"After bullishly hiking Xbox games to $80, Microsoft confirms U-turn starting with The Outer Worlds 2"

[DukenukemX]

You are wrong, Nintendo is very much the Apple of consoles. You mention the Wii U so much that if I had a dollar for every mention, well, I would have a lot of dollars (as if Apple has never had a flop)

The Wii U is a lesson that should have been learned by Nintendo, which Nintendo did with the Switch. The Switch 2 should have learned from Microsoft's Xbox One. To this day the Xbox One sold 58 million units while Sony sold over 117 million PS4's. The Xbox Series consoles have sold over 28 million units, which isn't great in 2025. You don't want to fuck with gamers access and ownership of games as Microsoft is busy trying to rebrand the Xbox franchise.

He can't let go of the one time Nintendo didn't generate boatloads of cash.

What if I told you it wasn't? While the Wii U sold 13.56 million, but the GameCube sold 21 million. Remember that the Playstation 2 sold over 150 million units during that time, which means the gaming audience has grown substantially in the 2000's. If it wasn't the GameCube then it's the N64, which sold 33 million units, during a time when Sony sold over 100 million for the Playstation. There's always the Virtual Boy, with 700,000 units. Historically, Nintendo hasn't been able to capture more than 1/3rd of the available gaming market, with the exception of the Wii and Switch. The Wii did everything right, as it was cheaper and finally had a proper disc drive. The Wii couldn't play 3rd party games like the Xbox 360 and the PS3, but it was $250 while the 360 was $400 and the PS3 was $500. Should sound familiar as that's what the Switch 1 did as it costed $300 while PS4 was $400 and Xbox One was $500... and then eventually $350 minus the Kinect. It didn't play all the games that the PS4 and Xbox One could but it was portable, which more than made up for it's shortcomings.

Gonna insert this when I can.

View: https://youtu.be/UqIqSi3iy8Y?si=jIZo9K98uVqCznJF

 

[rinaldo00]

The Wii U is a lesson that should have been learned by Nintendo, which Nintendo did with the Switch. The Switch 2 should have learned from Microsoft's Xbox One. To this day the Xbox One sold 58 million units while Sony sold over 117 million PS4's. The Xbox Series consoles have sold over 28 million units, which isn't great in 2025. You don't want to fuck with gamers access and ownership of games as Microsoft is busy trying to rebrand the Xbox franchise.

What if I told you it wasn't? While the Wii U sold 13.56 million, but the GameCube sold 21 million. Remember that the Playstation 2 sold over 150 million units during that time, which means the gaming audience has grown substantially in the 2000's. If it wasn't the GameCube then it's the N64, which sold 33 million units, during a time when Sony sold over 100 million for the Playstation. There's always the Virtual Boy, with 700,000 units. Historically, Nintendo hasn't been able to capture more than 1/3rd of the available gaming market, with the exception of the Wii and Switch. The Wii did everything right, as it was cheaper and finally had a proper disc drive. The Wii couldn't play 3rd party games like the Xbox 360 and the PS3, but it was $250 while the 360 was $400 and the PS3 was $500. Should sound familiar as that's what the Switch 1 did as it costed $300 while PS4 was $400 and Xbox One was $500... and then eventually $350 minus the Kinect. It didn't play all the games that the PS4 and Xbox One could but it was portable, which more than made up for it's shortcomings.

Gonna insert this when I can.

View: https://youtu.be/UqIqSi3iy8Y?si=jIZo9K98uVqCznJF

If I reply with a counter argument you will reply with another wall of text, 3 memes, and a video telling me why the Switch 2 will fail.

I'm done.

 

[1_rick]

another wall of text

It's like the Terminator of arguments, on every single Apple or Nintendo thread.

 

[rinaldo00]

It's like the Terminator of arguments, on every single Apple or Nintendo thread.

He must have a LOT of time on his hands

 

[ChadD]

What if I told you it wasn't? While the Wii U sold 13.56 million, but the GameCube sold 21 million. Remember that the Playstation 2 sold over 150 million units during that time, which means the gaming audience has grown substantially in the 2000's. If it wasn't the GameCube then it's the N64, which sold 33 million units, during a time when Sony sold over 100 million for the Playstation. There's always the Virtual Boy, with 700,000 units. Historically, Nintendo hasn't been able to capture more than 1/3rd of the available gaming market, with the exception of the Wii and Switch.

What if I told you. Your just reading the tea leaves wrong.
What happened was. A generation of gamers grew up and had children. Nostalgia, and gamers raising their own kids drive Nintendo sales today.
People that grew up playing Nintendo (Or earlier systems that are no longer around like Colleco, Intellivision, Atari which have no = in the market anymore) started having kids. People born in the late 70s-late 80s... now have kids. (some of us have grand kids) Can you play the latest grand theft auto in front of a 6 year old? (only if your a shitty parent) You can play Zelda in front of them... and Metroid. More important you can buy a ton of Nintendo games your fine with them playing and playing with them.

The game cube was a mild success, because the parents buying game cubes were still not gamers themselves at that point. They were more willing to buy their kids Playstations and Xboxes. The parents of today that grew up with Playstation 1-3 and the early xboxes. Guess what, they mostly know better. They still love video games but don't want their kids playing those games... buy em a switch buy em minecraft mario and zelda.

Switch marketing scratched all the important boxes. Hard Nostalgia, Check. Child Friendly, Check. A second screen so the kids don't want to use the TV all the time, CHECK. Parents who were gamers when looking for a system for their family... choose switch. IMO those are the 3 biggest factors. Playstation nostalgia... it unsells playstation on people buying systems for 8 year olds. Nintendo has a reputation as the company that makes games like Princess peach (which is a great game btw) and Splatoon instead of spalaterguts 3000. And then Nintendo wisely made it a handheld and a console all in one... familys can plug it into the TV and play together AND the kids can unplug it and not take over the telveision. Of course there are the 70-80s kids that buy switches for themselves as well... Nostalgia is a hell of a drug apparently. Most people have better/stronger memories of the NES and SNES games then the early playstation/xbox stuff. One thing Nintendo knows how to do is make memorable games.

On the Wii U that fail was a result of an overexposed Wii, and bad marketing on the U.

 

[1_rick]

What if I told you. Your just reading the tea leaves wrong.

Forget it, man, he never admits to being wrong, and just keeps trying to bury all argument with endless walls of text. It's like his mission in life is to hate on Nintendo and Apple.

Personally I'm sick of it and I'm sick of complaining about it and I don't want to get a warning so I'm going to look to see how to block someone so I just don't see his endless "contributions" to these threads.

 

[Wade88]

What if I told you. Your just reading the tea leaves wrong.
What happened was. A generation of gamers grew up and had children. Nostalgia, and gamers raising their own kids drive Nintendo sales today.
People that grew up playing Nintendo (Or earlier systems that are no longer around like Colleco, Intellivision, Atari which have no = in the market anymore) started having kids. People born in the late 70s-late 80s... now have kids. (some of us have grand kids) Can you play the latest grand theft auto in front of a 6 year old? (only if your a shitty parent) You can play Zelda in front of them... and Metroid. More important you can buy a ton of Nintendo games your fine with them playing and playing with them.

The game cube was a mild success, because the parents buying game cubes were still not gamers themselves at that point. They were more willing to buy their kids Playstations and Xboxes. The parents of today that grew up with Playstation 1-3 and the early xboxes. Guess what, they mostly know better. They still love video games but don't want their kids playing those games... buy em a switch buy em minecraft mario and zelda.

Switch marketing scratched all the important boxes. Hard Nostalgia, Check. Child Friendly, Check. A second screen so the kids don't want to use the TV all the time, CHECK. Parents who were gamers when looking for a system for their family... choose switch. IMO those are the 3 biggest factors. Playstation nostalgia... it unsells playstation on people buying systems for 8 year olds. Nintendo has a reputation as the company that makes games like Princess peach (which is a great game btw) and Splatoon instead of spalaterguts 3000. And then Nintendo wisely made it a handheld and a console all in one... familys can plug it into the TV and play together AND the kids can unplug it and not take over the telveision. Of course there are the 70-80s kids that buy switches for themselves as well... Nostalgia is a hell of a drug apparently. Most people have better/stronger memories of the NES and SNES games then the early playstation/xbox stuff. One thing Nintendo knows how to do is make memorable games.

On the Wii U that fail was a result of an overexposed Wii, and bad marketing on the U.

Speak for yourself, my Mom (1949-2008) loved Space Invaders and was wickedly good at it when she wasn't hammered.

 

[T4rd]

If I reply with a counter argument you will reply with another wall of text, 3 memes, and a video telling me why the Switch 2 will fail.

I'm done.

Many, as have I, have learned this lesson with him. He concedes nothing, has to have the last word, and has the most irrational takes on consoles. Just don't engage.

But to contribute just a bit to the topic; MS and Sony can't really simply can't command the same game prices as Nintendo while they're dropping console exclusives now. So they're wise to not try to raise prices for now at least. The Nintendo/Apple comparison is completely valid here.

 

[ChadD]

Speak for yourself, my Mom (1949-2008) loved Space Invaders and was wickedly good at it when she wasn't hammered.

My parents used to play our collecovison all night when they sent us to bed. Lol

 

[toast0]

You buying Zelda or Mario on a steam sale?
Nintendo isn't backing up any pricing.

Mario is on sale March 10th every year. Maybe not steam sale prices, but there's still used physical copies for now. Almost all the Mario games have massive sales, so they're easy to find.

 

[DukenukemX]

He must have a LOT of time on his hands

You're posting here too, to counter argument my counter arguments. I mean, you all are. Also, I can type like really fast.

Many, as have I, have learned this lesson with him. He concedes nothing, has to have the last word, and has the most irrational takes on consoles. Just don't engage.

If I'm always right then why concede? Except for the Nvidia stock thing. I said it wouldn't go to the moon and it's on Jupiter now.

But to contribute just a bit to the topic; MS and Sony can't really simply can't command the same game prices as Nintendo while they're dropping console exclusives now. So they're wise to not try to raise prices for now at least. The Nintendo/Apple comparison is completely valid here.

None of these companies can make a game that can demand $80 prices, and this includes Nintendo. As much as I like Nintendo games, but good Nintendo games are few in between. Of the entire Switch library I like TOTK and BOTW with a huge asterisk with BOTW. TOTK feels like an expansion pack or DLC of BOTW. To me it feels like Nintendo's innovation in gaming had ended around the N64 era. BOTW was honestly a breath of fresh air from Nintendo, and that game had a lot of cut content.

What happened was. A generation of gamers grew up and had children. Nostalgia, and gamers raising their own kids drive Nintendo sales today.

They didn't during the GameCube and Wii U era.

The game cube was a mild success,

So was the Wii U, but again that all depends on who's perspective. The games that Nintendo had on the Wii U were in my opinion worth buying the console. Shareholders would disagree with me. What's interesting is that the games from the Wii U that were ported onto the Switch went on to sell incredibly well.

because the parents buying game cubes were still not gamers themselves at that point. They were more willing to buy their kids Playstations and Xboxes.

Because the kids wanted a Playstation and Xbox because their friends were on them playing the latest fan favorite game. No GTA5 on the Wii U would have been enough reason for a lot of people not to buy it. If GTA6 is not released on the Switch 2 then watch what happens to PS5 and Xbox Series console sales.

Switch marketing scratched all the important boxes. Hard Nostalgia, Check.

Wasn't one of the big complaints that Nintendo didn't sell their classic games on the Switch? Not a problem for me because I have a modded Switch.

View: https://youtu.be/wfBEj9BW_ok?si=RLLK30kl2VSgBVWa

Parents who were gamers when looking for a system for their family... choose switch.

Nobody said they weren't. Remember, the Switch was a $300 console while the Switch 2 is $450. Child friendly would also mean cheap.

Nintendo has a reputation as the company that makes games like Princess peach (which is a great game btw)

Never heard of it.

Most people have better/stronger memories of the NES and SNES games then the early playstation/xbox stuff. One thing Nintendo knows how to do is make memorable games.

Playstation era of gaming was too heavily focused on 3D, which might have killed a lot of great gaming franchises. Sonic still hasn't been able to transition to 3D like Mario had. Xbox was... just a console with a lot of PC games on it. There were a number of PC games that couldn't be ported to the Playstation 2, but were able to on the Xbox.

On the Wii U that fail was a result of an overexposed Wii, and bad marketing on the U.

I still don't think so, but to each their own. Can't claim that Nintendo has a lot of nostalgia fans when those fans didn't hear about the Wii U, or couldn't tell that the Wii U wasn't just a Wii Pro. My belief was that gamers were into 3rd party games and the Wii U just didn't offer those games. Plus, the Wii U was released a year before the PS4 and Xbox One, which were a huge leap up in performance. Not everyone has endless amounts of money to buy multiple game consoles, so people just got a PS4 and ignored the Wii U.

 

[Ranulfo]

What's interesting is that the games from the Wii U that were ported onto the Switch went on to sell incredibly well.

It irked me to no end that Nintendo refused to offer MarioKart8's Switch upgrades on the Wii U for like $20-30 of a dlc upgrade, even just a digital version. Nope. Go buy a Switch for essentially the same game. Even for the sale prices it made me realize I had been a sucker to buy a Wii U with its janky mini screen controller (that never worked well with streaming apps like netflix or amazon and was a battery hog). I had a PC so the other consoles weren't of much interest to me. After all the drama of the last ten plus years with Nintendo, they are no better than other consoles. They are the same bad investment unless you are desperate for Nintendo's exclusives.

The only other thing helping Nintendo right now is high PC gpu prices. That is mitgated but PC portable machines now and Nintendo's delusion of $80 games.

 

[DukenukemX]

It irked me to no end that Nintendo refused to offer MarioKart8's Switch upgrades on the Wii U for like $20-30 of a dlc upgrade, even just a digital version. Nope. Go buy a Switch for essentially the same game.

Nintendo used to be good as supporting their previous generation console before moving onto their new machine, but yea Nintendo lately hasn't been good about that stuff.

Even for the sale prices it made me realize I had been a sucker to buy a Wii U with its janky mini screen controller (that never worked well with streaming apps like netflix or amazon and was a battery hog). I had a PC so the other consoles weren't of much interest to me. After all the drama of the last ten plus years with Nintendo, they are no better than other consoles. They are the same bad investment unless you are desperate for Nintendo's exclusives.

Nintendo and their fans seem to think people are desperate for their games. People are forgetting that there are times when Nintendo had a number of years of bad games. Zelda which I'm a huge fan of the series had a number of bad games. Mario games had an on and off series of games. Metroid just vanishes off the face of the Earth unless you wanna play a remake on the Switch. To be fair, Metroid Prime 3 did suck. Pokemon games got so bad that people jumped on Palworld and Nintendo is trying to find a reason to sue them. Don't people realize that Nintendo keeps releasing the same Pokemon game twice with small changes? Pokémon Scarlet and Pokémon Violet are the same game but twice the price.


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The only other thing helping Nintendo right now is high PC gpu prices. That is mitgated but PC portable machines now and Nintendo's delusion of $80 games.

Not really. You're not buying a Switch 2 because GPU prices are high. You buy it because of Mario Kart Wold and Donkey Kong Bonanza. Steam Deck is cheaper than a Switch 2, while offering cheaper games. Pretty sure there's another PC Hand Held or two that's the same price or cheaper. You currently can't play Switch 2 games on PC, and Nintendo will make sure of that. This is why Nintendo made sure to shut down Yuzu and Ryujinx, because they were planning on $80 games for a while. Nintendo's lawyers are sharpening their brief cases for any hacks or emulators that pop up. Bonus points for anyone that can figure out where this guy came from.

From what I'm hearing is that anyone working on anything on the Switch 2 has just went underground and won't release anything until something is working. UltraHLE did this and Nintendo did try to sue RealityMan and Epsilon, which their real names were never known. Goes to show what extent Nintendo was willing to go when it came to emulators. Modern Vintage Gamer was able to get in contact with them when it came to make his video about UltraHLE. How's the saying go, in that history doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme.

 

[ChadD]

Nobody said they weren't. Remember, the Switch was a $300 console while the Switch 2 is $450. Child friendly would also mean cheap.

Never heard of it.

So your saying $450 is too much $499 for a PS5 wasn't?
Child friendly has never meant cheap. My parents didn't get a deal on my first colleco, I remember them paying a good chunk of a change for a C64, the Nintendo they bought us wasn't cheap either.
In fact the NES was $199 in 1985 ($449.67 says the inflation calculator).
[WORSE the CollecoVision an Uncle of mine actually bought me in 1982... retailed for $175 that is almost $600 in todays money.]

You also miss my point... You say not having grand theft auto on the Nintendo Switch is a negative. I am saying its a POSITIVE. For anyone buying a console for kids. Even the people that played the early PS grand theft games themselves. I played grand theft. No way in hell am I buying a modern grand theft game for my grand kids. F that.

And yes of course you haven't heard of Princess peach showtime. You don't seem to have kids (not sure) or little girls anyway. Believe it or not not every console has to appeal to 14 year old boys to sell a ton of hardware and games.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp4CGMbKQwU

My Granddaughers are 9 and 7.... this is their current jam. I have heard this games score none stop half the summer. These are the sorts of games that have been moving switches. Not pew pew steal the car games.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01onjjAUnOQ

 

[rinaldo00]

You're posting here too, to counter argument my counter arguments. I mean, you all are. Also, I can type like really fast.

You type in one post what I type in one month, then find time to find and include 3 memes and a video in every post!

Totally the same thing LOL

 

[DukenukemX]

You type in one post what I type in one month, then find time to find and include 3 memes and a video in every post!

Totally the same thing LOL

Learn to type. If you type like this then that explains it. Hint, I don't look at the keyboard when I type.

View: https://youtu.be/SwH4er-YcyI?si=e5BtduiVn-JVGx_i

So your saying $450 is too much $499 for a PS5 wasn't?

When has a handheld console approach the cost of a home console?

Child friendly has never meant cheap. My parents didn't get a deal on my first colleco, I remember them paying a good chunk of a change for a C64, the Nintendo they bought us wasn't cheap either.
In fact the NES was $199 in 1985 ($449.67 says the inflation calculator).

If you had a Colleco then you lived in a time when the cheapest computer was $2k minimum, without inflation. The 3DO was $700 in 1993 money and the PS3 was $500-$600 in 2007 money. Expensive consoles don't really do well in sales.

You also miss my point... You say not having grand theft auto on the Nintendo Switch is a negative. I am saying its a POSITIVE. For anyone buying a console for kids. Even the people that played the early PS grand theft games themselves. I played grand theft. No way in hell am I buying a modern grand theft game for my grand kids. F that.

The moment GTA6 goes for sale is the moment the Switch 2 loses sales. If you don't own a PS5 or Xbox Series console, then you will.

And yes of course you haven't heard of Princess peach showtime. You don't seem to have kids (not sure) or little girls anyway. Believe it or not not every console has to appeal to 14 year old boys to sell a ton of hardware and games.

My niece likes Wobbledogs, which the Switch has. It was such a problem that I put this game on her PC to keep the Switch open for her brothers to use. They want another Switch for this reason which I am working on. They all play Roblox which is why the PC's exist. Side note, did you know the Switch 2 has no YouTube and Hulu app? Kids use these too.

 

[rinaldo00]

Learn to type. If you type like this then that explains it. Hint, I don't look at the keyboard when I type.

You do much more than just type.

 

[ChadD]

You do much more than just type.

Mutli tasking is a lot easier in Linux.... Tiling for the win. lol

 

[ChadD]

Learn to type. If you type like this then that explains it. Hint, I don't look at the keyboard when I type.

View: https://youtu.be/SwH4er-YcyI?si=e5BtduiVn-JVGx_i

When has a handheld console approach the cost of a home console?

If you had a Colleco then you lived in a time when the cheapest computer was $2k minimum, without inflation. The 3DO was $700 in 1993 money and the PS3 was $500-$600 in 2007 money. Expensive consoles don't really do well in sales.

The moment GTA6 goes for sale is the moment the Switch 2 loses sales. If you don't own a PS5 or Xbox Series console, then you will.

My niece likes Wobbledogs, which the Switch has. It was such a problem that I put this game on her PC to keep the Switch open for her brothers to use. They want another Switch for this reason which I am working on. They all play Roblox which is why the PC's exist. Side note, did you know the Switch 2 has no YouTube and Hulu app? Kids use these too.
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That is the thing parents (and most Nintendo gamers) don't view the switch as a handheld console. When you have really young kids you don't even let them take the switch off the dock. Nintendo doesn't think like other gaming companies. The switch is a standard console for every non tech nerd. It sits in the dock it plugs into the TV. Not handheld. I know it seems unfair to us nerd types that understand how it works. The majority of Nintendo buyers don't care what we think. For them switch is a home console, that they can do like the launch video... pull out of the dock when they are out. I have talked to people that LOVE the switch cause they knew Nintendo wasn't going to try and double dip them on a handheld 2 years after the switch launched.

Your not wrong the colleco was a different time in '82... still the collecovsion sold 6 million units. Even by todays standards that isn't half bad. Colleco was a thing for about 3 years, sold 6 million units. You know what other hardware has sold 6 million units in 3 years of existence. The deck.

My point was the Nintendo consoles have always been right around $450 when you factor in inflation. Nothing has really changed with the switch2. Ya I think its over priced, still its not actually out of line with what Nintendo has charged for every console they have released.

On your switch 2 side note.... man no youtube app. Stop your selling me on the dumb thing. Nothing worse then 7 year olds glued to YT.

 

[DukenukemX]

My point was the Nintendo consoles have always been right around $450 when you factor in inflation. Nothing has really changed with the switch2. Ya I think its over priced, still its not actually out of line with what Nintendo has charged for every console they have released.

Except that inflation isn't an excuse to raise prices. The Switch 2 is basically a bigger Switch 1 with a newer albeit still outdated Nvidia SoC, which is essentially just like the Switch 1. So how did we go from a console that was $300 to $450? I'd understand $50 more, but $150? Going back to price of games, even Bonanza isn't $80. For Nintendo to charge $80 for Mario Kart World and $70 for Bonanza, it shows that the $80 price tag isn't even holding for Nintendo.

On your switch 2 side note.... man no youtube app. Stop your selling me on the dumb thing. Nothing worse then 7 year olds glued to YT.

I think YouTube maybe the least of your worries.

Now to go back to making fun of people who 10 years ago thought the Xbox wasn't a dying brand.

View: https://youtu.be/8oJy2IsMYJg?si=q8LZC_UdlfC-4Har

 

[ChadD]

Well switch launched in 2017. At a MSRP of $300.
2017 $300 in 2025 money is $394.78.
So the Switch 2 is in fact $50 more... in 2025 money. [or its $38 more expensive in 2017 funds... like if the switch 2 launched at the same time as the switch 1 side by side it would have been $38 more]

The truth is the Switch2 MSRP is almost identical
If the Switch 2 was only $350 in 2025 money. In 2017 money it would be selling for $265.
So why is it not $50 more... cause they would be selling it drastically cheaper then they launched the switch 1 at.

Inflation sucks yes. The last 8 years have seen a 26.67% inflation rate. When you do all the math normalizing the inflation rates the Switch 2 is marginally more expensive. $38 to be exact.

 

[DooKey]

Forget it, man, he never admits to being wrong, and just keeps trying to bury all argument with endless walls of text. It's like his mission in life is to hate on Nintendo and Apple.

Personally I'm sick of it and I'm sick of complaining about it and I don't want to get a warning so I'm going to look to see how to block someone so I just don't see his endless "contributions" to these threads.

I've had he/she/it blocked for years.

 

[DukenukemX]

Here's a video that explains the very thing I've been saying. Who here isn't more excited over Silksong over any AAA game coming out soon? Technically speaking Silksong could run on a Sega Saturn, with significantly reduced resolution. Price was confirmed to be $25, which is very reasonable.

View: https://youtu.be/jdVqyW7gV50?si=YE7Z5eHKs7sm5ts0

 

[Prince Valiant]

Here's a video that explains the very thing I've been saying. Who here isn't more excited over Silksong over any AAA game coming out soon? Technically speaking Silksong could run on a Sega Saturn, with significantly reduced resolution. Price was confirmed to be $25, which is very reasonable.

View: https://youtu.be/jdVqyW7gV50?si=YE7Z5eHKs7sm5ts0

I'm not interested in Silksong but I agree with the sentiment. New paint on the same old gameplay is stale. Add in the obscene budgets involved and it's rotten.

 

[DukenukemX]

I'm not interested in Silksong but I agree with the sentiment. New paint on the same old gameplay is stale. Add in the obscene budgets involved and it's rotten.

The main thing is that AAA gaming is overspending on graphics that don't seem visible in games. That cost is being transferred over to consumers. Some games were so well made 15 years ago that todays games barely look any better. Can you really tell that much of a difference? The wallet can tell.

View: https://youtu.be/7mzeDC6RDr0?si=T5OOTJh_fsKcMkgC

 

[rinaldo00]

The main thing is that AAA gaming is overspending on graphics that don't seem visible in games. That cost is being transferred over to consumers. Some games were so well made 15 years ago that todays games barely look any better. Can you really tell that much of a difference? The wallet can tell.

View: https://youtu.be/7mzeDC6RDr0?si=T5OOTJh_fsKcMkgC

Using the Playstation is not the best metric because the 15 year performance increase is not as great as the 15 year performance increase in PC hardware but I can barley tell the difference on most PC games either.

 

[Ranulfo]

It gets pretty bad when you start looking at games from 8-10 years ago to new games now in the past 2-4 years. Add in just slopping coding with many bugs on top of graphics that need upscaling or MFG. Throw in the increased gpu costs for little gain even without ray tracing and the whole thing just seems pointless waste of money and time.

If you want an interesting rabbit hole, go look at the debates over Unreal Engine 5 with the youtuber Threat Interactive and his detractors.

 

[DukenukemX]

Using the Playstation is not the best metric because the 15 year performance increase is not as great as the 15 year performance increase in PC hardware but I can barley tell the difference on most PC games either.

What this means is that we peaked during the PS3/360 era in terms of graphics. Graphics obviously got better but the amount of work needed to get that extra fidelity is costly. Dunkey made a video on this seven years ago, which is before the PS5. AAA gaming is trying to attract customers by improving graphics without any care about the gameplay, while also increasing the cost of the games to make up for that increase fidelity. What the game industry doesn't understand is that people don't care about graphics anymore, and people don't want to pay $70 let alone $80 for it.

View: https://youtu.be/2zE-J1rK1NQ?si=7es2Ndk-BU874U3T

It gets pretty bad when you start looking at games from 8-10 years ago to new games now in the past 2-4 years. Add in just slopping coding with many bugs on top of graphics that need upscaling or MFG. Throw in the increased gpu costs for little gain even without ray tracing and the whole thing just seems pointless waste of money and time.

If you want an interesting rabbit hole, go look at the debates over Unreal Engine 5 with the youtuber Threat Interactive and his detractors.

Art style is what matters now. The main focus is gameplay, which is getting worse with newer games. Fallout 4 which is a 10 year old game was worse compared to Fallout 3 and Vegas just because the game limited endings and the Karma system was gone. Sad thing was the graphics wasn't that much better. I fear what Fallout 5 will be after seeing Starfield.

View: https://youtu.be/iocRbdvUgJ4?si=QCT3q2JxrW7mmqts

 

[rinaldo00]

It gets pretty bad when you start looking at games from 8-10 years ago to new games now in the past 2-4 years. Add in just slopping coding with many bugs on top of graphics that need upscaling or MFG. Throw in the increased gpu costs for little gain even without ray tracing and the whole thing just seems pointless waste of money and time.

If you want an interesting rabbit hole, go look at the debates over Unreal Engine 5 with the youtuber Threat Interactive and his detractors.

But ray tracing is amazing! Just look at (checks notes) Cyberpunk 2077! You mean that unfinished buggy piece of shit that came out in 2020? No, no the REAL version that came out 3 years later! Plus there was (checks notes again) Cyberpunk 2077! I mentioned that already? Oh, well, Cyberpunk 2077 was amazing!

 

[ManofGod]

Well, looks like I got out of gaming at the right time then, at least for me. I remember being amazed at how good Star Trek: Starfleet Command looked when I bought my first 3d accelerator card back in the 90's. I also remember how fantastic things looked and played in the 2000's when I would upgrade my cpu or gpu and how exciting a time the HL2 / Doom 3 era was. Then there was the OG Crysis. Other than theTomb Raider Series and Red Dead Redemption 2, I have found nothing worth playing in the last 15 years. (Opps, I forgot about Doom 2016)

 

[Prince Valiant]

The main thing is that AAA gaming is overspending on graphics that don't seem visible in games. That cost is being transferred over to consumers. Some games were so well made 15 years ago that todays games barely look any better. Can you really tell that much of a difference? The wallet can tell.

View: https://youtu.be/7mzeDC6RDr0?si=T5OOTJh_fsKcMkgC

I can but I'm not impressed and some of it is worse. The booze looks weird when it's poured. The bottle contents get drowned out by the ray tracing garbage when the chick sits by it. Physics don't appear to have seen any noteworthy improvement (if any). Redesigns for a bunch of stuff. Clear lighting nowhere to be seen with the permanent haze. All for the low, low, cost of more processing power.

But ray tracing is amazing! Just look at (checks notes) Cyberpunk 2077! You mean that unfinished buggy piece of shit that came out in 2020? No, no the REAL version that came out 3 years later! Plus there was (checks notes again) Cyberpunk 2077! I mentioned that already? Oh, well, Cyberpunk 2077 was amazing!

Maybe we'll finally start seeing more interaction (freedom) within environments with RT but after this long, I doubt it. Developers and publishers seem disinterested in such things. They're pumping out the same old gameplay with all these stale remakes and series which could do with a rest.

 

[DukenukemX]

Well, looks like I got out of gaming at the right time then, at least for me. I remember being amazed at how good Star Trek: Starfleet Command looked when I bought my first 3d accelerator card back in the 90's. I also remember how fantastic things looked and played in the 2000's when I would upgrade my cpu or gpu and how exciting a time the HL2 / Doom 3 era was. Then there was the OG Crysis. Other than theTomb Raider Series and Red Dead Redemption 2, I have found nothing worth playing in the last 15 years. (Opps, I forgot about Doom 2016)

Look into games like Doom Eternal, Elden Ring, and Baldur's gate 3. I would even add the new God of Wars as well.

 

[DukenukemX]

I'm surprised nobody is talking about Silksong and how this $20 game crashed Steam and Nintendo's shops when it was released.

View: https://youtu.be/d010GfjwJu8?si=KZjOGpZUxQUMCN0l

 

[pillagenburn]

Bullishit

 

[d3athf1sh]

You buying Zelda or Mario on a steam sale?
Nintendo isn't backing up any pricing.

no i played Zelda botw on my pc for free at 1080p/60 while all the console peasants played at 960p/30 for however much they paid for their anemic hardware and fool price game. oh and i decided to turn off the "breakable weapons" things which i still think was a bad design.