8nm would be costly and who knows when the die was made (could easily have over produced them, demand moved all over the place, how long 3060s were a thing...).

I doubt shareholders care much about those chips.

One thing that could have happened in the zen2/zen3 era, how much you made / fabs capacity you bought/reserved in advance:

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, would have been hard to gauge, I imagine an AMD did try to factor how much of that late 2020/2021 demand was exceptional for low power SOC like that, but hard to really know by how much and large opportunity cost to under supply them.
 
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LukeTbk said:
I doubt shareholders care much about those chips
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If they are existing inventory then getting them off the books they care very much about.

If they let AMD move into a new market then they doubly care because that is growth and a good looking bar to add to the quarterly graph.

If those chips are cheap enough it opens up a lot of options for OEM’s in Asia and India, a market currently dominated by Intel with chips like the N6210.
 
Lakados said:
They are Windows 11 compliant, cost-effective, have stable drivers, and for 95% of the population more than powerful enough to get the job done.
To make things even sweeter, the boards for them are cheap and abundant, good enough for me, especially given the state of the marketplace right now.
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Is AMD or MS going to let me trade in a ryzen 7 1700 for one of these "new" 8c/16t cpus and it will work in a x370 or any AM4 mobo?
 
AMD Introduces "New" Ryzen Branding: Ryzen 10 "Zen 2" and Ryzen 100 "Zen 3+" Processors
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Bit of a missed opportunity, not calling them Ryzen 10 and Ryzen 11+, to better pretend that the naming scheme is not deceptive as hell.
 
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New Mendocino CPUs? Who's still running Celeron 300As and overclocking them to 500+ MHz in 2025?

Jokes aside, it seems like every big tech company does a bit of product recycling with a new label at least once. AMD's already done it a few times on the GPU end, so has NVIDIA, and we all know Intel likes to market a simple refresh as a whole new generation sometimes, especially during the whole Eternal Skylake mess from 6th-gen to 10th-gen.

Alas, Zen 2 hasn't exactly aged well by comparison since all its succeeding generations were that much faster, particularly Zen 3 when they started to legitimately overtake Intel for the first time in a decade and a half, and then Zen 4 removed all doubt.
 
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