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AGP 2600XT

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QuadDragon

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Anyone heard anything on the AGP version of the 2600? I currently have an nividia geforece 6600 Ultra OC but Id like to update to a somewhat faster card for agp. I hear the nvidia agp cards are going to take awhile yet. surely the 2600xt would be better than a single 7950 nvidia especially that it can play agp 10 games.
 
Im pretty sure the 2600xt gets owned my the 7950 in terms of performance, but then again, no DX10.
 
AeriaGloris said:
Im pretty sure the 2600xt gets owned my the 7950 in terms of performance, but then again, no DX10.
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Well according to AMD / ATI's documentation the AGP 2x00 cards don't support DX10 either (at least not initially). From here:
ATI Radeon™ HD 2600 and ATI Radeon™ 2400 AGP cards will not support DirectX® 10 at launch. AMD plans for a driver update in the future to enable DirectX 10 support in these AGP cards.
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I don't see where the interest in the AGP 2x00 cards is coming from other than from a HTPC standpoint since they're pretty sorry on the gaming front.
 
I'd worry more about having motherboard support for Vista using an AGP motherboard. At least in the case of me, Nvidia doesn't support my nForce3 motherboard using Vista, so I'm dead in the water regardless.
 
Stereodude said:
I don't see where the interest in the AGP 2x00 cards is coming from other than from a HTPC standpoint since they're pretty sorry on the gaming front.
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That's exactly why I want one. For less than $100 (2400 model), I can upgrade my Pentium 4 2.8Ghz Northwood HTPC to a viable HD-playing rig. I was all set to build a new C2D since I thought I'd need more horsepower in addition to PCIe. Now I don't have to.

Robert
 
Valnar said:
That's exactly why I want one. For less than $100 (2400 model), I can upgrade my Pentium 4 2.8Ghz Northwood HTPC to a viable HD-playing rig. I was all set to build a new C2D since I thought I'd need more horsepower in addition to PCIe. Now I don't have to.
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And I realize for someone like you that's helpful, but I just can't see that many HTPC users (like yourself) out there waiting to snap up these cards, so I'm a little puzzled as to who is the real target market for AGP 2x00 cards.
 
Stereodude said:
I'm a little puzzled as to who is the real target market for AGP 2x00 cards.
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anyone with with an AGP motherboard that would like a cheap upgrade?

you can't look at the target market with such a narrow view (gaming only)..

i don't know really know how many AGP motherboards are left running, but i would imagine its a pretty good amount, some with onboard video only? some with really crappy agp video cards..
etc.. etc..

lets look for a minute just at the gaming world (which IMO this is a screwed view) provided by Steams survey, about 135k still are on AGP, which accounts for about 50% of the total



Just looking down, 107k are still on DX8 cards, while another 20k are on DX7 cards.. (and keep in mind that steam is going to be biased towards PCIe).. i would imagine those could potentially be your upgrade target audience..

it would actually be interesting to see a benchmark against say the GF6600, since the 6600 is pretty mucht eh dominant single card (from the steam survey)..
 
H-street said:
anyone with with an AGP motherboard that would like a cheap upgrade?

you can't look at the target market with such a narrow view (gaming only)..

i don't know really know how many AGP motherboards are left running, but i would imagine its a pretty good amount, some with onboard video only? some with really crappy agp video cards..
etc.. etc..
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Ok, but there are better performing (from a 3D standpoint) AGP cards, and there are cheaper AGP cards, so where exactly does that leave them? Are they targeting the uneducated masses who will see it's the newest and assume it's the best?

My desktop still has a AGP slot and I have a new AGP card on it's way to me (nVidia 7600GT) so I'm not unsympathetic to AGP users.
 
Stereodude said:
Ok, but there are better performing (from a 3D standpoint) AGP cards, and there are cheaper AGP cards, so where exactly does that leave them? Are they targeting the uneducated masses who will see it's the newest and assume it's the best?

My desktop still has a AGP slot and I have a new AGP card on it's way to me (nVidia 7600GT) so I'm not unsympathetic to AGP users.
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The target audience is anyone with an AGP slot to fill who doesn't game. Other than gamers, most people would be happy with a Radeon 7500, or any flavor of integrated Intel video from the last few years. Its not about performance, it's about an AGP slot to fill.

If I needed to build a PC for my grandmother, and for whatever reason I was stupid enough not to get integrated video, this would be the card for me. You have to have something in the motherboard to make it boot. The 2400Pro is the new low-end (even though some 9550 and 7000's exist in the market. Dunno why though. Possibly for older OS's?)

Robert
 
Stereodude said:
And I realize for someone like you that's helpful, but I just can't see that many HTPC users (like yourself) out there waiting to snap up these cards, so I'm a little puzzled as to who is the real target market for AGP 2x00 cards.
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One possible target market could very well be owners of Northwood-C (HT) based PCs considering Vista (especially if they already have 1 GB of DDR400 or more) with lower-end 9xxx-to-9800 Pro-type AGP cards that want to go to at least DX 9 (but want DX10 as an option) and for that reason aren't considering the X1650 series (and the X1950 series is too expensive).

With 1 GB (or more) of system RAM (even with a Northwood!) Vista honestly performs no worse than Windows XP for most tasks (and for some, it actually performs better); however, it *does* place increased demands on your graphics hardware. I finally retired my own AIW 9700 Pro after five years of hard service, and replaced with (naturally) another ATI card (specifically, the X1650 PRO in 512 MB AGP 8X trim). While the AIW had 128 MB of onboard RAM (actually, quite high in its day), the X1650 Pro-based replacement has 512 MB (EGads!); even better, all the RAM is DDR2 (compared to the AIW's then-typical DDR). With even an X1K-based AGP card, you can now have some serious *snap* in your applications (yes; even Vista's startup is noticeably quicker, and I haven't changed *any* settings from the old AIW, except to *increase* the AA/AF; I haven't begun playing with AVIVO yet).
 
Valnar said:
The target audience is anyone with an AGP slot to fill who doesn't game. Other than gamers, most people would be happy with a Radeon 7500, or any flavor of integrated Intel video from the last few years. Its not about performance, it's about an AGP slot to fill.

If I needed to build a PC for my grandmother, and for whatever reason I was stupid enough not to get integrated video, this would be the card for me. You have to have something in the motherboard to make it boot. The 2400Pro is the new low-end (even though some 9550 and 7000's exist in the market. Dunno why though. Possibly for older OS's?)

Robert
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Two words: casual gamers.

Not everybody plays a high-end game (and a surprising number of so-called A-list titles don't absolutely require AMD's or nV's latest and greatest to play at a decent resolution/refresh rate; case in point - I personally play C&C3 at 1024x768 with every detail setting, including AA/AF yanked to the ceiling, on a mildly overclocked P4 Northwood-C (2.6 overcranked to 2.85 GHz), and I'm doing this with Vista Ultimate, no less). Sounds wack, until you realize that C&C3 is actually refresh-rate locked to run no faster than 30 fps. Two other games on my hard drive (Guild Wars and C&C Generals: Zero Hour) I actually play at 1280x960 (the same resolution as my desktop) again, with every single detail setting cranked up to the ceiling (both games, especially Guild Wars, are still getting heavy play these days). Not only is this why there is interest in the HD2400/2600-series cards in AGP, it's why even the 7950GT AGP has shown up (and why I have the nasty suspiscion that an 8500 or even 8600-series AGP part is going to show up *this year*, probably in time for Yule).

Something to think very seriously about.
 
spartus4 said:
Stereodude said:
Well according to AMD / ATI's documentation the AGP 2x00 cards don't support DX10 either (at least not initially). From here:

The AGP Verion of the HD 2600 does support DX10, as a matter of fact Visiontek is already making them.


http://www.visiontek.com/products/cards/car
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Broken link

Visiontek site
HD2600 PRO 512

HD2600 PRO 256

Powercolor
HD2600 PRO 512MB

Probably looking at Mid August for a release but that is just a wild ass guess
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