Titan (and likely 390x and 980Ti) already can do 60 steady. The benchmarks always use ULTRA/4XAA, etc. Just remove AA and you gain 20% frame rates. I've been gaming on a GTX 670 at 1080P with custom settings and get 60 steady all the time. Just because there's an ULTRA setting with AA to the max does not mean you NEED to set it there. FPS + Resolution + High is 90% of image quality. Getting another Titan/980Ti is not worth it for the final 10%, but of course, YMMV.
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Titan (and likely 390x and 980Ti) already can do 60 steady. The benchmarks always use ULTRA/4XAA, etc. Just remove AA and you gain 20% frame rates. I've been gaming on a GTX 670 at 1080P with custom settings and get 60 steady all the time. Just because there's an ULTRA setting with AA to the max does not mean you NEED to set it there. FPS + Resolution + High is 90% of image quality. Getting another Titan/980Ti is not worth it for the final 10%, but of course, YMMV.
Not necessarily 144 Hz as you said, but 120 Hz + ULMB improved my K/D ratio and hit percentage. My hit percentage went up 25-30% in Quake Live when I switched to a ROG Swift from a QX2710 and my K/D ratio hits near parity (so yeah, I'm not that great
). The clearness that backlight strobing creates is amazing in fast-paced shooters. Other games it's turned off though for g-sync.Not necessarily 144 Hz as you said, but 120 Hz + ULMB improved my K/D ratio and hit percentage. My hit percentage went up 25-30% in Quake Live when I switched to a ROG Swift from a QX2710 and my K/D ratio hits near parity (so yeah, I'm not that great
So blur reduction improved your K/D ratio? Why would having less blur help your K/D ratio?
Until Pascal comes out we really will not have a GPU that can handle 4K gaming well. Even the Titan X is really pushing to just get close to 60 FPS.
Better accuracy / hit percentage --> so K/D probably improved because I was hitting more people (or my shots were more effective in that they actually hit people in the first place
)http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonev...-gaming-graphics-card-youve-been-waiting-for/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9059/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-x-review/5
4K Medium on BF4, Titan X gets almost 100 FPS, and Ultra gets 58. This is before overclocking, and the Titan X overclocks like a beast. DirectX12 should also give every graphics card a boost as well. There's no reason to wait a year just so we can ULTRA max everything.
But as I said on Ultra it is barely reaching 60 FPS, I am not counting overclocking into the equation.
When I think of gaming well at 4k, I mean a $500-$600 GPU that can run at least Ultra settings without AA and maintain over 60 FPS 90% of the time. I would imagine that the people buying a Titan X will not be running at medium settings.
I'll be buying a 980Ti just for 4K. Driver improvement, overclock, Directx12, will get me a comfortable 60fps on high or ultra with some custom settings. I believe DirectX12 and games written directly for it will get us there for sure. Not buying a card because it's 2 frames off 60 without a mild overclock is just throwing artificial reasons why it's not a good time. Sure, I would love to wait for Pascal, but that's a year away. A year is a long time. I could wait five more years, then I'd be able to purchase a card that runs 4K at 120 FPS. I'd rather live for the moment and worry about what's coming out next year, next year.
I'll be buying a 980Ti just for 4K. Driver improvement, overclock, Directx12, will get me a comfortable 60fps on high or ultra with some custom settings. I believe DirectX12 and games written directly for it will get us there for sure. Not buying a card because it's 2 frames off 60 without a mild overclock is just throwing artificial reasons why it's not a good time. Sure, I would love to wait for Pascal, but that's a year away. A year is a long time. I could wait five more years, then I'd be able to purchase a card that runs 4K at 120 FPS. I'd rather live for the moment and worry about what's coming out next year, next year.
Well if you have the money to throw down for an upgrade every year, then yeah I would go for it. I prefer to keep my GPU's 2-3 years to at least get some life out of them, computers are not my only hobbies to spend my hard earned cash on.
I currently own a GTX 670. I don't upgrade every year either. If it wasn't for 4K, I'd keep chugging along with my 670.
Come on EVGA, need that 980ti on Step Up
It's getting very close. All those bonus games mean they're getting rid of inventory for something new coming...
I certainly hope so! I started with a super budget build w/ a G3258 and GTX750 SC... and quickly realized the error of my ways. So its been upgrade city for a little bit, and for GPU recently got a 4GB 960... I'm hoping within the next month or so we'll hear something!
This is why I went to the 34UM95 it felt like a good balance between 4k and 1440p.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9235/amd-to-launch-new-desktop-gpu-this-quarter-q215-with-hbm
"Superior 4K gameplay." Those are magical words. 980Ti's got some competition. I guess I'll keep playing 1080P on my 40" until I get the benchmarks.
"Superior 4K gameplay." Those are magical words. 980Ti's got some competition. I guess I'll keep playing 1080P on my 40" until I get the benchmarks.
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Superior to what? The 290X, their last card?
Maybe they mean HBM offers superior 4K gameplay to GDDR5.
Maybe they mean HBM offers superior 4K gameplay to GDDR5.
That's why I'm waiting for benchmarks. Or I could buy 980Ti, then use 30 days to make up my mine.
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The 980 Ti? No chance.
When AMD releases something, there's a chance. Only a small chance, there haven't been any good rumors for what AMD is doing at the 970's performance level.
Everything discussed so far are new cards occupying the $500-$1000 price point. Rebranded Hawaii won't cause any reaction from Nvidia.
It already has, but in a stealth way: you get two games free.
At least over here the two games "free" is not free at all as the package costs roughly 50-60 euros more than just with one game. So you could say you are getting one game free. Overall 970 prices have gone up from the start of this year.
I doubt 970 will see any price drops. It remains to be seen if 980 becomes a more viable option but my guess is that 980 Ti will fit firmly between 980 and Titan X at maybe 700-800 euros. Price competition will come from AMD's product lineup.
If the 980 Ti when overclocked can match an overclocked Titan X (which is roughly 970 SLI in performance) then I might consider jumping to that just to have a single GPU (and thus able to enjoy DSR and MFAA with G-Sync).
980ti definitely seems like the sweetspot, at least for now, for 1440p gaming. Enough oomph to handle 1440p on its own, big enough of a VRAM to at least not have to worry about it for a while, and being able to use MFAA should edge 980ti over 970's, unless of course nVidia fixes it.
I just wished there was another out for my 970's (I don't sell my GPU's, not sure where to start).
I just wished there was another out for my 970's (I don't sell my GPU's, not sure where to start).
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@BroHamBone @phillyboy
Hey, we all gotta start posting sometime. At least I try and keep my "chiming in's" a little more substantial. - of course, outside of this one......
Hey, we all gotta start posting sometime. At least I try and keep my "chiming in's" a little more substantial. - of course, outside of this one......
http://hardforum.com/search.php?searchid=29471337
Sounds like they are contributing a lot to the community with in-depth posts every three-four minutes. I agree you have to start somewhere, but this doesn't sound like a good start.
Sounds like they are contributing a lot to the community with in-depth posts every three-four minutes. I agree you have to start somewhere, but this doesn't sound like a good start.
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Heh, I think his account got put in the grinder...
Anyway, about the 970 price drop. I seen today @ $314 w/ two games. Sell those two games and your under $300 for a nice SSC verson and backplate
http://slickdeals.net/f/7846243-evg...n-ak-witcher-3-backplate-314-ar-free-shipping
Probably the best its gonna be before, and mabye a little after, the 980ti releases
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Logic would dictate a sub $800 card. My guess would be $749 at launch IF they launch before AMD.
I think the Titan x will stay at 1000 just like they always have. I think the 980 will come into the $450 market and the 980ti will fill a gap between $500 and $100. Meeting in the middle of the road it will be around $750.
Now, when AMD launches, and if its competitive, then some reshuffling will have to happen, without cannibalizing yourself.
Thinking out loud, when did it become the norm to have $500 + GPU's on the market every 6 months? I guess I missed it, but I remember when $300 was the top of the line. $500 now is mid/high end.
I think the Titan x will stay at 1000 just like they always have. I think the 980 will come into the $450 market and the 980ti will fill a gap between $500 and $100. Meeting in the middle of the road it will be around $750.
Now, when AMD launches, and if its competitive, then some reshuffling will have to happen, without cannibalizing yourself.
Thinking out loud, when did it become the norm to have $500 + GPU's on the market every 6 months? I guess I missed it, but I remember when $300 was the top of the line. $500 now is mid/high end.
Overnight. The "take my money" and "I can afford it I don't care if it's OP" crowd made it true. Unfortunately people have no self control or realize how much power they have by simply using time.
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Yep, it's absolutely ridiculous at this point. I refuse to pay what they are charging for the 980. I do not see how anyone can stand doing that, knowing they just paid $500+ for a card that is still the second or third best on the market. And then Nvidia pulls the stunt they did with the 970 on top of that...and AMD keeps falling further behind on everything. I know someone pointed out some relatively quiet versions of the 290/290x, but the 290 versions cost even more than the quiet versions of the 970 (while being weaker than the 970), with the 290x versions being ridiculously overpriced, relative to performance, like the 980. On top of that, the quiet versions of the 290/290x were still noticeably less quiet than the quiet 970 versions. What a mess for responsible consumers...
And now, 980 Ti will be launched, with 980 dropping to the price, where it should be... but NV cashed those, who bought it since 980 Ti launch
The problem is, that once you cross the treshold and move away from 1080p, you need something more serious than single 970 (if you like the eye candy that is) - so your only option is either wait for another generation, or buy 2nd card... But hell, if people spend more on virtual pixels in a non-existing game of Star Citizen, than they would spend on Titan X SLI, who are we to claim, that current cards are too expensive
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nVidia's profit is still only around ~10%. So at least they are using most of that gross margin on something useful, like the 300 gameworks engineers. That is not cheap.
I'd be more pissed if they were like Apple that just sits on billions and billions and billions.
And since AMD is negative profit that says their prices aren't sustainable....
I'd be more pissed if they were like Apple that just sits on billions and billions and billions.
And since AMD is negative profit that says their prices aren't sustainable....
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lol true about SC.
Well I hope the 980 Ti and what few new cards AMD has to offer will lower the prices on what is available now, but it sounds like a lot of people think there is going to be a negligible effect. But we will see...
It does not bother me that people buy way more expensive parts than I can and/or am willing to buy. Have at it as long as it does not affect me. But unfortunately, more and more people are taking it so far that unfortunately it is affecting everyone else by making the once-affordable (sub-$300) high-end cards below the "flagships" unaffordable. The second-most-powerful GPUs on each side used to be reasonably affordable for anyone that could afford a mid-range gaming computer in the first place.
Now we have an ongoing cycle of: Double Super-GPU, Super-GPU, Double Flagship-GPU, Flagship GPU, CHOOSE: Gimped-GPU or Rocket-Engine GPU, Low-End Gaming GPUs, Low-End Non-Gaming GPUs
The affordable high-end sub-flagship is gone.
Well I hope the 980 Ti and what few new cards AMD has to offer will lower the prices on what is available now, but it sounds like a lot of people think there is going to be a negligible effect. But we will see...
It does not bother me that people buy way more expensive parts than I can and/or am willing to buy. Have at it as long as it does not affect me. But unfortunately, more and more people are taking it so far that unfortunately it is affecting everyone else by making the once-affordable (sub-$300) high-end cards below the "flagships" unaffordable. The second-most-powerful GPUs on each side used to be reasonably affordable for anyone that could afford a mid-range gaming computer in the first place.
Now we have an ongoing cycle of: Double Super-GPU, Super-GPU, Double Flagship-GPU, Flagship GPU, CHOOSE: Gimped-GPU or Rocket-Engine GPU, Low-End Gaming GPUs, Low-End Non-Gaming GPUs
The affordable high-end sub-flagship is gone.
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GTX 970 isn't an affordable high-end sub-flagship?
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It's a gimped 3.5gb card. If it was 4gb (which is the standard now), it absolutely would be. But Nvidia wanted to squeeze out a little more profit, even for a card that on average already costs $325+ for the good models.
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Not again...the GTX970 has 4GB of RAM, not 3.5...just stop it...you look silly.
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How much 980ti will cost plus or minus?