AMD Confuses me - Sub $600 Build

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1) What will you be doing with this PC? Gaming? Photoshop? Web browsing? - Web, Some Gaming
2) What's your budget? Are tax and shipping included? $500-600
3) Where do you live? Charlotte, NC
4) What exact parts do you need for that budget? CPU, RAM, case, etc. Please be very specific. - I can arrange KBAM, and Optical Drives, I need everything else.
5) If reusing any parts, what parts will you be reusing? Please be especially specific about the power supply. List make and model. - NONE
6) Will you be overclocking? NO
7) What size monitor do you have and/or plan to have? NONE atm, 19" widescreen would be nice.
8) When do you plan on building/buying the PC? ASAP
9) What features do you need in a motherboard? RAID? Firewire? Crossfire or SLI support? etc. - No advanced features, PCI-X 2.0
10) Do you already have a legit and reusable/transferable OS key/license? Yes

I haven't done a build since LGA775 was in style and built my own. This is for a friend, he'd like to stay $600 or lower. He's not a big gamer, but he does enjoy to play games when he gets a chance to. Some FPS, most likely RTS and RPG's. I was thinking for his budget we should stick to a 19" widescreen so we can go cheaper on a video card.

I had my eye on this combo http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.304695but not sure about that video card since it has DDR2 and not DDR3 and how much of a difference it will really make. Now that DDR2 is dead end and LGA775 and AM2 is a dead socket as well, I'm just so confused on how to build a budget rig using AMD, since there's so many different kinds... pretty frustrating. :confused:

I'm not worried about speakers I can deal with him on that later. He would be fine with around 320GB of disk space or more I would assume. I seen a Viewsonic on Newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116095 for $119.

Any advice for someone that will be playing games a little bit, but is not in any way an enthusiast?
 
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Thanks for the PC, but I refuse to buy machines like that. Failed motherboards and PSU's plague these machines. I would prefer to build my own.
 
MSI 770-C45 AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130228
$79.99

AMD Athlon II X3 425 Rana 2.7GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103726
$76.99

Rosewill R102-P-BK 120mm Fan MicroATX Mid Tower
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147111
$29.99

Western Digital Caviar Green WD6400AACS 640GB 7200 RPM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136298
$59.99

Patriot G Series ‘Sector 5’ Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220435
$89.99 79.99 after rebate DAMN DDR3 getting expensive fast

SCEPTRE X226W-1920 Black 21.5" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824112017
$139.99

CORSAIR CMPSU-400CX 400W ATX12V V2.2 80 PLUS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139008
$49.99 39.99 after rebate

HIS H483FN512P Radeon HD 4830 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161260&cm_re=4830-_-14-161-260-_-Product
$89.99


total $616.92 minus 30 if u get rebates

this was quick and dirty no combo savings wasnt a whole lot of options really on sale right now.


could buy used and save on the videocard get a 4870 for 100 bucks on forums.
 
How does the 4830 compare to the 4670 w/ DDR3? I could save another $20 by getting the 19" widescreen Viewsonic as well.
 
meh 19 inch is just so small imo /shrug 4670 is perfectly capable at 19 inch resolution though. I tend to try and take advantage of entire budget allowed. but definately shave another 80 bucks off this by downgrading the vid and monitor along with cheaper ram.
 
Here's one feeble attempt. $610.91 before shipping.

59.99 COOLER MASTER RC-690 Case
54.99 500GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.12
28.99 LITE-ON CD/DVD Burner
76.99 AMD Athlon II X3 425 95W Processor
79.99 ASUS M4A785M AM3 785G mATX Motherboard
54.99 2GB G.SKILL DDR3-1333
119.99 ASUS VW198T Black 19" LCD Monitor
54.99 POWERCOLOR Radeon HD 4650
79.99 ENERMAX Liberty ELT400AWT-ECO 400W PSU

SUB 610.91
TOTAL 635.369
 
I think I got it figured out I used a lot of parts Dajet recommended. Thanks guys.
 
Build 1

Athlon X2 240 Regor 2.8ghz + Radeon HD 4830 + 19” Viewsonic LCD


Rosewill R102-P-BK MicroATX for $29.99 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147111

Corsair 400CX 400W for $49.99 ($15 MIR) w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139008

GIGABYTE GA-MA785GM-US2H AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 785G HDMI Micro ATX for $79.99 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128394

AMD Athlon II X2 240 Regor 2.8GHZ for $58.99 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103688

HIS Radeon HD 4830 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161260

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 for $74.99 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231122

Seagate Barracuda 500GB Sata Drive for $54.99 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148395

Viewsonic Series 19” LCD for $119.99 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116095

Total: $558.92 w/shipping



Build 2

Athlon X2 250 Regor 3.0ghz + Radeon HD 4770 + 19” Viewsonic LCD


Rosewill R102-P-BK MicroATX for $29.99 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147111

Corsair 400CX 400W for $49.99 ($15 MIR) w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139008

GIGABYTE GA-MA785GM-US2H AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 785G HDMI Micro ATX for $79.99 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128394

XFX Radeon HD 4770 + AMD Athlon X2 250 Regor 3.0GHZ both for $172.98 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.300856

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 for $74.99 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231122

Seagate Barracuda 500GB Sata Drive for $54.99 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148395

Viewsonic Series 19” LCD for $119.99 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116095

Total: $582.92 w/shipping



Build 3

Athlon X4 620 Propus 2.6ghz + Radeon HD 4830 + 19” Viewsonic LCD


Rosewill R102-P-BK MicroATX for $29.99 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147111

Corsair 400CX 400W for $49.99 ($15 MIR) w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139008

AMD Athlon II X4 620 propus 2.6Ghz + ASUS M4A785-M AM3/AM2+/AM2 785G Micro ATX for $158.99 + $7.56 shipping on mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.304701

HIS Radeon HD 4830 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161260

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 for $74.99 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231122

Seagate Barracuda 500GB Sata Drive for $54.99 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148395

Viewsonic Series 19” LCD for $119.99 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116095

Total: $578.93 + $7.56 shipping = $586.49 w/shipping



Build 4

Athlon X2 240 Regor 2.8ghz + Radeon HD 4830 + 22” LG Flatron LCD


Rosewill R102-P-BK MicroATX for $29.99 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147111

Corsair 400CX 400W for $49.99 ($15 MIR) w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139008

AMD Athlon II X2 240 Regor 2.8GHz for $58.99 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103688

GIGABYTE GA-MA785GM-US2H AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 785G HDMI Micro ATX for $79.99 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128394

HIS Radeon HD 4830 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161260

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 for $74.99 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231122

Seagate Barracuda 500GB Sata Drive for $54.99 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148395

LG W2242T-BF 22” LCD for $159.99 w/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005132

Total: $598.92 w/shipping

*If you have an optical drive already then reuse that.
 
Wow thanks a ton Guru... that helps a lot. Ya know, AMD should make it easier for budget builders. Keep it simple like Intel does! :)
 
The 4830 and 4770 share he same number of sp, however, the 4830 has a bigger memory bus.

On the other hand, the 4770 is 40nm compared to the 4830's 55nm.

I don't recall right now, but the 4830 got whopped by one of the stranger 47xx cards.
 
I'd go with HG's build that includes the HD4830 and DDR3. Wait, what? no DDR3 build HG?!?! :( lol.

If you go with any of HG's builds, get the Samsung F3 500GB instead of the cuda... its faster. Definitely avoid using a Green WD drive as the OS drive.

AMD is easy... stick with AM3 Athlon2/Phenom2 CPUs, X2, X3, or X4, whichever is within your budget. 785G if you need onboard HD video decoding/light minimal gaming, or 770 w/ DDR3 for budget w/ gamer vidcard. A DDR3 mobo would be a better choice if the price was similar to a DDR2 board, since DDR2 is way overpriced, since it now costs the same as DDR3 (used to be half its current price, 1.5 months ago).
 
I'd go with HG's build that includes the HD4830 and DDR3. Wait, what? no DDR3 build HG?!?! :( lol.

If you go with any of HG's builds, get the Samsung F3 500GB instead of the cuda... its faster. Definitely avoid using a Green WD drive as the OS drive.

AMD is easy... stick with AM3 Athlon2/Phenom2 CPUs, X2, X3, or X4, whichever is within your budget. 785G if you need onboard HD video decoding/light minimal gaming, or 770 w/ DDR3 for budget w/ gamer vidcard. A DDR3 mobo would be a better choice if the price was similar to a DDR2 board, since DDR2 is way overpriced, since it now costs the same as DDR3 (used to be half its current price, 1.5 months ago).

Also good information, thanks a bunch. I think i'm going to go witha DDR3 build that way in case he wants to put more memory in there he's not spending a King's Ransom for it.
 
I'm going to bed for now, I think he's purchasing tomorrow, I'll post my final cart in here in what I go with.
 
Wait! Don't buy anything yet. Let me throw in several under $600 builds

lol bastage always likes to rain in my my builds :D

I still think my build with a full AM3 board and ddr3 ram is a good choice. Tricore is worth the extra core imo.

course you will have a functional pc with any of the builds mentioned. I would try and use the 4830 vid card though or buy a used on on the forums 4870 good card for $100 in the fs area.
 
This is what I ended up coming up with, I was able to squeeze in Windows 7 64 bit into the budget, I went a little bit over... Let me know what you all think.

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$653 after shipping and everything. The Samsung F3 is OOS currently. Should this be a good setup for him?
 
It's a good setup, but I would really recommend against getting the monitor from newegg because of their atrocious LCD return policy.
 
i agree on that. newegg's monitor dead pixel warranty is trash. maybe try a local store near you. Cosco, bestbuy, walmart n such.
 
honostly i realize u managed to squeeze in a OS bu seems like you built a weaker comp for the same price if not more then my build. weaker cpu, weaker GPU, weaker power, smaller monitor, less ram... i guess i dont see how this build is a better alternative to the one i posted. Its weaker then hardguru's builds aswell.
 
honostly i realize u managed to squeeze in a OS bu seems like you built a weaker comp for the same price if not more then my build. weaker cpu, weaker GPU, weaker power, smaller monitor, less ram... i guess i dont see how this build is a better alternative to the one i posted. Its weaker then hardguru's builds aswell.

I ended up needing an OS...
 
I ended up switching out the X2 with the X3, removed the Monitor. Best Buy has a 20" for the same price, and upgraded the case to the CoolerMaster RC-590.
 
I ended up switching out the X2 with the X3, removed the Monitor. Best Buy has a 20" for the same price, and upgraded the case to the CoolerMaster RC-590.

i think the xtra core will be worth it. i woulda shaved 20 bucks somewhere else and gotton the full 4gb ram also since your using 64bit OS
 
Built the system last night, everything went well and as planned. Windows 7 runs like a dream on it, I did not have to install 1 driver. Of course, I had to pull the newest ones from the Windows Update... but wow, it was a good experience overall.
 
Built the system last night, everything went well and as planned. Windows 7 runs like a dream on it, I did not have to install 1 driver. Of course, I had to pull the newest ones from the Windows Update... but wow, it was a good experience overall.

Nice!
 
I just got some with my iphone, not the best... but I can get em up here later tonight!

Random question... What is this "unganged mode"? I'm an AMD newb... haven't worked with them since S939.
 
Ganged is dual channel. Use it.

It's in Dual Channel, but it still says Unganged on the POST splash.

EDIT: I verified the dual channel, because when I booted it up for first time, I ran CPU-z and it was single channel. Then I switched RAM around and now running in dual channel.
 
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