AMD Demo's Dual Core

So many 754 socket users were like "939 isn't gauranteed dual core compatibility" and "Their won't be any "Magic" bios flash that will make your motherboard dual core compatible". Amd said several weeks ago that any 939 motherboard thats compatible with 90nm cpus will be compatible with dual cores athlon64s. Its nice to know they will be here so soon, and at 2.4ghz too. i hope they make a nice 1.8ghz version so we can all afford to oc the dogsnaught out of it. :) Finnaly smp without the cluttered motherboard.
 
I'll reserve judgement until I see real world benefits gained from real-world apps without them having been specially compiled....

I've had enough hype, thanks. Show me the money.
 
purefun65 said:
Its amd man. It will work beautifully. :D

Yeah I believe so to. Now I just want someone to tell me that the are rewriting HL2 to SMP enviroment :D
 
Hm... I skimmed that link, as well as the AMD info posted on the news page. I saw mention of socket 940, but not 939. Any info on this? I'd like to dual-core that new shuttle, 25p or whatever. Ugly case, sexy innards. :cool:
 
yeah its AMD man they usually dont rush things out and have it blow up in thier face. Since Intel has all the money and market share, AMD usually makes sure thier stuff is working before releasing it. They cannot afford a messup like Intel could.
 
people seem to forget that AMD is the david vs the goliath in the proceesor mfg world.
they consistently improve with a 1/10 of the resourses that a giant like intell has.They will not release anything haphazzardly as to tarnish their growing reputation. these new proceesors will win many an acolade without a doubt. :D on a side note amd has the best promotional advertising going.{US the overclocking community}, we are their voice their word of mouth and they continue to show their appreciation to us by making various platforms enthusiate friendly, we ask and they produce. :p
 
AMD dual core sounds better than what I had wished for after Intel came out with HT. I always thought a CPU with the A64's power and the P4's HT capability would be awesome. Looks like I'll get my wish. :)
 
planetary said:
AMD dual core sounds better than what I had wished for after Intel came out with HT. I always thought a CPU with the A64's power and the P4's HT capability would be awesome. Looks like I'll get my wish. :)

Actually HT is like 1/10th of another CPU at best but dual cores = two COMPLETE cpus so it makes the HT look like the pos that it is! :p
 
PhyberOptik said:
I'll reserve judgement until I see real world benefits gained from real-world apps without them having been specially compiled....

I've had enough hype, thanks. Show me the money.

There has already been ample evidence that SMP will greatly improve performance in a multitasking enviroment. Even SMT ("Hyperthreading" in Intel marketing speak) helps quite a bit in thread heavy environments. The Athlon64 architecture is particularly well suited to the migration to dual core due to the use of Hypertransport.

Dual cores won't be a magic be-all-end-all to performance. They are evolutionary, not revolutionary.
 
ThomasE66 said:
Dual cores won't be a magic be-all-end-all to performance. They are evolutionary, not revolutionary.

yep. its smp on a single chip. cool as hell, but people have been building smp systems for some time.
 
Intel is also making a dual core cpu it will be interesting to see how it works out, dual core that can handle two threads per core, aka 4 vritual processors ? it will be interesting to see , at least.
 
FlyinBrian said:
Intel is also making a dual core cpu it will be interesting to see how it works out, dual core that can handle two threads per core, aka 4 vritual processors ? it will be interesting to see , at least.

Yes, but I'm hoping they finally ditch their bus architecture. It is going to start holding them back sooner or later.
 
the thing that hurts them i think its everytime they ramp speed they also add longer stage pipe, youd think that they would try to find ways to reduce the pipe length back down and thus increasing performance, instead of trying to find another solution they just keep ramping the clock cycles and gain no real world performance. Imagine a pentium 4 core runing 3.7gh with a 10 stage pipe instead of a freaking 31 stage.
 
FlyinBrian said:
the thing that hurts them i think its everytime they ramp speed they also add longer stage pipe, youd think that they would try to find ways to reduce the pipe length back down and thus increasing performance, instead of trying to find another solution they just keep ramping the clock cycles and gain no real world performance. Imagine a pentium 4 core runing 3.7gh with a 10 stage pipe instead of a freaking 31 stage.

A high speed 90nm penitum 3 would be nice, but that's what the Dothan is. Intel just needs to make that scale higher without increasing the pipelength.
 
mmm good news good news.

I cant wait till i hear what boards support it... hope my "old nf3 clunker" will take the upgrade... :D:D:D
 
sounds awesome

just ordered me a 3200 winnie and a neo2, so ill wait for these to come down in price before i spring on it. they sould awesome tho

A high speed 90nm penitum 3 would be nice, but that's what the Dothan is. Intel just needs to make that scale higher without increasing the pipelength.
i think intel abandoned the p3 way to quickly. tualatin(.13u) had much more potential than they let it have, both of mine easily hit 1.8 ghz before my bus clock gets to high and my windows install corrupts beyond saving :p
 
Do you think we will see Dual core opterons soon after the introduction of the Dual core 64/Fx? How much longer do you think....


Or will they surface first?
 
lithium726 said:
sounds awesome

just ordered me a 3200 winnie and a neo2, so ill wait for these to come down in price before i spring on it. they sould awesome tho


i think intel abandoned the p3 way to quickly. tualatin(.13u) had much more potential than they let it have, both of mine easily hit 1.8 ghz before my bus clock gets to high and my windows install corrupts beyond saving :p

The PIII (Actually the P6 [Pentium Pro]) architecture lived on in the form of the Pentium M. It's similar to the relationship between birds and dinosaurs :)
 
In the year 2000 the processors will be so fast that the monitors will not be able to keep up with them.
 
So this means we will soon be seeing pretty performance graphs from the inq and the likes in the coming months?
 
ThomasE66 said:
The PIII (Actually the P6 [Pentium Pro]) architecture lived on in the form of the Pentium M. It's similar to the relationship between birds and dinosaurs :)
err.. i know that... i was referring to the fact that intel ditched tualatin in favor of willamette in teh desktop segment, and IMO, they shouldnt have done that... a 2ghz tualatin (which those things were fully capable of, they ran very cool) wouldve killed the athlons of the time. instead, they went with the hot, slow, and inefficient willamette. P-M is proving that teh p6 still has a long life ahead of it, and i think netburst is gonna be going the way of the dinosuars within the next 2 years or so.
 
KrakenGuy said:
I can already imagine the amount of heat this is gonna generate...
less than prescotts ;)

seriously, pressys are rated for up to 115w or osmething like that i believe, these are said to be 100w. not only that, but since its gonna be dual core now, the surface area of the core to dissapate heat will almost twice as big, resulting in more effcient cooling and cooler temps, regardless of the fact it has a higher wattage rating.
 
I'm glad I went with a Neo2 and a Winnie 3200. Means I'll get to wait for these to come down before I make the next major leap.
 
purefun65 said:
people seem to forget that AMD is the david vs the goliath in the proceesor mfg world.
they consistently improve with a 1/10 of the resourses that a giant like intell has.They will not release anything haphazzardly as to tarnish their growing reputation. these new proceesors will win many an acolade without a doubt. :D on a side note amd has the best promotional advertising going.{US the overclocking community}, we are their voice their word of mouth and they continue to show their appreciation to us by making various platforms enthusiate friendly, we ask and they produce. :p

So true.. Even Intel realised that the [H]ard ppl out there has a Very Loud Voice and then came the Extremly Expensive editions... Long time ago they didn't need to bother (K-5, K-6 days) and they were slow on the uptake when the Athlon hit them now they are fighting back the nails & teeth sort of way its just that right now they ARE fight ing with Nails & Teeth while AMD has the Fang & Claws... (Any1 who has played a decent RPG knows how that fight will end LoL).

Well therefor I forsee a continued push towards the enthusiast market from both. Lets remember its a lucurative market nowdays. Earlier it was the ppl soldering their MoBos switching jumpers and resolving hardware conflict who were the market (pretty small market) now days its everyone who wants to play a FPS competitive and can use nTune or any other softwarebased OC/tuning tool. A lot of ppl who OC today don't even know how the BIOS screens look. Now THAT is a market.

Well Im not sure how I ended up typing all this going of on a tangent like a rocket but Ill excuse myself with the fact thats its my first post today and therefore I have lots of enrergy to focus on useless discussions :D
 
Well therefor I forsee a continued push towards the enthusiast market from both. Lets remember its a lucurative market nowdays. Earlier it was the ppl soldering their MoBos switching jumpers and resolving hardware conflict who were the market (pretty small market) now days its everyone who wants to play a FPS competitive and can use nTune or any other softwarebased OC/tuning tool. A lot of ppl who OC today don't even know how the BIOS screens look. Now THAT is a market
we are still tiny in the grand scheme of things, if we were actualy that big, then intel would be paying more attention to us. the truth is that we are still just a bunch of voltmodding, bios flashing, overclocking enthusiasts, and we are a niche market, and the only reason we are bigger than we used to be is because the entire computer industry is bigger than it used to be, but we are still a tiny niche market. Intel is catering to the OEM market, cause taht is where they have the biggest footing. the Extreeme Editions are for people who dont know any better, and have money to waste IMO, not for enthusiasts, i mean, what do the majority of us do? we buy a winchester or lower end pressy/NW and overclock it as far as the silicon will go, and call it a day after spending 150-200 dollars, not spend 850-1k on a chip when the performance increase (and the overclocking potential increase) are so small. and if you think that the majority of poeple on this board and all other hardware boards dont know what the BIOS is or are overclocking with nTune, you're dead wrong. i never use software OC'ing tools, and alot of other people dont either... the BIOS is what im used too and thats the way its going to stay :p
 
lithium726 said:
we are still tiny in the grand scheme of things, if we were actualy that big, then intel would be paying more attention to us. the truth is that we are still just a bunch of voltmodding, bios flashing, overclocking enthusiasts, and we are a niche market, and the only reason we are bigger than we used to be is because the entire computer industry is bigger than it used to be, but we are still a tiny niche market. Intel is catering to the OEM market, cause taht is where they have the biggest footing. the Extreeme Editions are for people who dont know any better, and have money to waste IMO, not for enthusiasts, i mean, what do the majority of us do? we buy a winchester or lower end pressy/NW and overclock it as far as the silicon will go, and call it a day after spending 150-200 dollars, not spend 850-1k on a chip when the performance increase (and the overclocking potential increase) are so small. and if you think that the majority of poeple on this board and all other hardware boards dont know what the BIOS is or are overclocking with nTune, you're dead wrong. i never use software OC'ing tools, and alot of other people dont either... the BIOS is what im used too and thats the way its going to stay :p

Amen
 
lithium726 said:
we are still tiny in the grand scheme of things, if we were actualy that big, then intel would be paying more attention to us. the truth is that we are still just a bunch of voltmodding, bios flashing, overclocking enthusiasts, and we are a niche market, and the only reason we are bigger than we used to be is because the entire computer industry is bigger than it used to be, but we are still a tiny niche market. Intel is catering to the OEM market, cause taht is where they have the biggest footing. the Extreeme Editions are for people who dont know any better, and have money to waste IMO, not for enthusiasts, i mean, what do the majority of us do? we buy a winchester or lower end pressy/NW and overclock it as far as the silicon will go, and call it a day after spending 150-200 dollars, not spend 850-1k on a chip when the performance increase (and the overclocking potential increase) are so small. and if you think that the majority of poeple on this board and all other hardware boards dont know what the BIOS is or are overclocking with nTune, you're dead wrong. i never use software OC'ing tools, and alot of other people dont either... the BIOS is what im used too and thats the way its going to stay :p
The bios is for hardcore people like us.
 
so, how much approx are these dual cores going to cost? will they be like, fx-55 prices, or more moderate pricing. i was thinking about getting a 3200 90nm this summer if i can get the money, but if they do make a dual core with pricing similar to 3200's, not that they'll be that low, but if they make lower end ones with good oc's then i'll definately get that instead.

anyone know about pricing and how many different ones they will be releasing, or any estimates on when that information will be released.
 
lithium726 said:
instead, they went with the hot, slow, and inefficient willamette.

hey! sounds like the northwood vs prescott thing goin on now! :rolleyes:

northwood = effecient and cool
prescott = ineffecient and HOT
:rolleyes:
people do make the same mistake twice :eek:
 
JonnyK said:
so, how much approx are these dual cores going to cost? will they be like, fx-55 prices, or more moderate pricing. i was thinking about getting a 3200 90nm this summer if i can get the money, but if they do make a dual core with pricing similar to 3200's, not that they'll be that low, but if they make lower end ones with good oc's then i'll definately get that instead.

anyone know about pricing and how many different ones they will be releasing, or any estimates on when that information will be released.


a good rule of thumb.. if you have to ask, you cant afford it anyway. ;)

but seriously.. im sure they are gonna be very high end when the come out.
 
so, how much approx are these dual cores going to cost? will they be like, fx-55 prices, or more moderate pricing. i was thinking about getting a 3200 90nm this summer if i can get the money, but if they do make a dual core with pricing similar to 3200's, not that they'll be that low, but if they make lower end ones with good oc's then i'll definately get that instead.
lower end will be moderate, if intel's preliminary prices have anything to say about it. if AMD debuted the dual core chips at FX-55 prices, everyone who wanted some SMP goodness would have to go with Intel, and AMD is not going to like that. i predict low end dual cores to be ~300

hey! sounds like the northwood vs prescott thing goin on now!
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northwood = effecient and cool
prescott = ineffecient and HOT
rolleyes.gif

people do make the same mistake twice
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you and i have very different definitions of effcient ;)

i do completly agree with you however, prescott is a failure IMO
 
this will be a good excuse for me to get rid of my 3200+. does 2550 though so im only moderetly complaining ATM.
 
Tyrant222 said:
this will be a good excuse for me to get rid of my 3200+. does 2550 though so im only moderetly complaining ATM.

thats a good pace for an axp. nothing to be ashamed of. mine is around the same speed. :)
 
lithium726 said:
lower end will be moderate, if intel's preliminary prices have anything to say about it. if AMD debuted the dual core chips at FX-55 prices, everyone who wanted some SMP goodness would have to go with Intel, and AMD is not going to like that. i predict low end dual cores to be ~300


you and i have very different definitions of effcient ;)

i do completly agree with you however, prescott is a failure IMO

i meant ineffecient compared to the northwood (ive heard northwoods perform much better...but i dont know first hand)
 
4b5eN+EE said:
i meant ineffecient compared to the northwood (ive heard northwoods perform much better...but i dont know first hand)

it depends on what speed the cores are run at... i think a prescot above 4.3-4.4ghz is more effective than a northwood at the same speed. the northwood is faster at lower speeds.

i say "i think" ... i am 99.9% sure.
 
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