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Are radio stations getting a free ride or simply providing free publicity? I know you guys have a lot to say on this subject so I will step out of the way and let you have at it in the comments section.

The Obama administration Thursday expressed "strong support" for legislation that would require radio stations to pay additional royalty fees to singers, marking the administration's first public position on the highly contentious fight between broadcasters and musicians.
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I thought they already had to pay fees. Why else do the radio stations play the exact same songs over and over for years on end.
 
"If enacted, the bill would advance public welfare by compensating American performers and the record companies that produce and distribute their creative works," Kerry wrote
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And they think performers would actually get the money? It will do nothing bu bad the pockets of the RIAA which do NOTHING to return that to the public's welfare.

Considering how so many radio station in just Atlanta are struggling to stay afloat, this would kill off a good 10 stations here i bet you
 
It's the record companies to blame not the musicians. The Recording companies need to keep their profits up. Long gone are the days where consumers pay for a piece of physical media that had maybe 2 good songs on 1 album. We can now purchase just one song at a time or more if we choose. The record companies are not making the same profits. So it's time to collect from the broadcasters. If this happens goodbye music radio all we will have on the airwaves is talk radio from now on.

I guess this is the kind of "change" that this administration ran their platform on.
 
You know, it's going to get to a point where no one gives a shit any more.

People will look at whatever libraries they have built up over the years, and say to themselves "You know, screw them all. I have enough to last me my lifetime".

You never know. This could bring back the decades-dead "Radio Delete" option on new cars :)
 
I agree with the above...with the advent of the intrawebnet and itunes and such that allowed for a-la-carte music purchases...you dont see the music houses making $14 at a time, but instead about $.99 at a time.... 11 tracks of filler just got harder to sell... This is going to end up making or breaking the music industry as a whole...one of two things will happen: recording artists will start putting out more non-shit music, or the big recording houses will crumble and blame it all on piracy
 
This makes me sad, doesnt the RIAA get enough money suing "pirates" at 6-figures per song or something?

I mean I already knew the RIAA is a greedy son of a *****, but the fact that the administration supports it shows just how deep some of these evil companies have influence.
 
You can probably kiss half of all American radio stations goodbye if they have to pay what is left of their profits to the industry.
 
Here's the problem. The performers need the radio stations to push their material. People will claim the internet does a lot for them.

But regular radio does way more, touches more people and has a wider range of audience. People get turned on to things they don't choose.

Radio pushes new artists into your ears. All this will do is reinforce the talk radio format, and basically put the axe in top 40 style radio stations.

Artists like, Lady BlahBlah, who by the way, is horrible, and nothing but an auto-tuned studio hack. (I seen her live when she was a nobody, she can't sing for a nickel) would never have seen the fame they would know without the top 40 stations pushing her as hard as they did.

So go ahead, bite off the hand that helps feed you. It will only serve to prove that while the Internet is a powerful media, its not the only one, and for new and upcoming artists, the radio waves are still a powerful source. Without them, you lose a considerable audience.
 
Unfortunately, the administration has hired heavily out of the RIAA. It would be nice if the democrats hadn't aligned themselves with these a-holes because I think most liberals would naturally be on the other side of most issues. Instead, we have folks doing whatever the RIAA and MPAA tell them. .
 
My antennae in my car is unplugged(audio jack the trunk in newer cars) so I only receive transmissions from my FM transmitter connected to my MP3 player. Haven't listened to the radio in 5 years maybe. No clue what it sounds like these days.
 
Pirate Radio US.

But I doubt this will happen. Most Americans are lazy and won't bother.
 
Artist get paid for two things, writing the music and performing the music.

Old fashioned broadcast radio pays only the writer fee. The RIAA is looking to also get the performance fee.

It isn't unreasonable since EVERY OTHER MEDIUM must pay both fees including satellite radio, TV, movies, Pandora and the like.

The NAB is fighting with all it's lobbyists to stop this. They are doing a good job of making it seem like radio is being targeted, but meanwhile they are the only ones NOT paying.
 
stiltner said:
Radio pushes new artists into your ears.
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Actually, I have been exposed to more far more new artists via the internet than radio by a grossly wide margin. Outside of some niche stations or shows, most of what I hear on the radio is the same old stuff. Maybe it's sung by a different band but so much of it sounds the same. Cookie cutter crap.

The artists *need* radio less than they think, although nobody can deny the potential exposure available....but again, the majority of what I hear on the radio is not new or cutting edge or unknown artists (real ones, not label created hacks).
 
Have no fear, ClearChannel will still be around to satisfy your radio needs with more crap.
 
Since deregulation most radio stations are owned by one of several big conglomerates. So the money will simply go from one big corporation to another (the RIAA). And if all other mediums must pay the artist, then it's only fair that so should radio. All the clear channels will do is raise the rates for advertisers.
 
Now comrade Obama in making enemys in broadcast\satellite radio. I believe his odds of being re-elected are zilch!!

Maybe Americans will someday learn to listen what the clowns are saying, instead of being conned by the smooth talkers.
 
I dont listen to music radio stations anyway but I imagine radio stations will stop playing the big name/record contract type guys and start playing more local small types is all. AND they will start selling air time/working out a certain number of free spins when the artists/recording companies who are now seeing no air play start to feel the burn.
 
Once again instead of letting the free market decide Obama steps up his ever increasing socialist agenda ideas. The market works! Don't fix what is not broken!
 
Yay, more idiotic ideas from this turd of an administration. Not that the former was any better...
 
Even though I can't stand listening to the radio...there are far too many RIAA and ex RIAA holding sway in our government for me to feel good about it.
 
Hey Chairman Mao, you have more things to worry about than becoming a tool of these record labels. Good lord, and we actually pay the salaries of these people with our hard earned taxes. At least our local house reps(1Dem, 1 Repub) have voiced their support AGAINST this crap.
 
Please don't bring logic into the same conversation with Obama. After all the people that work hard to better them selves are just lucky. Obama and Pelosi both have said that.

If the government runs your life it means and you are poor it's because times are tough. When capitalism works and you don't work lay on you ass and ingest drugs, alcohol, spit babies out like a rabbit or you're just plain lazy it has to be capitalism holding you down.
 
MotorMouth said:
Please don't bring logic into the same conversation with Obama. After all the people that work hard to better them selves are just lucky. Obama and Pelosi both have said that.

If the government runs your life it means and you are poor it's because times are tough. When capitalism works and you don't work lay on you ass and ingest drugs, alcohol, spit babies out like a rabbit or you're just plain lazy it has to be capitalism holding you down.
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I'm having trouble applying logic to the second part of your post...

These antics of the RIAA is a fine example of Capitalism at work, don't you know that?
 
When the RIAA get funds from the government it's corporate welfare, not capitalism.
 
on the one hand, I wouldn't mind seeing stations like b96 in chicago go away, by any means necessary. all they do is play the same shit over and over again, all day, every fucking day, for MONTHS. I stopped listening to them a long time ago but where I work its all they play.

on the other hand, there are other stations like q101 that find ways to keep it interesting, even if they only have a set playlist to work with. I would not want stations that make that effort to go away because of stupid royalties.

don't get me wrong, artists should be paid. always been a believer that you should be paid for what you do. but I don't see how the artists will get their fair share out of this. the suits will ALWAYS get their cut. their job is to make more money by any means necessary. its just that instead of being the money grubbing whores that they are, they've managed to become the pimps.
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Json23 said:
Once again instead of letting the free market decide Obama steps up his ever increasing socialist agenda ideas. The market works! Don't fix what is not broken!
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Oh right, I just LOVE the free market in action with all these corporations buying the politician's votes. :rolleyes:
 
qdemn7 said:
Oh right, I just LOVE the free market in action with all these corporations buying the politician's votes. :rolleyes:
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Yea this is what bugs me at times. I'm against this move as much as most liberals would be, but it's frustrating to see people turn against their precious Capitalism at work and try to pass it off as Socialism when it just isn't true, specially in this case.

Lobbying, buying your way into the political system, these are issues that have been going on for a long time and won't stop anytime soon, this includes Republicans, Democrats and Independents... And once again, this is Capitalism at work and at it's best (or worst depending upon how this effects your wallet or daily life).

You guys may not remember when Bush was meeting in secret to dismantle Amtrak and privatize it amongst multiple private companies (like that will work, every other country with even better rail systems, is government subsidized because it isn't a viable solution to make profit off of but businesses and people need it)...

When their cover was blown the plan blew up in their face, but just like this situation now... I don't see it getting too far unless it gains a bi-partisan support, and since RIAA is pretty much a large corporation like any other, I wouldn't be surprised if there were Republicans also on board with this... :(
 
Derfman said:
But how did the RIAA get all this money to have such an influence on the government?... Capitalism...
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Capitalism is simply a system of privately owned goods. Quit listening to liberal bullshit.

If a company gets free money from the government, it's corporate welfare, NOT CAPITALISM.
 
Zellio2010 said:
Capitalism is simply a system of privately owned goods. Quit listening to liberal bullshit.

If a company gets free money from the government, it's corporate welfare, NOT CAPITALISM.
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And your opinion on lobbying for laws and things such as this? If I recall lobbyist have had the ear of both conservatives and liberals... Another point of Capitalism at it's finest...
 
Derfman said:
Yea this is what bugs me at times. I'm against this move as much as most liberals would be, but it's frustrating to see people turn against their precious Capitalism at work and try to pass it off as Socialism when it just isn't true, specially in this case.

Lobbying, buying your way into the political system, these are issues that have been going on for a long time and won't stop anytime soon, this includes Republicans, Democrats and Independents... And once again, this is Capitalism at work and at it's best (or worst depending upon how this effects your wallet or daily life).

You guys may not remember when Bush was meeting in secret to dismantle Amtrak and privatize it amongst multiple private companies (like that will work, every other country with even better rail systems, is government subsidized because it isn't a viable solution to make profit off of but businesses and people need it)...

When their cover was blown the plan blew up in their face, but just like this situation now... I don't see it getting too far unless it gains a bi-partisan support, and since RIAA is pretty much a large corporation like any other, I wouldn't be surprised if there were Republicans also on board with this... :(
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If the corprorations are buying votes and cash, then privately owned goods are not exchanging hands like a free market would, instead the corporations are getting corporate welfare and a clear advantage over anyone else.

Would you call the current internet market a free market, or capitalist market? Probably the latter since you don't understand capitalism, but due to the governments involvement, nothing is capitalist in that market.
 
Derfman said:
And your opinion on lobbying for laws and things such as this? If I recall lobbyist have had the ear of both conservatives and liberals... Another point of Capitalism at it's finest...
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Ask me in about 10-20 years when only one corporation exists and you are a poor man if this is capitalism. Or try and learn what capitalism is during that time.
 
chrisupman said:
It's the record companies to blame not the musicians. The Recording companies need to keep their profits up. Long gone are the days where consumers pay for a piece of physical media that had maybe 2 good songs on 1 album. We can now purchase just one song at a time or more if we choose. The record companies are not making the same profits. So it's time to collect from the broadcasters. If this happens goodbye music radio all we will have on the airwaves is talk radio from now on.

I guess this is the kind of "change" that this administration ran their platform on.
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Reality is it would be better, because the stations would turn to more self recorded music and since now every serious group has the ability to master their own material digitally, they will be in control of their own destiny, not at the whims of the recording company.
 
Zellio2010 said:
Ask me in about 10-20 years when only one corporation exists and you are a poor man if this is capitalism. Or try and learn what capitalism is during that time.
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In 10 to 20 years you and I will be arguing the same point, and it will end with the same statement, and repeat itself again...

Big corporations have too much power on both the conservative and the liberal side of our political system. It's due to a free market that they can move so, oh that's right "freely"... I also feel the same about churches but I won't go any further with that, I will not stomp on anyone's personal beliefs here...
 
Derfman said:
And your opinion on lobbying for laws and things such as this? If I recall lobbyist have had the ear of both conservatives and liberals... Another point of Capitalism at it's finest...
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What you are looking more toward is not capitalism, it's more a combination of feudalism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudalism

Facist economics:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_Fascism

Communist economics:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Communism

And welfare state:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_state

This is not a free market by any means. It's one where the government seizes things for totalitarian control, giving certain companies free rights while making everyone else pay welfare for them.
 
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