AMD Down 4 the Count? Future Map I vs A

savantu said:
Did Intel try to ramp Cedar Mill ? The answer is easy : no.
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because they knew that even at 65nm, heat was too much of a problem

donnie, the problem is that we see flamebait differently. you post right there is bait, as is the one you made two before it. it's kinda degrading to see conversation in the forums turn into "hehehe!" you know. i said something to someone earlier, about how it's a good thing that i don't have any power at XS, because there are so many people who just have no respect for other people, and generally don't seem to care about what they say. same thing seems to be happening here. i respect you as an intel guy, but i would ban you for the way you post. probably give duby a 3 day for falling for your shit and feeding it back to you, and give warnings to savantu and visaris for promoting problems ;)

all right, i'm becoming too much of an "armchair" mod here with all that said. have fun with your pissing matches boys :cool:
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
because they knew that even at 65nm, heat was too much of a problem
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Are you kidding me? Presler, dual core Cedar Mill, runs VERY cool. Every system that I have built using Presler the CPU fans would barely run. P4 was just starting to come into it's own with 65nm... Like I've said before it's a shame that we couldn't see what it would do @ 45nm.

(cf)Eclipse said:
but i would ban you [Donnie] for the way you post. probably give duby a 3 day for falling for your shit and feeding it back to you, and give warnings to savantu and visaris for promoting problems ;)
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LMAO... this is funny. Donnie is actually pretty levelheaded when it comes to these "discussions" whereas Duby has a tendency to troll... and by tendency I mean he does it all the time. But yea... Duby belongs here and Donnie doesn't. :rolleyes: I think I know why you aren't a mod.
 
Poncho said:
Are you kidding me? Presler, dual core Cedar Mill, runs VERY cool. Every system that I have built using Presler the CPU fans would barely run. P4 was just starting to come into it's own with 65nm... Like I've said before it's a shame that we couldn't see what it would do @ 45nm.



LMAO... this is funny. Donnie is actually pretty levelheaded when it comes to these "discussions" whereas Duby has a tendency to troll... and by tendency I mean he does it all the time. But yea... Duby belongs here and Donnie doesn't. :rolleyes: I think I know why you aren't a mod.
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my cedar mill doesn't run cool, not by a long shot. might be slightly bad ihs contact, but i can tell when something is really pumping out heat when the heatsink actually starts feeling warm/hot under full load. perhaps it's cool to you after what prescott did, but compared to my sempron at 3ghz and 1.75v (yes, 90nm), it's QUITE warm

and yeah, i know why i'm not a mod too. too damn young and impulsive ;)
 
Well, my 2 cents.

805D Burning and Scorching Hot. 930D MUCH cooler but still kinda warm. Compared to the X2 I have to agree with Eclipse. They weren't bad but still not that cool.

Yes, I also agree that ppl should really relax and be a bit more polite. I saw that here increase and I didn't notice too much on XS but the last few times I went I also noticed it has increased a lot.
 
I think one thing I could never get tired of in these infamous debates, amd vs. intel or ati vs nvidia, is the use of the inquirer. When its against your company then the argument is "omgz, dat is da inquirer, dat site is nevar rite", and when its to proove your point its "omgz, I know I say dat the inquirer is nevar rite, but dis tymez it is!11!!"
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
my cedar mill doesn't run cool, not by a long shot. might be slightly bad ihs contact, but i can tell when something is really pumping out heat when the heatsink actually starts feeling warm/hot under full load. perhaps it's cool to you after what prescott did, but compared to my sempron at 3ghz and 1.75v (yes, 90nm), it's QUITE warm
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I have to agree with Poncho, I had an Intel Pentium 4 651 Cedar Mill at 4.5GHz on the stock cooler and it didn't go above 55 c.

I now have an Intel Pentium D 940 Presler at 4.25GHz and it doesn't go above 50 c, I will admit that with the dual core I figured I would need a better heatsink (ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro), but that chip is flying.

I do not have alot of money, so for my budget the chip and heatsink ($220) will out perform most anything (I think?) at that price while its overclocked, befor you overclock it is not all that great, but again for the money and knowing I am going to push its limits, it performs very well, and runs cool.

PS: I also have to say that I have always used the motherbaord sensor (U Guru), if it is wrong, then I am wrong... ABIT AW8, anybody know of false temperature readings for this motherboard please let me know.
 
i used the abit aw8 and then the asus p5wd2.. the aw8 is a total POS imo. nneded 1.45v to hit 4ghz while the asus did it with 1.3v.. and temps were probably roughly 15-20c low on the abit. can't prove it, but i know it was low.

and on a budget, it's still hard to beat the peformance of a sempron. ;)
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
...and temps were probably roughly 15-20c low on the abit. can't prove it, but i know it was low.
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Wow, that seems like alot, I will look into it, if you can find a link, that would be great.


(cf)Eclipse said:
and on a budget, it's still hard to beat the peformance of a sempron. ;)
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Have you benched your Sempron?

It would seem we both have lowend processors and I would be very interested in the results.

If your interested let me know, I have most of the benchmarking software, but I would have to re-install it... it would seem that me and Ubuntu don't quite get along, just had to do a complete re-install of XP after playing with Ubuntu.
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
and on a budget, it's still hard to beat the peformance of a sempron. ;)
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I can vouch for that....

built the girlfriend a sempron AM2 system running @ 2.4ghz for about $100 for the processor and MB

once you head north of 175 for MB+ proc, intel does look better though
 
enumae said:
Have you benched your Sempron?

It would seem we both have lowend processors and I would be very interested in the results.

If your interested let me know, I have most of the benchmarking software, but I would have to re-install it... it would seem that me and Ubuntu don't quite get along, just had to do a complete re-install of XP after playing with Ubuntu.
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what kind of results are you looking for?
http://eclipseoc.com/index.php?id=3,67,0,0,1,0
 
Speaking of sempron...

Been reading it's only a very small $ difference vs. reg Athlons on AM2. How much of an difference is there in REAL life situations like games, etc. Not too concerned on benches, though they are nice to get an idea of power.
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
because they knew that even at 65nm, heat was too much of a problem

donnie, the problem is that we see flamebait differently. you post right there is bait, as is the one you made two before it. it's kinda degrading to see conversation in the forums turn into "hehehe!" you know. i said something to someone earlier, about how it's a good thing that i don't have any power at XS, because there are so many people who just have no respect for other people, and generally don't seem to care about what they say. same thing seems to be happening here. i respect you as an intel guy, but i would ban you for the way you post. probably give duby a 3 day for falling for your shit and feeding it back to you, and give warnings to savantu and visaris for promoting problems ;)

all right, i'm becoming too much of an "armchair" mod here with all that said. have fun with your pissing matches boys :cool:
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With all due respect, that's bullshit!

He gave an example about the media, I RESPECTFULLY gave him a counterpoint. I didn't ask him to pull his head out or anything that lame.

If my giving him links to correct something as misguided as he posted makes me guilty in your Opinion, hell, I'm glad as hell you don't have Mod powers. It's "stupid" when I say ***if they fixed results for AMD he'd like them. Yet, his telling me to take my head out of my ass in only "unneeded"? WTF? Did you think about WTF you were posting before you wrote it? Then the same old pattern comes up, I already see the big "Never mind" coming.

Dudy229 BS is littered all over [H]'s forum, Conroe will cost more across the board, Conroe Scores faked, not be able to buy them until Nov at the earliest, and etc... Links to Sha-Crack-Pot, please give me a break!?

Please Eclipse, if that's something you don't like, then put me on your ignore list?
 
Let's leave it at that please. I don't want this thread close. I'm not saying u did anything bad just being cautious...

Let's calm down guys.
 
As I Lay Dying said:
I think one thing I could never get tired of in these infamous debates, amd vs. intel or ati vs nvidia, is the use of the inquirer. When its against your company then the argument is "omgz, dat is da inquirer, dat site is nevar rite", and when its to proove your point its "omgz, I know I say dat the inquirer is nevar rite, but dis tymez it is!11!!"
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There is no debate right now, Intel is kicking AMD's ass just as AMD's kicked Intel's with X2. The problem is when folks have a problem with that and lash out with BS!

Sempron?

http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1030091664&postcount=3

AMD may be down but no way are they out!
 
MC FLMJIG said:
Let's leave it at that please. I don't want this thread close. I'm not saying u did anything bad just being cautious...

Let's calm down guys.
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I will cool it!
 
enumae said:
Thanks for the link, I had not noticed that Sempron was a single core, so I guess we cant really compare the two.
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yeah, no dual core semprons yet. it'll happen eventually, but at the moment, the real value segment doesn't need more power than the athlonXPs can give, so *shrug*

donnie, i apologize for the outburst. i'll shut up now :D
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
yeah, no dual core semprons yet. it'll happen eventually, but at the moment, the real value segment doesn't need more power than the athlonXPs can give, so *shrug*

donnie, i apologize for the outburst. i'll shut up now :D
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No biggie:)

Congrats on the Sempron record BTW!
 
thanks bro :D

i do have to admit, this sempron is a tad better than the average one. though on the other side of the coin, all the good overclockers have switched to conroe except for me. i'm actually doing benches with my 631 right now, hahaha :D
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
thanks bro :D

i do have to admit, this sempron is a tad better than the average one. though on the other side of the coin, all the good overclockers have switched to conroe except for me. i'm actually doing benches with my 631 right now, hahaha :D
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I saw that on another post. That F7 BIOS (GA-DS3) Chris told me about is much nicer, hell I knocked GSkill's NR Ram and now it is running at lot smoother at 800MHz like it is supposed to. That's with almost not voltaged added. Maybe over the weekend, I'll overclock mine again.
 
MC FLMJIG said:
Wat does the average user do that we need 4 cores?!?!?

I can see for folding and if u do a ton of ripping and for servers... but for the average user?

If it included some physics in there and was 3 cores and 1 for that ok... but I think it just marketing plot to sucker ppl in.
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Nothing absolutely nothing. And I'm totally loving Intel saying how the Quad Core processors will be great gaming processors. What a load of shit...
 
Leon2ky said:
Nothing absolutely nothing. And I'm totally loving Intel saying how the Quad Core processors will be great gaming processors. What a load of shit...
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There will be 1-2 games that are going to bring a QC on its knees.

As an alternative you can always try a multithreaded chess game. :)
 
Leon2ky said:
Nothing absolutely nothing. And I'm totally loving Intel saying how the Quad Core processors will be great gaming processors. What a load of shit...
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Kinda like how AMD says 4x4 will be a great gaming platform as well. :rolleyes: It's just marketing... and BOTH sides do it.
 
Poncho said:
Kinda like how AMD says 4x4 will be a great gaming platform as well. :rolleyes: It's just marketing... and BOTH sides do it.
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Hehehe, you beat me to that one!
 
You know something guys.....

I was just simply offering some speculation on why is it that a 2.6ghz Opteron system trailed so closely to a 3ghz Woodcrest system.... I offered what I thought on the subject and suddenly I get flaimed for linking to ---something--- What I still have no clue....

Then we get Donnie flaming me for got only knows what. Every single time I post in this forum I get flamed. The sad thing is that I'm right more often then not, and when I end up wrong I admit every single time. Donnie knows that. Thats why I told him to pull his head out of his ass. You are allowed to have you opinion and that is fine. But so am I damn it. If you dont like it, then tough luck... That is just simply how the ball rolls. Get used to it Donnie. I respect your opinion, but get used to the fact that I'm not always wrong, and when I am wrong I admit it. I was wrong about Conroes availability. I admitted that months ago. Stop bringing that up. What is this bullshit about linking to some site? I have no clue. Whatever it is I'm not going to apologize for it, becouse it was most likely an attempt to share information. If you dont like me... Fine, but I'm not going to stop visiting becouse you flame me every time I post something. I'm sorry I told you to pull you head out your ass. I shouldnt have posted that. But please try to be tolerant of my postings, and you'll see that I'm a reasonable guy.

Poncho claims that I have a tendancy "troll" What? Where did that come from? I cant remeber one time I have ever disagreed with you. Sure I dont agree with you opinion of things, but generaly you tend to be well informed, and alot of what you say can be truested as the truth... As a matter of fact alot of what I base my opinion on came out of your mouth first --becouse-- you tend to be well informed. I'm sorry if you got the wrong impression from me.
 
duby229 said:
You know something guys.....

I was just simply offering some speculation on why is it that a 2.6ghz Opteron system trailed so closely to a 3ghz Woodcrest system.... I offered what I thought on the subject and suddenly I get flaimed for linking to ---something--- What I still have no clue....
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Shut up man , in all industry standard benchmarks Woodcrest flies compared to Opteron.Look at OLTP , data minning , etc.

In workstation tasks like 3dsmax , rendering and video compression, Woodcrest has a 20% lead or more.

Your thought isn't worth the bytes needed to post it.
 
savantu said:
Shut up man , in all industry standard benchmarks Woodcrest flies compared to Opteron.Look at OLTP , data minning , etc.

In workstation tasks like 3dsmax , rendering and video compression, Woodcrest has a 20% lead or more.

Your thought isn't worth the bytes needed to post it.
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I'm not going to comment on your ignorance....

However according to the post that I was replying to Opteron wasnt that far behind. If you dont believe me, then maybe you should learn to read.
 
savantu said:
Shut up man , in all industry standard benchmarks Woodcrest flies compared to Opteron.Look at OLTP , data minning , etc.

In workstation tasks like 3dsmax , rendering and video compression, Woodcrest has a 20% lead or more.

Your thought isn't worth the bytes needed to post it.
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curious that you jumped on his back and not mine when i was the one who pointed out the strangeness of how the opteron was performing much better than expected (or the woocrest much worse, depending on how you wanna look at it)
in single threaded apps, yes, the performance difference is there, and it is like 10-30%.. but as you can see from the scaling, a 2.6ghz opteron can probably take a 3ghz woodcrest in a bunch of things by the time to scales up to 8 cores ;)
 
Why is everyone worried about 4 cores and beyond anyhow? Just give me 64bit/dual core aware software and I'd be extremely happy!

I can use a 4 core CPU for Folding@Home and that's about it right now. I'm sure Hollywood types would love the 4 core CPU for rendering farms and CG animation, but for the average Joe Schmuck like ourselves, it's currently overkill!
 
freeloader1969 said:
Why is everyone worried about 4 cores and beyond anyhow? Just give me 64bit/dual core aware software and I'd be extremely happy!
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servers. K8 was designed primarily for the server market anyhow :D
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
curious that you jumped on his back and not mine when i was the one who pointed out the strangeness of how the opteron was performing much better than expected (or the woocrest much worse, depending on how you wanna look at it)
in single threaded apps, yes, the performance difference is there, and it is like 10-30%.. but as you can see from the scaling, a 2.6ghz opteron can probably take a 3ghz woodcrest in a bunch of things by the time to scales up to 8 cores ;)
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No body jumped him or you, I simply said go to xtremesystems.org and look at the tests of Kentsfield there with DDR2 instead of the ones did with FBDIMMs? Folks at ARS, Tech-Report, Anandtech and others said FBDIMM wasn't good for every situation. If someone has a better Idea, they should correct these folks. No matter which side of the forum they're on. Not tell folks who believe them they don't have a clue or that they're reaching for straws!

Finally, the only time I'll come back to this side of the forum is for help after I get me an X2 to replace my 3500+. Auf vieder sein! Poncho was right, I don't belong here;)
 
So, not wanting to read 10 pages of thread; Is AMD down (obvious-f**king-ly not out) for 2007 because of Wolfdale/Yorkfield? And wouldn't this mean that Intel can push their QC speeds on 45nm in 2008 as well?
 
Donnie27 said:
No body jumped him or you, I simply said go to xtremesystems.org and look at the tests of Kentsfield there with DDR2 instead of the ones did with FBDIMMs? Folks at ARS, Tech-Report, Anandtech and others said FBDIMM wasn't good for every situation. If someone has a better Idea, they should correct these folks. No matter which side of the forum they're on. Not tell folks who believe them they don't have a clue or that they're reaching for straws!

Finally, the only time I'll come back to this side of the forum is for help after I get me an X2 to replace my 3500+. Auf vieder sein! Poncho was right, I don't belong here;)
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No you didn't jump, you insulted him.
 
Donnie27 said:
No body jumped him or you, I simply said go to xtremesystems.org and look at the tests of Kentsfield there with DDR2 instead of the ones did with FBDIMMs? Folks at ARS, Tech-Report, Anandtech and others said FBDIMM wasn't good for every situation. If someone has a better Idea, they should correct these folks. No matter which side of the forum they're on. Not tell folks who believe them they don't have a clue or that they're reaching for straws!

Finally, the only time I'll come back to this side of the forum is for help after I get me an X2 to replace my 3500+. Auf vieder sein! Poncho was right, I don't belong here;)
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Donnie - he wasn't talking to you I don't think. I think that comment was aimed at savantu. Perhaps he'll clarify.
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
curious that you jumped on his back and not mine when i was the one who pointed out the strangeness of how the opteron was performing much better than expected (or the woocrest much worse, depending on how you wanna look at it)
in single threaded apps, yes, the performance difference is there, and it is like 10-30%.. but as you can see from the scaling, a 2.6ghz opteron can probably take a 3ghz woodcrest in a bunch of things by the time to scales up to 8 cores ;)
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2P servers and workstations don't run Lame MP3.

I mentioned industry standard benchmarks because Woodcrest lead is significant there and all are multitreaded.
 
BigMacAttack said:
Donnie - he wasn't talking to you I don't think. I think that comment was aimed at savantu. Perhaps he'll clarify.
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this is quite correct, which makes it all the more amusing because now donnie gives me a hard time for something that wasn't even aimed at him. so yes donnie, people ARE jumping on each other's backs here, your post proves it ;)

savantu, perhaps i'm just clueless, but which benches were you referring to. i was noticing this kind of stuff in pov-ray, which imo is a pretty important rendering program...
 
What is the maximum amount of RAM for 4x4? 4GB IIRC, but is that in total or is that per socket?
 
Is that a reg ATX board?

Looks huge.

Seems like the era for a 1k PSU is near. :(
 
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