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9800 performance based on PCIe 2.0?
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the new PCI-E 2.0 slots make the video cards MUCH faster and much more efficient. get a new MB with PCI-E 2.0 and then your 2x 9800GX2 will perform at optimal level. the old PCI-E doesnt compare with the new an imporved PCI-E 2.0. there is a difference and i can feel it.
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Uh huh. What is the basis for your argument? Meaning what setup did you have before and now that shows thats there a performance increase by going to PCI-E 2.0? Any actual benchmarks with PCI-E 1.1 vs PCI-E 2.0? Or is this feeling just a gut feeling kind of thing?
look on the net there are lots of bench marks comparing PCI-E 1.1 to PCI-E 2.0. i had a PCI-E 1.1 card in a PCI-E 2.0 slot thats backwards compatible and when i put in the 9600GT which is a 2.0 compatible card i noticed faster response time and its smoother and the colors look deep and concentrated. these 2.0 cards in a 2.0 slot are fast. and very good. try it out. http://www.pcisig.com/news_room/news/press_release/01_15_07/
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Ooookaaaaay.
The performance increase you saw was due to the fact that the 9600GT was probably a better card than the PCI-E 1.1 card you had. However this does not mean that PCI-E 2.0 was the main reason for this. There's also the factors of newer GPU, higher speeds, more VRAM, manufacturing tech, etc. Any combination of the above factors would account for the smoother and faster response time in your games. Not the bloody socket.
What PCI-E 1.1 video card did you use before?
Also, any specific reviews you want to link to that shows that there IS a performance increase with PCI-E 2.0? All of the stuff I'm finding now on the web shows that there is no performance increase whatsoever from going with PCI-E 2.0. Especially evident in HardOCP's review of the HD3870 X2:
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQ1NCwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==
1. benchmarks on the bus speed aren't going to indicate whether a given application (present-day video cards) even use the capability of the old standard. No one is saying 2.0 isn't faster - they're saying the extra speed isn't needed - yet.
2. you lost any credibility when you said that PCI-E 2.0 made colors richer.
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Dude it totally does though, because since it is going faster the colors have less time to fade, duh
One correction here. The bridge chip that connects 2 GPU's on HD3870 X2 is still PCI-E 1.1. The chip on 9800 GX2 is indeed PCI-E 2.0 though.
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Who the hell wants dual 9800gx2's when it will only have 512mb of vram on a 256-bit bus......
that alone will kill the deal for any 2560x1600 gamer.......
the 8800 ultra in tri sli will give dual 9800gx2's a run for their money, especially once the rez starts going up..
that alone will kill the deal for any 2560x1600 gamer.......
the 8800 ultra in tri sli will give dual 9800gx2's a run for their money, especially once the rez starts going up..
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You just need to stop posting dude, everything you post on these boards is random bizarre shit that isn't even close to true. Seriously, just get off these forums and don't come back. Please.
Anyway. PCIe 2.0 support at this point is just something they've implemented because it took very little effort. There is no performance difference due to the increased bandwidth and you can use a 1.1 card in a 2.0 slot and a 2.0 card in a 1.1 slot.
I swear, posts like this are why I hate coming to forums. Always an 'expert' muddying up the waters for people that need assistance. If you don't know and aren't knowledgeable in the subject that you preach then just keep quiet. Nobody will judge you for being a wall flower, but they will judge you for giving out bad info.
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can Draziom get a week long ban just for being ridiculous? that was some of the stupidest nonsense I have ever seen.
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Heh don't sweat it too much Dave, this Draziom guy has been trolling the boards for about a month now. Often times he'll post a thread asking a question claiming he is ignorant and needs help, then he picks a fight with the people who try to help him, wildly throwing around absurd shit like that "PCIE 2.0 makes the colors more vibrant" crap.
I keep going back and forth on whether he is a forum troll or a mental case, or both. He'll ask the same questions over and over, as well.
can Draziom get a week long ban just for being ridiculous? that was some of the stupidest nonsense I have ever seen.
It takes doing something pretty bad to get banned around here, unfortunately this guys level of stupidity/forum trolling doesn't rise to that level I think, since no single post of his breaks any rules, he just makes shit up and that unfortunately isn't a bannable offense that I can see
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can Draziom get a week long ban just for being ridiculous? that was some of the stupidest nonsense I have ever seen.
Hahahaha. PM Major Domo. I'm sure he'd laugh at the prospect of it...
Or convince a particular vengeful moderator that it's spam, since it's all untrue.
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I am reading through Draziom's post history now since I'm rather bored. Oh man there is some comical shit in there. Reminds me of the day I took some pain meds and tranqs for a huge headache and posted some weird crap on here, and didn't even remember it. Maybe this guy is way drugged out of his mind.
how do you know there isn't a performance difference between PCI-E 1.1 vs PCI-E 2.0 ? did you test it? who tells you these things?.. of course there is a performance difference thats why they implemented it. i have personally felt the extra boost and quickness with the PCI-E 2.0 card and PCI-E 2.0 motherboard. the MB MUST be PCI-E 2.0 compatible with a PCI-E 2.0 video card to feel the difference of the performance. i noticed quicker speeds than a PCI-E 1.1 MB and card. i would def upgrade to a MB with PCI-E 2.0 and get a PCI-E 2.0 vid card. you'lle thank me later. time to keep up with technology.
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I always wonder, what does go through the minds of these people? What makes someone go and post non-sensical shit that's been proven wrong and wrong again? It seems that reason and logic does not have an effect on them. Ahh well. It happens.
Draziom, calm down, think and analyze your as well as our statements and arguments. You've been told, shown and been proven wrong before about PCI-E 2.0 in this thread:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1032217028
Seriously, READ, THINK and ANALYZE what we're saying. See reason. Think logically. All of your "arguments" and statements have been shown wrong in this thread and the thread I linked to above.
Post proof that you get quicker speeds, that will help your argument.
Also, start from the beginning and tell us the exact details of what hardware you were using before and after noticing quicker speeds and better color.
If you don't have the ability to provide proof, then just give us the details.
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i was using the 8600GTS and the 9600GT is alot faster. there is the proof. compare the 9600GT to the same comparable 8000 series card and you explian to me WHY the 9600GT is faster. i bet you don't have an explanation for that. plus the 2.0 slots allows 150w. the regular PCI-E 1.1 allows only a measily 75w. dont tell me there isnt any performance there.
Because the 9600GT is faster than the 8600GTS - regardless of the PCI-E revision. The card is a hell of a lot more powerful. GPU is faster, RAM is faster, there are more SPs, etc... This isn't like comparing apple's and orange's, this is like comparing a mini-van to a Ferrari...
But hey, the fastest single-GPU card is still the 8800Ultra, which is *gasp* PCI-E 1.1! ZOMG! Clearly PCI-E 1.1 is faster than 2.0
Oh, and no, the power provided by the slot has zero impact on performance. Let me say that again, the power provided by the slot is completely, 100% useless since all the fast cards have external power connectors (some have more than one) anyway.
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LOL. Oh god this guy is such a tool.
Because the 9600GT is faster than the 8600GTS - regardless of the PCI-E revision. The card is a hell of a lot more powerful. GPU is faster, RAM is faster, there are more SPs, etc... This isn't like comparing apple's and orange's, this is like comparing a mini-van to a Ferrari...
But hey, the fastest single-GPU card is still the 8800Ultra, which is *gasp* PCI-E 1.1! ZOMG! Clearly PCI-E 1.1 is faster than 2.0
Oh, and no, the power provided by the slot has zero impact on performance. Let me say that again, the power provided by the slot is completely, 100% useless since all the fast cards have external power connectors (some have more than one) anyway.
when newer gen cards come out .. they wont need to have 3 total connectors since right now they require 2 which would look off if you had 3 at the card itself
The 8800GTS G92 (just a bit slower than the GTX/Ultra) only needs one power connector (even when plugged into a PCI-E 1.1 slot), so your argument fails. Of course, it really doesn't matter since all PCI-E 2.0 cards have to be backwards compatible with 1.1 slots anyway, so if they need 3 connectors for a 1.1 slot, it will have 3 connectors, and 2.0 board users just won't have to connect 1 (perhaps - it might need them anyway and just not use the extra 75w 2.0 boards supply)
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But I hear PCIe 2.0 makes the colors more vibrant dude!
Are you....serious? The pci-e specification has no effect on colors...whatsoever.
yes the colors are more vibrant with the new 2.0 PCI-E. the faster response times of the card give faster color response to the LCD.
look, let me put it plain and simple. you're an idiot.
if you want to have ANY sort of proof, what you need to compare is the 9600gt in a PCIe 1.1 and PCIe 2 motherboard, and NOT TWO DIFFERENT CARDS
hm im subscribing to this thread, cuz i wanna see the fail develop
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look, let me put it plain and simple. you're an idiot.
if you want to have ANY sort of proof, what you need to compare is the 9600gt in a PCIe 1.1 and PCIe 2 motherboard, and NOT TWO DIFFERENT CARDS
hm im subscribing to this thread, cuz i wanna see the fail develop
Oh god man you don't even have to wait. This guy has been slowly turning into an epic fail for the last month. His post history is so funny that I've already been passing around the link to it to buddies of mine for a good laugh. Check it out sometime.
ha, checkin it out now
EDIT: lmfao this is good for a laugh. this thread (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1285890) in particular is funny as hell
EDIT: lmfao this is good for a laugh. this thread (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1285890) in particular is funny as hell
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ok after reading through that garbage it is clear what his intent is on these forums. can somebody just report Draziom because it seems all he does is play games on here.ha, checkin it out now
EDIT: lmfao this is good for a laugh. this thread (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1285890) in particular is funny as hell
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Draziom, your making my LMAO!
Just be quiet, er, quit posting.
I (and many others) have proved you wrong in many other threads, and now this one.
Lame, just, lame.
PCI-E 1.1 vs 2.0 is a mute argument at this time. The only real advantage I see from using PCI-E 2.0 would be for the hybrid SLI mobo's, but even then 1.1 provides waaay more than enough bandwidth.
Maybe if Fibre Optic cards being utilized by PCI-E 2.0 x16 could have a gain over 1.1 (if used in a backbone server with extreme usage), but for video cards, no.
A 9600GT running on PCI-E 2.0 is going to have nearly the same (if not the same) fps (assuming the system specs remain exactly the same).
You're comparing an 8600GTS to a 9600GT. That's like comparing the card in my sig to a GeForce4 MX 4000. There isn't any contest.
The 9600GT has a WAY higher texture fill rate, way more memory bandwidth (and more memory, depending on the model), and has more, make that a LOT more, stream processors.
Like the others said, you need to compare a 9600GT on a PCI-E 1.1 board to a 2.0 board, not two different cards.
...and as for more "color vibrance" or clarity on PCI-E 2.0, you're full of shit. It depends on the monitor and cable connection. If you went from a VGA cable to DVI-D, then yeah, you should see a big difference in clarity and color vibrance.
But just switching ports won't make a friggin difference. An old 6200 on PCI (assuming DVI-D connection used) will have the same picture quality as a 9600GT on PCI-E or my card on AGP 4x (yes, my temp machine sux, lol).
So please, stop making usless stupid posts. I wouldn't normally call you stupid, but when you have been proven wrong time and time again on the same damn subjects in different threads (and the same threads), that tells me something's up.
Just be quiet, er, quit posting.
I (and many others) have proved you wrong in many other threads, and now this one.
Lame, just, lame.
PCI-E 1.1 vs 2.0 is a mute argument at this time. The only real advantage I see from using PCI-E 2.0 would be for the hybrid SLI mobo's, but even then 1.1 provides waaay more than enough bandwidth.
Maybe if Fibre Optic cards being utilized by PCI-E 2.0 x16 could have a gain over 1.1 (if used in a backbone server with extreme usage), but for video cards, no.
A 9600GT running on PCI-E 2.0 is going to have nearly the same (if not the same) fps (assuming the system specs remain exactly the same).
You're comparing an 8600GTS to a 9600GT. That's like comparing the card in my sig to a GeForce4 MX 4000. There isn't any contest.
The 9600GT has a WAY higher texture fill rate, way more memory bandwidth (and more memory, depending on the model), and has more, make that a LOT more, stream processors.
Like the others said, you need to compare a 9600GT on a PCI-E 1.1 board to a 2.0 board, not two different cards.
...and as for more "color vibrance" or clarity on PCI-E 2.0, you're full of shit. It depends on the monitor and cable connection. If you went from a VGA cable to DVI-D, then yeah, you should see a big difference in clarity and color vibrance.
But just switching ports won't make a friggin difference. An old 6200 on PCI (assuming DVI-D connection used) will have the same picture quality as a 9600GT on PCI-E or my card on AGP 4x (yes, my temp machine sux, lol).
So please, stop making usless stupid posts. I wouldn't normally call you stupid, but when you have been proven wrong time and time again on the same damn subjects in different threads (and the same threads), that tells me something's up.
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