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AMD CPU + AMD cards = Better?

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IIvII

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I've heard some sales rhetoric that AMD cpu's paired with AMD video cards perform better. Has there been any real testing done recently to prove this to be true or false? In theory It's totally probable. It wouldn't be the first time a company in the industry intentionally made their product more efficient when used in combination.

Also, I'd like to ask the same for an intel+nvidia setup.
 
Nonsense. Amd cards will perform better with the fastest cpu, and right now that isn't AMD.
 
IIvII said:
I've heard some sales rhetoric that AMD cpu's paired with AMD video cards perform better. Has there been any real testing done recently to prove this to be true or false? In theory It's totally probable. It wouldn't be the first time a company in the industry intentionally made their product more efficient when used in combination.

Also, I'd like to ask the same for an intel+nvidia setup.
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When has this been done? These conspiracy theories have always been ridiculous. I remember when some said the same about nforce + geforce(which is funny because there was actually a notorious stuttering bug whenever a nforce3 chipset and a gefforce 6-series card were paired).
 
I was referring to the computer industry, not video card companies specifically.
 
There is no way this would make sense from AMDs perspective. Intel is the dominant player in the CPU market. Intentionally crippling AMD video card performance when paired with Intel chipsets/cpus would be extremely detrimental to AMD. And despite recent success, Nvidia still carries stronger branding in the video card market as well. If given the choice of Intel/Nvidia vs. AMD/AMD, most casual consumers would pick Intel/Nvidia. Not being the leader in either market, makes no sense for them to do this.

As a side, Nvidia does artificially restrict hardware physx support. Not directly performance, but similar principle.
 
KaizerDan said:
Dont be in denial... crap like that happens in any industry/business. your pal jesus doesnt dictate how companies run :p
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No benchmarks have ever made a correlation that pieces of hardware from the same manufacturer were specifically optimized for each other. I can't believe these stupid conspiracy theories are still around I thought they died years ago.
 
As far as the question goes itself I think it's a very fair question to ask, and I'd expect those with lesser knowledge on the subject to ask it often, now with AMD branding on the cards it only makes the question more reasonable to ask.

@limitedaccess: using that argument wouldn't it then be more beneficial for Nvidia and Intel to optimize their product to muscle AMD further out of the market?

I'm not asking for opinion or theories on it I'd like to know if thorough studies have been performed recently to prove/disprove this question. If so can you guys please provide the source?
 
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Some 680i mobos would automatically overclock the PCI-E bus 25% if a 8800 series card was detected...but that's the only example I can really think of.

I agree with Yoda though. The faster and more powerful the CPU is, the better the GPU will perform.
 
IIvII said:
As far as the question goes itself I think it's a very fair question to ask, and I'd expect those with lesser knowledge on the subject to ask it often, now with AMD branding on the cards it only makes the question more reasonable to ask.

@limitedaccess: using that argument wouldn't it then be more beneficial for Nvidia and Intel to optimize their product to muscle AMD further out of the market?

I'm not asking for opinion or theories on it I'd like to know if thorough studies have been performed recently to prove/disprove this question. If so can you guys please provide the source?
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Intel and Nvidia actually have worse relations then Intel and AMD. And in recent years Intel has been trying to make in roads into Nvidia's territory (improved graphics, discrete graphics), while Nvidia has been trying to move into Intel's (GPUPU, rumored CPU developments). There is also the issue that Intel is perhaps the second most watched technology company (behind Microsoft) for anti-trust violations.

Think about it from AMDs perspective. Most of there customers use Intel CPUs. Most of there potential customers use Intel CPUs. Most reviewers now currently use Intel CPUs. The only worse thing they could from a business perspective would be to cripple performance in Windows to release there own Linux distro :p

As for testing, this would be impossible to do. You can't get an exactly the same performing AMD and Intel platform aside from the GPU, so any minor variations in performance would be unattributable to this issue.
 
@limitedaccess Thanks. I had always thought Intel and Nvidia had a strong relationship but I haven't paid attention in a long time.

I don't think testing would be impossible but it certainly wouldn't be exact either. You would want to test the videocards to the closest in performance CPU's possible or vise versa. I know it would be a challenge to try and benchmark something like this but I think it could be done given a certain leeway. Perhaps the leeway required would make the study unsubstantial.
 
Right now it makes no difference. Buy whatever combination CPU/GPU you wish - nothing is optimized for one or the other.
 
Hi,
I will say this, my all AMD system (Phenom II, 780G chipset and HD5870) may not be the fastest system, but it is one of my most stable systems I've built in >15 years. It just works and that makes me happy.
 
IIvII said:
@limitedaccess Thanks. I had always thought Intel and Nvidia had a strong relationship but I haven't paid attention in a long time.
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Well right now they are in a very big lawsuit with each other. Although I doubt amd is in a much better position with intel because they were just in a huge lawsuit over intel using anti competitive practices to limit amd processor sales and amd won.
 
firewarrior said:
itll be better with 2x cards since the newer amd boards dont have sli :( and hack is bleh
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Anyone know why? I never looked into why amd board don't support sli. Nvidia doesn't want to support amd boards because they want you buying their (nvidia) amd chipsets? or Amd doesn't allow it?
 
munkle said:
Anyone know why? I never looked into why amd board don't support sli. Nvidia doesn't want to support amd boards because they want you buying their (nvidia) amd chipsets? or Amd doesn't allow it?
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It's an Nvidia driver restriction. IIRC AMD refused to pay up to put an sli sticker on boxes, so Nvidia does a quick vendor check and disables sli on non-approved boards.
 
blksnake said:
Hi,
I will say this, my all AMD system (Phenom II, 780G chipset and HD5870) may not be the fastest system, but it is one of my most stable systems I've built in >15 years. It just works and that makes me happy.
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Stable? Just wondering, at any point in the last 15 years did you use Windows 9x as an OS? :p

Newer operating system releases tend to be more stable than the one before, making your computer hardware look more reliable.
 
Yoda4561 said:
It's an Nvidia driver restriction. IIRC AMD refused to pay up to put an sli sticker on boxes, so Nvidia does a quick vendor check and disables sli on non-approved boards.
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sad sad days

if ati cards ever fold properly i will use them
 
munkle said:
Well right now they are in a very big lawsuit with each other. Although I doubt amd is in a much better position with intel because they were just in a huge lawsuit over intel using anti competitive practices to limit amd processor sales and amd won.
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Intel and AMDs relationship is a bit funny. On one hand they are competitors in each others primary market, and AMD has been negatively impacted by some questionable business practices used by Intel. On the other hand they have various positive relationships with each other, such as x86-64 licensing, that they are dependent on.

AMD actually settled with Intel somewhat amicably, and AMD also withdrew its anti-trust complaint against Intel.

Before the AMD/ATI merger, I believe ATI actually themselves were more "aligned" with Intel.

Nvidia and Intel well - http://www.intelsinsides.com/page/com_20.html
 
AMD drivers aren't even optimized for working properly with older cards. I couldn't really see them not being able to make stable drivers, yet making CPU/GPU combinations work better. As someone said, intel makes faster CPUs that outsell AMD massively, would be silly to cripple themselves for 70% (or more) of the market.
 
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