Abstain From Buying!!!

[Megalomaniac]

in order to have the conroe prices drop down to reasonable levels, i am suggesting that everyone who has not yet preordered a Conroe, abstain from bying it till prices come down to MSRP....

Yeah... it will be tough.
but we must hold out!

cheers

 

[brucedeluxe169]

we know that already, but ppl just dont know how to wait....

your post will fall on deaf ears

 

[gwai lo]

bah, impulsive buyers make it worse for them and us poor college kids

 

[Trucker61]

Something I am doing, but I doubt the majority will. Everyone has to fulfill their impulsive needs.

 

[Lomic]

IMO this board doesn't have anywhere near the buying power to have an effect on Conroe supply/prices.

 

[mICKEL]

Thats OK (I guess?), my P4 bottlenecks my video card anyway. LOL! (high res, max, duh )

I'm a hungry fish, and I'm bitting.

 

[Yoshiyuki Blade]

Something I am doing, but I doubt the majority will. Everyone has to fulfill their impulsive needs.

I'm sure the majority doesn't even know what Conroe is . Early adopters will always make up a small percentage.

 

[dagon11985]

Can you even buy Conroe chips right now?

 

[Asian Dub Foundation]

im waiting anyways. i want the DFI nf5 intel edition mobo to come out

 

[xFlankerx]

I'm a hungry fish, and I'm bitting.

Haha.

 

[burningrave101]

Can you even buy Conroe chips right now?

The X6800 has started shipping at a few sites. The 27th is suppost to be the official date when retailers will start shipping the rest.

And OP, if everyone waited to buy till prices dropped and then rushed to buy the price would go right back up again. When you find one in stock for a price you're willing to pay then just buy it and don't worry about what its going to cost down the road. The only thing that is going to bring down prices is when Intel ramps production enough over the next several months to meet the demand.

 

[chrisf6969]

the answer is to only buy when prices are reasonably close to MSRP. IF they dont sell at the higher price they will lower back down toward MSRP until they start selling but if people are willing to buy at inflated prices you can't knock them for trying to make the most profit they can from their limited supply.

 

[veek]

Call me cynical, but I agree with Lomic

 

[thedude42]

Call me cynical, but I agree with Lomic

Well, I don't feel cynical at all agreeing with that, but for more than just the power of the [H].

For one, EVERY new architecture relies on the sales fromt he first wafer batches. Depending on the yield the prices will be set accordingly. As the sayign goes, the first chip off the fab costs a few million or more to make, every one after that costs a few pennies to make. You can rest assured that intel's folks have determined exactly how many chips at what prices they need to sell before they will even consider dropping the prices.

So, when you really look at it, the more chips they sell in the beginning, the faster the price MIGHT come down. If not alot of people are buying these up (and the way these chips are performing, it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY they will not sell like hot cakes) then they could choose to drop the prices prematurely to redeam losses that weren't projected.

Truth be told, I'd expect Intel to drop the prices to rock bottom as soon as they can simply to squeeze AMD a bit tighter. Other forums are debating (arguing) about what will happen to AMD over all of this, and quite frankly the price issue is what will answer that question, not the performance of the CPU.

In semiconductors, the initial investment of the fabrication process and equipment involved only pays back if yield per wafer supports the operation. The market will pay what it can bear,a nd with competition from 2 big names it's all about who has the best fabs, and Intel has the advantage there.

 

[cupholder2.0]

While its true that this site has no where near enough buying power to effect the prices, spreading this to people from other forums may effect the prices for just the online retailers such as newegg. for example, a large part of the people who make purchases from newegg are from the online community, so if we stop buying their overpriced products, they have no choices but to lower prices. This should apply not only to conroe, but all the new motherboards aswell.

 

[sculelos]

While its true that this site has no where near enough buying power to effect the prices, spreading this to people from other forums may effect the prices for just the online retailers such as newegg. for example, a large part of the people who make purchases from newegg are from the online community, so if we stop buying their overpriced products, they have no choices but to lower prices. This should apply not only to conroe, but all the new motherboards aswell.

The problem is though that thier are people out there that don't care what it cost as they have tons of money to burn and will buy it anyways.

 

[cupholder2.0]

The problem is though that thier are people out there that don't care what it cost as they have tons of money to burn and will buy it anyways.

Unfourtanatly, true. There are actually people who are paying 270+ for conroe boards right now .

 

[mrgstiffler]

Actually, what you want is for everyone to buy at higher prices. If more CPUs are sold at higher prices then more CPUs will be produced. Producers always produce more when prices are high. And more supply ends up meaning lower prices.

 

[cupholder2.0]

No. If retailers know that people are buying for higher prices, they will keep the prices higher even if there is enough supply. Why sell for less when you know people will actually pay you more?

 

[mrgstiffler]

No. If retailers know that people are buying for higher prices, they will keep the prices higher even if there is enough supply. Why sell for less when you know people will actually pay you more?

Because lower prices = higher demand.

Would you rather sell 100 CPUs for $300 or 200 CPUs for $250?

 

[burningrave101]

Because lower prices = higher demand.

Would you rather sell 100 CPUs for $300 or 200 CPUs for $250?

Trust me, demand will not be an issue with Conroe lol. Vendors would rather have a few left in stock at higher prices then completely sell out and not have anything for several days or more. A lot of times when a user buys a processor they end up buying something else at the same time like a motherboard, RAM, PSU, ect. so it helps to have an item people are looking for.

 

[mrgstiffler]

Trust me, demand will not be an issue with Conroe lol. Vendors would rather have a few left in stock at higher prices then completely sell out and not have anything for several days or more. A lot of times when a user buys a processor they end up buying something else at the same time like a motherboard, RAM, PSU, ect. so it helps to have an item people are looking for.

Demand is ALWAYS an issue for every product. Look at gasoline... everybody uses gas yet demand for it changes daily depending on prices. All retailers try to maximize their profits by matching their prices with demand. Newegg tends to adjust prices on a daily basis. These guys know what they'll be doing and will be adjusting prices to encourage sales and maximize profits.

 

[Megalomaniac]

If [H] doesn't have enough power (and i agree) then how about spreading this to the rest of the forums?

be creative! dont see problems see solutions!

 

[GoldenTiger]

Demand is ALWAYS an issue for every product. Look at gasoline... everybody uses gas yet demand for it changes daily depending on prices. All retailers try to maximize their profits by matching their prices with demand. Newegg tends to adjust prices on a daily basis. These guys know what they'll be doing and will be adjusting prices to encourage sales and maximize profits.

Considering their X6800 Conroe model available sold out literally in about 8-10 hours overnight for 35%+ over MSRP ($1359 sale price instead of $999 MSRP, $1050-1100 normal online), I somehow doubt demand on these chips will be an issue for resellers... more just how high they can price them to profiteer (no, it isn't price GOUGING guys ). Besides, if we want our CPU's ASAP, why shouldn't we buy them? I pre-ordered mine in mid-June .

 

[Donnie27]

Unfourtanatly, true. There are actually people who are paying 270+ for conroe boards right now .

I agree with you! Motherboards and Video Cards are worse than Processors. Even when I preordered I waited for it to drop below the $340 mark. If the next group waits for it to drop to below the $330, we'll see closer that MSRP of $316 by Sept.

 

[GoldenTiger]

I agree with you! Motherboards and Video Cards are worse than Processors. Even when I preordered I waited for it to drop below the $340 mark. If the next group waits for it to drop to below the $330, we'll see closer that MSRP of $316 by Sept.

Motherboards for these CPU's are insane, but I might have to buy one at these inflated prices if I don't want to wait a few months for the prices to drop and remain without my main rig. Videocards are usually kinda bad for the first week or so but then drop at least... the motherboards on these though are killer !

 

[burningrave101]

Demand is ALWAYS an issue for every product. Look at gasoline... everybody uses gas yet demand for it changes daily depending on prices. All retailers try to maximize their profits by matching their prices with demand. Newegg tends to adjust prices on a daily basis. These guys know what they'll be doing and will be adjusting prices to encourage sales and maximize profits.

Demand is not an issue for a product that has higher demand then there will likey be currently available product. Demand doesn't become an issue until everyone has already bought one and the product is readily available. You can look at the availability issues for the Xbox 360 at launch as a comparison for what a product is like when there is a major demand and low availability. Vendors have no reason to only charge MSRP for the processors at launch because there will be a whole first wave of people that will be willing to pay well over MSRP to get one now. The X6800's Newegg got in stock sold out within a few hours and was priced $350+ over MSRP. Demand is NOT an issue for Conroe.

 

[osalcido]

if you don't buy them, Dell, HP, etc. will

so just buy it already you cheapskates

it's not like its gonna all of a sudden drop 50% in price in the next month

 

[Donnie27]

Motherboards for these CPU's are insane, but I might have to buy one at these inflated prices if I don't want to wait a few months for the prices to drop and remain without my main rig. Videocards are usually kinda bad for the first week or so but then drop at least... the motherboards on these though are killer !

You got that right and I might pull the trigger on that Gigabyte board for $142 from either either eWiz or Newegg. Instead of the D3, I wanted the slight updated D4. I'd really like to see a review of the 8X - 4X PCI-E in action. Sad part is, looks like Motherboard prices have went up if anything. That's after a steady increase over the last 3 years. Sad part 2, is that their fracking life span keeps getting shorter. Full featured for i875 was something like my IC7-G Max that sold for $169 after shipping was added. My bud's Asus was $189 with free shipping and we laughed at him for buying such an expensive board, miss those day in 2003

I had a chance to get the MSI-X1800XL 512MB for $199. These were 512MB XT with a BIOS flash. Now, there are now real good deals for $199. I wish Sparks' buddy would sell him his, so I can buy the other he's letting my use. If not, it is back to the X800XL.

 

[mrgstiffler]

Demand is not an issue for a product that has higher demand then there will likey be currently available product. Demand doesn't become an issue until everyone has already bought one and the product is readily available. You can look at the availability issues for the Xbox 360 at launch as a comparison for what a product is like when there is a major demand and low availability. Vendors have no reason to only charge MSRP for the processors at launch because there will be a whole first wave of people that will be willing to pay well over MSRP to get one now. The X6800's Newegg got in stock sold out within a few hours and was priced $350+ over MSRP. Demand is NOT an issue for Conroe.

You don't understand... demand is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS an issue with every single product and service that has ever existed. Prices are set by demand. The reason why retailers are able to charge these prices are specifically because of demand. You are confusing demand with people wanting to buy a product. This is not demand. Demand is how many people are willing to buy a product at a specific price. As the price changes, so does demand. There could be 50,000 people wanting to buy Core 2 CPUs at $250 but they would not be considered part of the demand for the chip at $300. Demand directly affects the price of a product. Demand and pricing affects how much of the product is produced.

 

[mrgstiffler]

Considering their X6800 Conroe model available sold out literally in about 8-10 hours overnight for 35%+ over MSRP ($1359 sale price instead of $999 MSRP, $1050-1100 normal online), I somehow doubt demand on these chips will be an issue for resellers... more just how high they can price them to profiteer (no, it isn't price GOUGING guys ). Besides, if we want our CPU's ASAP, why shouldn't we buy them? I pre-ordered mine in mid-June .

I agree with you, you should be able to buy it ASAP if you feel the price justifies the product. And again you are right that it is NOT price gouging. This is how supply and demand works. The same is true for the people selling water in New Orleans. Our first reaction is $4 for water is outrageous. But as more water is bought for $4 then more is sold because people want to make money. This guarantees that water is available to people. If prices were regulated and people couldn't charge more than $1 for water then there wouldn't be any water for people to drink because it wouldn't be profitable for people to sell it.

 

[cupholder2.0]

I agree with you! Motherboards and Video Cards are worse than Processors. Even when I preordered I waited for it to drop below the $340 mark. If the next group waits for it to drop to below the $330, we'll see closer that MSRP of $316 by Sept.

Yeah, the only boards which are priced decently are the ASrock ones and the low end gigabyte DS3 (even that is expensive ).

 

[burningrave101]

You don't understand... demand is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS an issue with every single product and service that has ever existed. Prices are set by demand. The reason why retailers are able to charge these prices are specifically because of demand. You are confusing demand with people wanting to buy a product. This is not demand. Demand is how many people are willing to buy a product at a specific price. As the price changes, so does demand. There could be 50,000 people wanting to buy Core 2 CPUs at $250 but they would not be considered part of the demand for the chip at $300. Demand directly affects the price of a product. Demand and pricing affects how much of the product is produced.

I know perfeclty well how demand affects pricing fluctuation since this is an area i work in with my own business field. This is something you could learn to understand even from something as simple as selling a specific product on eBay. Demand is very high for Conroe and people will have no problem paying $350+ for an E6600 on launch day. Most all the vendors will likely sell out since it doesn't look like there will be large availability for the first month or two after launch. Intel has millions to be shipped to the OEM's. Retail channels will only be getting a small percentage which will be divided up globally. You are right in saying that demand directly reflects pricing as that is exactly what i have been saying. You are wrong though if you think there isn't a high demand from more then enough people that will pay $40-$50+ over MSRP for a Conroe processor. When AMD released their X2 processors availability wasn't that great and they were selling out even though they were well over MSRP. Thousands will be looking to order the first day Conroe comes in stock so if you expect to get one you better already have a pre-order or be willing to pay whatever the premium is because they most definitely will not be priced at MSRP at launch. Conroe has won the hype all over the net so people are just sitting and waiting to order and once they are in stock they aren't going to just not buy if they are priced higher then MSRP because people dont like to wait when their friends are getting something they aren't. If that wasn't a given fact then the Xbox 360 wouldn't of sold for hundreds more then it was worth on eBay after its launch.

 

[thedude42]

Yeah, demand is soooo important with semiconductor pricing. that's why the Itanium is SOOOO cheap, because of the low demand.

 

[burningrave101]

Yeah, demand is soooo important with semiconductor pricing. that's why the Itanium is SOOOO cheap, because of the low demand.

The reason the Itanium processor is so expensive is because it is a specialized microprocessor using a different architecture then x86. It is meant only for very high-end servers and was optimized for its certain tasks. Demand is but only one factor that drives retail pricing. Availability, cost of production, and the specialization of the component are other factors.

 

[Megalomaniac]

All im saying is this:

Wait a few weeks for inventories to build up,. once that happens, prices will settle at MSRP, then we buy... its very simple.

There is no question of demand. we want them, but at 10-30% percent premiums???

 

[Donnie27]

All im saying is this:

Wait a few weeks for inventories to build up,. once that happens, prices will settle at MSRP, then we buy... its very simple.

There is no question of demand. we want them, but at 10-30% percent premiums???

MSRP, you do know what tha "S" stands for, right? $23.95 added to $316 is hardly going to break my deal and that not even 10% over MSRP. Then many would have simply rounded that out to $325 anyway, if not $330. I pre-orded mind for $339.95.

Not just the 2MB larger L2 but also the 9 multipler.

 

[Donnie27]

Yeah, the only boards which are priced decently are the ASrock ones and the low end gigabyte DS3 (even that is expensive ).

I that's why I canned my Order of the Gigabyte board. It just looks to much like an $89 special The board has wayy yyy too few features to sell for that much. i965P is suppose to be a BUDGET BOARD. So far that hasn't happen. The ABit i965P is just as featureless and costs $150, shakes head!

 

[Boltaction]

What does MSRP stand for?

 

[ToastMaster]

You got that right and I might pull the trigger on that Gigabyte board for $142 from either either eWiz or Newegg. Instead of the D3, I wanted the slight updated D4. I'd really like to see a review of the 8X - 4X PCI-E in action. Sad part is, looks like Motherboard prices have went up if anything. That's after a steady increase over the last 3 years. Sad part 2, is that their fracking life span keeps getting shorter. Full featured for i875 was something like my IC7-G Max that sold for $169 after shipping was added. My bud's Asus was $189 with free shipping and we laughed at him for buying such an expensive board, miss those day in 2003

I had a chance to get the MSI-X1800XL 512MB for $199. These were 512MB XT with a BIOS flash. Now, there are now real good deals for $199. I wish Sparks' buddy would sell him his, so I can buy the other he's letting my use. If not, it is back to the X800XL.

Hey Donnie, any idea if the 3rd party IDE on any of the 965 boards will cause issues when trying to install Windows (since most people aren't using SATA optical drives, and thus will be connecting the drive through the single IDE connector)?