Advice on a ....30"

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hi everyone,

i have been spending the last week or so (with a £900 budget) looking and writing on a few forums inc this one for advice on a good gaming, inc low lag, large ips monitors and after all the advice was taken in i ended up with the following monitor...26" LG W2600HP of which i could get 2 of and best of all it uses the same panel as Nec's 26" which is a very good panel so im told but has an improved response time in games.

(please note im in the UK).

26" LG W2600HP
cheapest price found : £440 inc del

Average Input Lag / Crt............................. 6-8 ms
Module............................. LM300WQ5
Contrast Ratio............................. 1000:1 (5000:1 with DFC)
Pitch Size:............................. 0.287 mm
Brightness (cd/m2) ............................. 400 cd/m2
Response Time (ms)............................. 5ms GtG
NTSC Colour Gamut............................. 115%
W x H x D (including stand)............................. 602 x 563 x 270mm 10kg

spec : http://www.hardware.info/en-US/productdb/bGRkZpiVmJTKaMg/viewproductreviews/LG_W2600HPBN_W2600HPBN/

review : http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2008/review-lg-w2600hp.html


the Hazro 26" has issues but has low lag i dont want to risk getting a dud...and the HP LP2475w is too much on the slow side as its only marginal faster than the nec 26"

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after i compiled all the following info i wanted to see if anyone could advise me on which of the 3 30" panels would be best for ofice work and gaming because from what reviews i have seen they all seem good and have low lag for gaming.... especially the dell 30"

and also whether they are good at resolving the lower resolutions as i might want to play games like crysis at lower resolution, while using for day to day stuff like office word on default resolution.>>>>>>>>>>>this option is important for me.

basically the screen wouldnt be upgraded for a long time due to size .......

please can i have your thoughts......???????????

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Dell 3008WFP 30" UltraSharp Flat Screen TFT Monitor

cheapest price found : ...............................£770 inc del New (auction site)

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Dell 30" 3007WFP HC

cheapest price found : ...............................£450-900 inc del New (auction site)

Average Input Lag / Crt ................................11.5ms
Response Time (ms) ...................................8 ms G2G
Brightness (cd/m2) ......................................300 cd/m²
Contrast Ratio ................................................1000:1
Pitch Size: .......................................................0.250mm
NTSC Colour Gamut ......................................117%
W x H x D (including stand) ..........................690 x 469.7 x 200mm

award : HotHardware's Editor's Choice Award for innovation and excellence.

review : http://hothardware.com/Articles/Dell-UltraSharp-3007WFPHC--92-Color-Gamut-30-Inch-LCD/?page=1

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30" Hazro HZ30W
cheapest price found : ....................................£864ish inc. del

(no scaler hardware)
Average Input Lag / Crt ....................................7.5ms
Response Time (ms) .....................................12ms G2G
Module ...............................................................LM300WQ3
Brightness (cd/m2) ...........................................300cd/m2
Contrast Ratio ....................................................1,000:1
Black Point (cd/m2) ............................................0.24
NTSC Colour Gamut ..........................................92%

review : http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hazro_hz30w.htm

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30" LG W3000HP
cheapest price found : ........................................£780ish inc.del

(no scaler hardware)
Average Input Lag / Crt .........................................15ms
Manufacturer ..........................................................LGD
Tech ..........................................................................S-IPS
Module ...................................................................LM300WQ5
Response Time (ms) ............................................5ms G2G
Contrast Ratio .........................................................1000:1 ...3000:1 (DCR)
Brightness (cd/m2) ...............................................370
NTSC Colour Gamut ...............................................115%
Pitch Size: ................................................................0.252 mm
W x H x D (including stand) ...................................700 x 630 x 270mm 12kg


spec : http://www.hardware.info/en-US/productdb/bGRkaZiWmJfKYcg/viewproduct/LG_W3000HBN/

www.hardware.info - Ultimate PC (10/13/2008)
A monster screen should go with a monster PC and that means a 30 inch ultra high resolution monitor. The LG W3000H-BN has an S-IPS panel with 2560x1600 pixels, a better than 900:1 contrast ratio, excellent reaction speed and input lag that is well within tolerances to enjoy a fast 3D game or high speed action scenes in your favourite movie. All this makes it a prime choice for the Ultimate system.



thankyou in advance to any advice.
 
forgot to mention would nvida cards 8800 in sli run a 30" okay??

and also i wont need the monior for colour critical work and as for connection...i wont be hooking anything up to it besides the computer so dvi is fine a bare min. if that helps.
 
Bear in mind that 30" IPS panels have a very poor record on screen quality and uniformity. As in they have more backlight bleed, screen clouding. They also have an off angle glow that will make the corners glow on dark background if you sit close. They could really use the extra advanced polarizer that NEC has on their 24" and 26" monitors 90 series, alas none of the 30" panels from anywhere has this. If you are going 30" buy where you have a guaranteed return path and be prepared for dissapointment. They all use LG 30" screens so let price and return policy be your guide. After buying and returning a 30", I can't recomend one to anyone. I am picky, but my cheapo 17" screen was better than my 30".

If going smaller I do think the 24/26" are the best semi affordable high quality monitors.The have essentially unique A-TW polarizer that gives them the best viewing angle experience bar none, near CRT quality.

My review would apply to those:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1338622
 
The Apple display is the best 30" low lag IPS.
But I just ordered a 3007WFP-HC because it was $680 refurb w/ 3 year warranty compared to Apple's $1500 refurb w/ 1 year warranty.

I am fairly picky, but my 3 20" IPS Dell monitors look better than my 2 20" IPS NEC monitors.
 
snowdog i was origionally going to get the nec 2690 but was warned against it by a few people because of lag and was informed the lg w2600bn is same panel but faster due to having only dvi connection which apparently reduces cause of lag i think.

so the dell sucks then:( and i thought i was onto something good finally..oh well back to the drawing board.

as a point of reference i will be purchasing from ocuk as a lot of the brands are cheaper than most stores .... i did look hard but couldnt find anywhere cheaper except http://www.4allclients.co.uk but i havent heard about them before or know there reputation unlike ocuk.

thankyou for all your advice snowdog.
 
Yelnats said:
The Apple display is the best 30" low lag IPS.
But I just ordered a 3007WFP-HC because it was $680 refurb w/ 3 year warranty compared to Apple's $1500 refurb w/ 1 year warranty.

I am fairly picky, but my 3 20" IPS Dell monitors look better than my 2 20" IPS NEC monitors.
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How on earth did you get it for $680?
Wasn't $799 the lowest?
 
cheapest i seen in uk is £600 inc vat del on ebay so how he got it that cheap even if it is in dollors..... must be refurb:confused:
 
anodize said:
How on earth did you get it for $680?
Wasn't $799 the lowest?
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Free coupon for 15% off outlet monitors. I purchased it on Thursday when the normal price was $799.
I've been looking at getting a 30" monitor for a long time, but was staying away because of the high gamut. I took the chance because options for monitors have been getting worse for the past couple of years.

My Dell 2007WFP monitors are both excellent, even better than my NEC moniotors. (all IPS)
 
Thanks for the website. I can't believe I missed out on this deal.
You still have to add tax to total.

Yelnats said:
Free coupon for 15% off outlet monitors. I purchased it on Thursday when the normal price was $799.
I've been looking at getting a 30" monitor for a long time, but was staying away because of the high gamut. I took the chance because options for monitors have been getting worse for the past couple of years.

My Dell 2007WFP monitors are both excellent, even better than my NEC moniotors. (all IPS)
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I'd agree with Snowdog on this one, that lately, especially with the Q5 panel that LG is putting out, there have been a number of quality issues.

If you are dead set on getting a 30" I would still rate the HP LP3065 as being good. It uses an older panel (Q3 I believe) which hopefully has a more refined production leading to potentially better quality, and it has 3 x DVI connections. It is also a very low lag screen. The only question with it, is if it will be on the market much longer.

Otherwise you may want to look at the LG 30".

For scaling, you can get your video card(s) to do this, so no worries there. I would say that to run at 2560x1600 you should be ok with most games except the Crysis series without AA. If not, use 1920x1200 and set the GPUs to scale up. Of course (I'm sure you know this already) you cannot easily use multi-monitor with SLI'd configuration currently, so you'd have to toggle it on and off for gaming if you have 2xmonitors.

I find that my 24"/26" NECs are not laggards really but if you are a hardcore FPS gamer, I would say they would not be the best choices. They are excellent though, and have the most high-end features of any monitor I've ever used.

Good luck in your search.
 
I find that the complaints in 30" panels are somewhat related to the amount of people buying them(more people, more complaints). Also expectations, NEC 3090 had high expectations and many complaints. Also the new kid on the block gets the attention (Dell 3008, NEC 3090). After a panel is later into its run. People hardly talk about it. Yet my 3007-HC had ALL the problems people are discussing with new panels.

So I think luck has more to do with it than picking a good manufacturer. My Dell 3007-HC uses the same panel as the HP3065 (AFAIK) so I would not expect substantial differences. All of them are guaranteed to have the white glow issue. If I was going in this direction, low cost, easy returns would be my main decision driver.

Lag has to be experienced first hand. I had a horrible experience with the Dell 2405(even mouse movement was slow), and was worried about similar with the NEC 2490, but was pleasantly surprised to have zero issues with it. But very sensitve people might still have an issue.

BTW Rhino, I am not the Snowdog from OCUK. I discovered it is a fairly common username that I don't always get.
 
Yelnats said:
The Apple display is the best 30" low lag IPS.
But I just ordered a 3007WFP-HC because it was $680 refurb w/ 3 year warranty compared to Apple's $1500 refurb w/ 1 year warranty.

I am fairly picky, but my 3 20" IPS Dell monitors look better than my 2 20" IPS NEC monitors.
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The Apple 30" isn't better than the Dell 3007WP. They use the same panel and I've seen nothing to indicate that the Apple would or could be better in any way. In fact I dislike the Apple version because it doesn't have the range of display adjustment, and it also doesn't have the card reader for camera memory cards.

That said a Dell 3007WFP-HC for $680 sounds like a badass deal. Hope you are pleased with it. I'm almost positive I would be.
 
thanks for the advice from everyone:)

really tough this is...in choosing..

i play games but i dont class myself as a professional gammer i mean yes some games i can complete in less than a week only cuze they are easy and mostly you are being lead through the game take mass effect that took me around a fortnight which i played on and of maybe 7-8 a day (got hooked) getting every medal and finding every secret and mission:D very sad having to drive around a map on every planet:p:p:p

i really only want one big monitor and as this is a postion and purchase im not going to be making again anytime soon (at leat 4-5 years) i think it really sucks that there arnt any recommended panels within £800 mark besides thos mentioned:(

all reviews say dell 30" hc is the best and fastet in the lag department but everyone here says it isnt good........
had an offer of a premium brand new dead pixel panel guarantee no dead or bright pixels posted from germany for £560 all inclusive. to my door (UK)

hazro 30" gets crap reviews except tft central but not many buy it in this forum to report on it.. and cheapest is overclockers at £850. plus del

had a online dealer in the netherlands give me a price of £768 all inclusive to my door for the lg 30"

and another dealer has quoted me £500 for the nec 26" all inclusive. to my door (UK)

all brand new and your telling me they all could have fault and its 50/50 on whether i like them due to faults like bleeding:(:(:(

i mean there must be one large monitor thats not going to have some fault aint there??? other wise im back to tn again as i never had a problem with them. just thought while i had the money id get a dream monitor.:(:(:(
 
rhino.software said:
All reviews say dell 30" hc is the best and fastet in the lag department but everyone here says it isnt good........
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Well the main complaint about the Dell 3007WFP-HC is the back light bleed and color uniformity. There is some on the older 3007WFP as well but I have read about some people prefering the older model to the newer HC model. As far as input lag goes, yes the Dell 3007WFP/3007WFP-HC are as good as it gets.

rhino.software said:
i mean there must be one large monitor thats not going to have some fault aint there??? other wise im back to tn again as i never had a problem with them. just thought while i had the money id get a dream monitor.:(:(:(
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No there isn't. LCD technology has some inherent limitations. These become more and more evident in certain circumstances and building a 30" monitor isn't just about scaling up a design. There are additional considerations to take into account when building an LCD of this size.
 
10e said:
Otherwise you may want to look at the LG 30".
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that still uses the Q5 panel if im not mistaken?

or is this a new revision as to not have the glow that you mentioned? (cant find any reviews on it tho).

10e said:
Of course (I'm sure you know this already) you cannot easily use multi-monitor with SLI'd configuration currently, so you'd have to toggle it on and off for gaming if you have 2xmonitors.
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i thought theyd fixed that issue way back as iv only been using a single nearly 5 year old 19" L90+ (colour and brightness a fading badly:D).
i was thinkg of getting 2 screens eventually but thats thrown a spanner in the works....
so my choices seem to be 1 26" or 1 30" now then.
...bought a nice big office desk for them as well:rolleyes:


can anyone comment on whether the 30" Hazro HZ30W is viable as that uses the Q3 panel and reports to low lag but have no defects like... glow..banding...snow...only slight bleed?


thankyou
 
Yes, it does still use the Q5 panel. Right now all 30" have the white glow issue. Without the A-TW polarizer it will be there, and right now, I don't know of any 30" monitors that have it.

Maybe I'm wrong, but the 180 Beta drivers don't seem to enable SLI and multi-monitor on nVidia. You always get the same choice > accelerate one screen, or use multiple screens in the control panel.

Here's a review of the Hazro 30W

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hazro_hz30w.htm

Looks pretty good to me.

rhino.software said:
that still uses the Q5 panel if im not mistaken?

or is this a new revision as to not have the glow that you mentioned? (cant find any reviews on it tho).



i thought theyd fixed that issue way back as iv only been using a single nearly 5 year old 19" L90+ (colour and brightness a fading badly:D).
i was thinkg of getting 2 screens eventually but thats thrown a spanner in the works....
so my choices seem to be 1 26" or 1 30" now then.
...bought a nice big office desk for them as well:rolleyes:


can anyone comment on whether the 30" Hazro HZ30W is viable as that uses the Q3 panel and reports to low lag but have no defects like... glow..banding...snow...only slight bleed?


thankyou
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Dan_D said:
The Apple 30" isn't better than the Dell 3007WP. They use the same panel and I've seen nothing to indicate that the Apple would or could be better in any way. In fact I dislike the Apple version because it doesn't have the range of display adjustment, and it also doesn't have the card reader for camera memory cards.
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Well the main complaint about the Dell 3007WFP-HC is the back light bleed and color uniformity. There is some on the older 3007WFP as well but I have read about some people prefering the older model to the newer HC model.
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I'd rather not have the HC, and the Apple is non-HC. That is why I prefer the Apple. The original 3007WFP is no longer sold. Also, someone at my work got an original 3007WFP and exchanged it once, and they both had more backlight bleed than the 30" Apple at work. They Dell and Apple have nearly identical controls, right down to the touch sensitive buttons (yuck!!!!).
 
After months of researching 30" LCDs I decided to hold off on a purchase and see if anything is on the horizon for 2009.
 
thanks 10e..

may i ask how bad the lag really on the 26" nec? can you actually play battlefield 2 or need for speed most wanted without problems??..

the l90+ im using has a litle ghosting but it was rated as the fasted tn for gaming at the time so how bad could it be? cant be as bad as that video on youtube for the dell showing ghosting?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1mN6lYAJzE

its funny but the nec 26" was the 1st screen when i started looking but i was warned off it and thats why i sort of followed mrk hoping to get the 26" hazro but with its problems i decided not to what with it being dodgy with issues but like the hazro it had a nice design and thin bezel but like a car you dont pick it by looks all the time.
i read the nec had 32ms lag is that really that bad your unable to play games as the benq fp241w is higher at 34 and thats a gamers screen also the hazro 24w is around 33..

i seen a new nec for £500 and im tempted and give the whole 30" a miss but if its that bad then ill just have to go along with your infor earlier and get the cheaper lg 30" as the hazro is over £100 more at £850. only thing is the lg has an ugly thick bezel:(.

its strange but before all this i never liked nec and now the design and shape has sort of grown on me simular to my thoughts on the hazro 26" which looked amazing on the tft review and in the mini review thread tho the tftcentral is an old review and now things hardware wise may have thnged...you never know..
 
I got my 3007WFP-HC. It didn't come with any cables, not even power. Just the monitor and the packing slip.

The backlight is a bit uneven, but not too bad. Very minor backlight bleed. No dead pixels.

The Gamut is the only significant downside. I'll have to try a hardware calibrator with an ATI card.
I can see how the polarization filter that some NEC monitors have could be helpful, but I rarely notice the white glow, the screen has to be quite dark for it to show
 
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