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AlphaCool Ready2Go Stacker HELP/ADVICE

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EnJoY120 said:
What are you talking about? Where in in my entire history of posting did I ever mention anything about a bare aluminum block? Seriously kid, I've forgotten more about watercooling than you'll ever know in your life. </anger>
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lol i love how you think im a kid, and not to mention your lack brains when it comes to annodized aluminum blocks and how long it would take to for an annodized aluminum block to corrode.

please keep this up im one step away from taking your last leg to stand on ;)
 
Derrick70 said:
lol i love how you think im a kid, and not to mention your lack brains when it comes to annodized aluminum blocks and how long it would take to for an annodized aluminum block to corrode.

please keep this up im one step away from taking your last leg to stand on ;)
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Lol, just another sign of your inexperience, keep giving me ammo and I'll keep firing back. Most experienced watercoolers know from EXPERIENCE that he annodizing used on the aluminum in watercooling products wears off over time. Even the best, highest quality anodizing (or anolokk) from the likes of Swiftech or C-Systems has been shown to wear off on their MCW50 waterblocks and CSP MAKII pumps, respectively.

So, if you would please go back to cleaning the dust out of your volcano heatsink I would be most grateful.
 
Everyone here should know that I never intended to start this debate. My intention, as it stands for all my posts, was simply to offer good advice or help. I admit that in doing so I may have come off as harsh, but this was not my intention and if I could go back now, my first post would probably be worded a lot differently. However, in no way do I take back any of my comments in my posts following the first, and I still stand by the statement that my proposed setup would perform markedly better than one of the setups in the thread starters links.

I'm going to leave this thread now as it's gotten out of hand. If any of you would like to continue this discussion with me individually, you can find me on AIM (profile) or at XtremeSystems forums.
 
EnJoY120 said:
Lol, just another sign of your inexperience, keep giving me ammo and I'll keep firing back. Most experienced watercoolers know from EXPERIENCE that he annodizing used on the aluminum in watercooling products wears off over time. Even the best, highest quality anodizing (or anolokk) from the likes of Swiftech or C-Systems has been shown to wear off on their MCW50 waterblocks and CSP MAKII pumps, respectively.

So, if you would please go back to cleaning the dust out of your volcano heatsink I would be most grateful.
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Anodizing and etching is an electro-chemical process that creates a corrosion-resistant surface that is bonded into the base aluminum

Anodizing is the controlled oxidation of aluminum using an electro-chemical process to create a porous surface that is receptive to color dying. A sealer is then applied, creating a surface that is corrosion-resistant and nearly diamond hard. The result is an abrasion-resistant material that will never peel, chip or flake - regardless of age or weather.
 
Derrick70 said:
Anodizing and etching is an electro-chemical process that creates a corrosion-resistant surface that is bonded into the base aluminum

Anodizing is the controlled oxidation of aluminum using an electro-chemical process to create a porous surface that is receptive to color dying. A sealer is then applied, creating a surface that is corrosion-resistant and nearly diamond hard. The result is an abrasion-resistant material that will never peel, chip or flake - regardless of age or weather.
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sounds like you could very well be quoting someone's PR release........

on a purely practical level, if you don't clean the machining oils off of the part as well as you should, or turn the power source up too high, or make a mistake putting on the sealer or...... any of which will help speed up the process a bit, but create a finish that is flawed and will start to corrode.

i'm not saying that it has happened to A-C gear, however they are not infallible and other reputable companies have made mistakes of that sort.
 
EnJoY120 said:
I'm going to leave this thread now as it's gotten out of hand. If any of you would like to continue this discussion with me individually, you can find me on AIM (profile) or at XtremeSystems forums.
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Thank you as you have done enough here to prove you are clueless. Don't let the door hit you......
 
is it just me or does every thread that ends up going into a debate about low-flow v high-flow fall out in EXACTLY the same way as every other one?

I mean, first you have a high-flow guy advocating the use of american-style and americna made products, stating the greater performance.

Then a low-flow guy comes in and says that what the other guy said was BS and low-flow setups perform just as well as any other based on "real world" experience.

Angry retorts are passed back and forth

Then the High-flow guys go into SIMPLE explanations of why low-flow can never acheive teh same performance as high flow as well as reasons why "real-world" experience isn't a reliale testing method.

Low-flow guys say, "but my system..."

High-flow guys say that is bunk

other pointless topics are introduced into the discussion

Everyone is pissed off

thread gets locked.

So if we can skip the last two steps and actually help ths guy get a new WC system, that would be great.

Important thigns to remember when selecting your WC gear: buying german stuff sually means a long wait time to actually get it, there are better pumps for cheaper usually.

Maybee the Op should go for some german blocks with a high-flow mentality on the pumps and tubing behind them. Then we can see relatively how well they perform.
 
Punx_Clever said:
Everyone is pissed off
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The ones typically pissed are the ones who have not tried both ways and continue to believe in a therory OR can't afford said products. Tell me one person in the world who runs the same radiator, pump, tubing, valves, flow meters, sensors, etc in their loop as a die simulated review? Not one. Does that tell me how well it will work with everyting different? NO. I can guess, but never be sure until it is in my rig.
 
DFI Daishi said:
sounds like you could very well be quoting someone's PR release........

on a purely practical level, if you don't clean the machining oils off of the part as well as you should, or turn the power source up too high, or make a mistake putting on the sealer or...... any of which will help speed up the process a bit, but create a finish that is flawed and will start to corrode.

i'm not saying that it has happened to A-C gear, however they are not infallible and other reputable companies have made mistakes of that sort.
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ya that is a PR i deal a lot with aluminum billit parts for trucks and i know first hand what has to go in to the maching of the parts and yes their can be flaws in some areas more than others. but you cant give a company a bad rep or say that the parts are prone to failure. now if the company dont fix the problem then they are part of the problem.
 
R1ckCa1n said:
The ones typically pissed are the ones who have not tried both ways and continue to believe in a therory OR can't afford said products. Tell me one person in the world who runs the same radiator, pump, tubing, valves, flow meters, sensors, etc in their loop as a die simulated review? Not one. Does that tell me how well it will work with everyting different? NO. I can guess, but never be sure until it is in my rig.
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I thought we had moved past only trusting what we can touch, or what we believe in. I thought with the end of the dark ages we started, you know, believing in science. Guess I was wrong?

OP : Just to reiterate what has been said many times, you said your in the states and that you want something for performance. You are probably best off going with an american system unless you absolutly must have the looks or the frivilous features offered by some of the euro setups.
 
Erasmus354 said:
I thought we had moved past only trusting what we can touch, or what we believe in. I thought with the end of the dark ages we started, you know, believing in science. Guess I was wrong?
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That ended after the one and only Danger Den block I bought. Now it is show me the performance and then I will believe.
 
Derrick70 said:
ya that is a PR i deal a lot with aluminum billit parts for trucks and i know first hand what has to go in to the maching of the parts and yes their can be flaws in some areas more than others. but you cant give a company a bad rep or say that the parts are prone to failure. now if the company dont fix the problem then they are part of the problem.
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i didn't try to give the company a bad rep for that, and i don't intend to try and do so. i have not read reports of people having that sort of problem with A-C parts.

personally, i don't like the practice of deliberately combining parts with differing galvanic potentials in the same loop. i think that all parts should be copper, brass and plastic. A-C and other manufactures use Al because it looks nice, and users want that look. something that i would kind of like to see would be brass construction, with a nickle plated satin finish on the top surface.

it's probably just more economical for them to build with Al and electroplate it heavily, however i'm simply noting what i would prefer, if i was seriously looking at purchasing one.

so, you work with automotive parts.....do you get as big a laugh as i do out of nissan hyping molybdenum coatings on certain engine parts?
 
DFI Daishi said:
i didn't try to give the company a bad rep for that, and i don't intend to try and do so. i have not read reports of people having that sort of problem with A-C parts.

personally, i don't like the practice of deliberately combining parts with differing galvanic potentials in the same loop. i think that all parts should be copper, brass and plastic. A-C and other manufactures use Al because it looks nice, and users want that look. something that i would kind of like to see would be brass construction, with a nickle plated satin finish on the top surface.

it's probably just more economical for them to build with Al and electroplate it heavily, however i'm simply noting what i would prefer, if i was seriously looking at purchasing one.

so, you work with automotive parts.....do you get as big a laugh as i do out of nissan hyping molybdenum coatings on certain engine parts?
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The Cuplex XT middle plate is just that, Nickle plated Brass.....unless I am mistaken but I am pretty sure that is the case.
 
Erasmus354 said:
The Cuplex XT middle plate is just that, Nickle plated Brass.....unless I am mistaken but I am pretty sure that is the case.
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It's a type of stainless steel. As you may or may not know, stainless steel comes in a variety of forms. We can only hope that they used one that doesn't attack copper or brass.

p.s. came back just for s second to answer this, I won't bother answering any of the remarks from the other users. It seems some other posters are carrying on where I left off anyhow which is good.
 
EnJoY120 said:
It's a type of stainless steel. As you may or may not know, stainless steel comes in a variety of forms. We can only hope that they used one that doesn't attack copper or brass.

p.s. came back just for s second to answer this, I won't bother answering any of the remarks from the other users. It seems some other posters are carrying on where I left off anyhow which is good.
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"As the water enters the intake fitting it then gets accelerated as it is pushed through small holes in a nickel plated brass center block."

Taken from sharka describing the XT
 
DFI Daishi said:
so, you work with automotive parts.....do you get as big a laugh as i do out of nissan hyping molybdenum coatings on certain engine parts?
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i didnt hear about the nissan molybdenum coatings. but I only work on custom trucks and the majority of them are S10 and sonomas mini trucks. so i dont get to hear every thing i should.
 
Erasmus354 said:
"As the water enters the intake fitting it then gets accelerated as it is pushed through small holes in a nickel plated brass center block."

Taken from sharka describing the XT
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Lol, I stand corrected. Maxxxracer and I thought it was stainless steel all along.
 
EnJoY120 said:
Lol, I stand corrected. Maxxxracer and I thought it was stainless steel all along.
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I have to ask.... Why is it that you have to name drop when referring to things? btw: who is maxx?
 
Sorry, it's force of habbit I suppose. I post at XS ten times more than I post here, and everyone sort of knows each other around there, so I mention names a lot so people know who I'm talking about. Guess I accidentally carried it over here, sorry for the confusion.
 
R1ckCa1n said:
I have to ask.... Why is it that you have to name drop when referring to things? btw: who is maxx?
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Maxxxracer is a cat lover and a very active member of the XS watercooling scene ;) (Then again half of XS is cat crazy)
 
Erasmus354 said:
Maxxxracer is a cat lover and a very active member of the XS watercooling scene ;) (Then again half of XS is cat crazy)
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Haha, how true that is. :p
 
Erasmus354 said:
I thought we had moved past only trusting what we can touch, or what we believe in. I thought with the end of the dark ages we started, you know, believing in science. Guess I was wrong?
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Everything was fine until the spin doctors took over the world. :D Meet Erasmus (Spin) 354. :cool:
 
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