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9060xt

pendragon1 said:
except that the 7700xt still beats it, by a lot, in everything ive seen except tlou2...
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That wasn’t my impression from the reviews. TechPowerUp has the 7700 XT only 4% ahead of the 9060 XT, and RDNA 4 can achieve massive OC’s just by undervolting, so I would expect the 9060 XT to come out even or ahead if both cards have been tweaked for max performance at, say, 180 Watts or less. Then throw in FSR 4 + Redstone in the future vs XeSS on the 7700 XT, and you’re looking at effectively +20% performance on the 9060 vs the 7700 for the same IQ. Even if AMD does bring FSR 4 to RDNA 3 with all the features, I’ll bet it runs at least 10% faster on RDNA 4.

I’d even sell my old 6800 XT if I still had it and pick up a 9060 XT for even money, even though the 6800 XT is a good 15-20% faster on-paper. Not a 7800 XT, though, I’d still pay an extra ~$40 over a 9060 XT for one of those. I’ll grant that I don’t think 16 GB matters at this performance level, though. I doubt the 9060 XT could benefit from more than 12 GB outside of certain contrived scenarios or outlier games. It’s mainly a psychological benefit.
 
arthur_tuxedo said:
That wasn’t my impression from the reviews. TechPowerUp has the 7700 XT only 4% ahead of the 9060 XT, and RDNA 4 can achieve massive OC’s just by undervolting, so I would expect the 9060 XT to come out even or ahead if both cards have been tweaked for max performance at, say, 180 Watts or less. Then throw in FSR 4 + Redstone in the future vs XeSS on the 7700 XT, and you’re looking at effectively +20% performance on the 9060 vs the 7700 for the same IQ. Even if AMD does bring FSR 4 to RDNA 3 with all the features, I’ll bet it runs at least 10% faster on RDNA 4.

I’d even sell my old 6800 XT if I still had it and pick up a 9060 XT for even money, even though the 6800 XT is a good 15-20% faster on-paper. Not a 7800 XT, though, I’d still pay an extra ~$40 over a 9060 XT for one of those. I’ll grant that I don’t think 16 GB matters at this performance level, though. I doubt the 9060 XT could benefit from more than 12 GB outside of certain contrived scenarios or outlier games. It’s mainly a psychological benefit.
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pendragon1 said:
not what ive seen, only a couple games had the 9060xt faster, but those were all yt vids and i dont have hands on either to confirm....
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Every reputable reviewer has the 7700 XT and the 9060 XT in a dead-heat across game averages, plus or minus 2-3%. And that's with RDNA4 drivers being much less mature.

Not to mention the architectural and thermal advancements... zero reason to get a 7700 over a 9060 if they're readily available around the same price.

And any YouTube'r who has the 7700 beating the 9060 "by a lot" needs to recuse themselves from reviewing products. Even the 7800 isn't far enough ahead for the additional power consumption to not be considered.
 
Centauri said:
Every reputable reviewer has the 7700 XT and the 9060 XT in a dead-heat across game averages, plus or minus 2-3%. And that's with RDNA4 drivers being much less mature.

Not to mention the architectural and thermal advancements... zero reason to get a 7700 over a 9060 if they're readily available around the same price.

And any YouTube'r who has the 7700 beating the 9060 "by a lot" needs to recuse themselves from reviewing products. Even the 7800 isn't far enough ahead for the additional power consumption to not be considered.
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it was side by side videos, same settings, only thing it got beat in was tlou2. every other game, i think it was 30ish between what ive watched, the 7700xt was between 5-25fps faster.
i get your point, but its a toss up imo. especially if i dont use all the fake frame bullshit...
 
pendragon1 said:
it was side by side videos, same settings, only thing it got beat in was tlou2. every other game, i think it was 30ish between what ive watched, the 7700xt was between 5-25fps faster.
i get your point, but its a toss up imo. especially if i dont use all the fake frame bullshit...
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Yeah, it is a toss-up, and I think it depends on what you're running and what sort of screen you're driving. No upscaling, no RT unless mandatory, always or mostly run native res, probably go for the 7700XT unless you have vram worries. Trying to drive a Hisense 55" U78G 4k TV without buying a high end card and run the new stuff? I'd be thinking 9060XT. Haven't tried one, but I gave an ARC B580 a pretty good workout at 4k. The games it can't handle at 4k are generally slightly older heavy titles that don't have XeSS or FSR. Like can't get to 60 on low settings can't handle. 9060XT 16GB or 7700XT will be better than a B580, but not hugely better and you'll still end up using some sort of upscaling in heavier titles if you're driving that 4k Hisense in your sig. I suppose the other big caveat with TVs is they're getting fancy upscaling too. I don't know much about this, I just know they're advertising "AI upscaling" on TV specs. Complain all you want about upscaling in games, but 4k TVs just plain need something. A lot of broadcast TV is still 1080p, and at this point any TV that isn't 4k is low end. 2021 Hisense probably doesn't have fancy upscaling built in, but I could easily see new and higher end sets making DLSS/FSR/XeSS obsolete on TVs and that tech trickling down to lower end models and computer monitors. And you know getting rid of 1080p broadcast is going to take ages and another government converter box program.
 
zandor said:
Yeah, it is a toss-up, and I think it depends on what you're running and what sort of screen you're driving. No upscaling, no RT unless mandatory, always or mostly run native res, probably go for the 7700XT unless you have vram worries. Trying to drive a Hisense 55" U78G 4k TV without buying a high end card and run the new stuff? I'd be thinking 9060XT. Haven't tried one, but I gave an ARC B580 a pretty good workout at 4k. The games it can't handle at 4k are generally slightly older heavy titles that don't have XeSS or FSR. Like can't get to 60 on low settings can't handle. 9060XT 16GB or 7700XT will be better than a B580, but not hugely better and you'll still end up using some sort of upscaling in heavier titles if you're driving that 4k Hisense in your sig. I suppose the other big caveat with TVs is they're getting fancy upscaling too. I don't know much about this, I just know they're advertising "AI upscaling" on TV specs. Complain all you want about upscaling in games, but 4k TVs just plain need something. A lot of broadcast TV is still 1080p, and at this point any TV that isn't 4k is low end. 2021 Hisense probably doesn't have fancy upscaling built in, but I could easily see new and higher end sets making DLSS/FSR/XeSS obsolete on TVs and that tech trickling down to lower end models and computer monitors. And you know getting rid of 1080p broadcast is going to take ages and another government converter box program.
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yeah thats the tv im on but its primarily 4k for movies. for gaming i fine with 1440 or 4k with quality(or hq) fsr. i cant do the framegen stuff though, i can feel it. so thats why im undecided. since supply seems fine ill probably wait. i have to redo my work health care shit in august and i can slip "computer hardware" into one of the new categories...
 
pendragon1 said:
yeah thats the tv im on but its primarily 4k for movies. for gaming i fine with 1440 or 4k with quality(or hq) fsr. i cant do the framegen stuff though, i can feel it. so thats why im undecided. since supply seems fine ill probably wait. i have to redo my work health care shit in august and i can slip "computer hardware" into one of the new categories...
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Oh, yeah, I'm not big on framegen either. Hurts latency, I don't feel much difference, and I'm not one of those people who freak out if they're not running 240fps. I just need latency low enough that I can aim properly. Framegen often looks smoother, but it doesn't feel smoother. Sometimes it has a rubberband feel. For most single player stuff I'm quite happy with 1% lows at 60+. A little lower is ok, but 60+ 1% lows is what I usually aim for when adjusting graphics settings in single player games unless it's a straight up shooter. Then I want more. I rarely play fast paced PvP multiplayer and don't have a proper PvP monitor, so if I do I try to lock the monitor at max refresh. 138Hz for the OLED on my main rig or 120Hz for my TV. Drop settings, upscaling, whatever it takes... but no framegen.
 
I saw that Newegg had two models ready to go today, and I ended up with the two fan Sapphire Pulse RX 9060 XT 16GB model for $379.99 and free shipping plus good ole tax bought it to $406.59. sold my RTX 3070 on Facebook locally for $200 to help fund the replacement about two months ago. I picked that Sapphire model because of the size and being able to fit it into a smaller cases.

Also, I buy only Sapphire / XFX / Power Color cards.
 
pendragon1 said:
wasnt asking for your opinion... there was no option.
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There's always an option, like not bothering to game on ancient gear until your stuff comes back from RMA. Testing with an ancient proc is entertaining, but I'd probably just watch TV, read a book, etc. until I fixed my setup.
 
pendragon1 said:
what happens if your main rig goes down and all ya got to get by with is an old FX based setup?
for curiosity's sake he puts it on a 6330...

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhdsRy86uoc
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Yeah I saw this yesterday.
I'm subscribed to him, Budget-Builds and Iceberg Tech and love the "Can they game in 2025?" episodes.
I still have the 6300 I bought for my son brand new when it dropped for $95.
That damn thing bottlenecked the R9 270 I had paired with it from day 1, clocked it to 4.5GHz and it was a little better. :LOL: And the GTX 670 I let him use after the 270 died was even worse.
I'm surprised it did as good as it did with the 9060XT, which is more the target audience than the 9800X3D crowd, even being bottlenecked @ 1440p.

The 6300 is now in a encoder/Handbreak box that spends most of it's time @ 100% for days on end without a peep.
Also got 2 8320's and a 4300 kicking around.
 
Wow the 9060XT is actually 42% faster than the 5060 at 1080p raytracing (10 games benched and averaged).

This is embarrassing for Nvidia. In their greed, they NERFED their own video cards too HARD.

Even if you are an Nvidia fanboy, do yourself a favor and skip the 50 series unless you are buying the 5090 for the bleeding edge.

All the other SKUs in that series represent awful value for money.

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Centauri said:
Every reputable reviewer has the 7700 XT and the 9060 XT in a dead-heat across game averages, plus or minus 2-3%. And that's with RDNA4 drivers being much less mature.

Not to mention the architectural and thermal advancements... zero reason to get a 7700 over a 9060 if they're readily available around the same price.

And any YouTube'r who has the 7700 beating the 9060 "by a lot" needs to recuse themselves from reviewing products. Even the 7800 isn't far enough ahead for the additional power consumption to not be considered.
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9060 XT will win in ray tracing. For pure raster, yes it should be a dead heat. Also consider that the 9060XT 16GB has 4GB more of ram than the 7700XT which comes standard with 12GB.

IF you can get the 9060 XT 16GB for MSRP, it's a clear winner over the 7700 XT.

Now if you can get the 7700 XT for cheap and don't care about ray tracing, then it's a viable option in today's crazy GPU market.
 
I'm interested in how the 9060 XT 16GB handles Re Live as to record itself in game play, how much is the hit now to fps as it should have no issues with the vram and how good is video streaming on the new card.
 
crazycrave said:
I'm interested in how the 9060 XT 16GB handles Re Live as to record itself in game play, how much is the hit now to fps as it should have no issues with the vram and how good is video streaming on the new card.
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you have one, try it.
 
From what I'm seeing, 16gb 9060 XT's are going for about 400$ USD

fantastic little card for that. Really shouldn't be looking at anything else for 1080p/1440p in the 'budget' offerings.

Only reason to go up higher is if you want to target 4K, and you'll need to go up a tier to the 9070 XT for that (for like double the price)

Oh and ignore the 8gb model, even for 299 (which most are selling at) it's not worth it.
 
it is a decent card, still a little pricey for what it is though. cheapest ive seem them up here is for $490. $400 used to get me the *700 class (now the 9070s)....
 
pendragon1 said:
it is a decent card, still a little pricey for what it is though. cheapest ive seem them up here is for $490. $400 used to get me the *700 class (now the 9070s)....
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Yeah, but prices like that we're not gonna see for awhile.

In short, TSMC can just raise prices to whatever they want to charge.

Companies will pay it and pass on the cost of the silicon to the consumer.

Inflation also has been running too hot. So I'm just expecting prices of things like GPU's to go up.

In short, these prices for 'mid range' parts to me are the new normal until someone gets close to TSMC in offering competitive nodes.
 
Sindalis said:
In short, TSMC can just raise prices to whatever they want to charge.
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To a point, their margin did not change that much since 2016 it seems and went down after the Ethereum mining stopped peak, because they had to charge less.

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Apple, AMD and other clients cannot charge the price they want, so they cannot pay any price for a wafer and TSMC cannot charge any price they want.

Sindalis said:
new normal until someone gets close to TSMC in offering competitive nodes.
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Could be a new normal until a raw technological change, not just competition, they could go back to a 4x% company with big competition, but price increase followed cost increase for the most part.
 
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LukeTbk said:
To a point it seems, their margin did not change that much since 2016 it seems and went down after the Ethereum mining stopped peak, because they had to charge less.

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Apple, AMD and other clients cannot charge the price they want, so they cannot pay any price for a wafer and TSMC cannot charge any price they want.


Could be a new normal until a raw technological change, not just competition, they could go back to a 4x% company with big competition, but price increase followed cost increase for the most part.
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It's amazing how expensive polished silicon costs.

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This unremarkable but incredibly pure sand becomes the centerpiece of your PC's CPU or GPU.

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zandor said:
Newegg has them for $370 (ASRock Challenger) and up.
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Yup, don't make the mistake of buying the 8GB card. Not worth it in 2025.

I could see a 12GB model being sufficient for 1080P or maybe even 1440P but 8GB has real performance issues in several modern games.
 
TheHig said:
Yeah the ones I can go buy hassle free here at Micro Center are $389 and up. 16g cards obv
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Same at mine, took a while before the 16GB MSRP cards sold out too. Have any of the 9070 or XTs been marked down at your location? A few of each have near me but nothing down to MSRP yet.
 
Prince Valiant said:
Same at mine, took a while before the 16GB MSRP cards sold out too. Have any of the 9070 or XTs been marked down at your location? A few of each have near me but nothing down to MSRP yet.
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You gotta remember that the “MSRP” for the 9070s was fake as the price at launch was subsidized by AMD giving rebates directly to the board partners . The actual MSRP of the cards is basically what we’re seeing now, roughly $700 or so which aligns with past AMD pricing strategies of “Nvidia minus $50”

That being said at the microcenters near me there are a lot more 9070 series being sold as open box than before. So while there probably won’t be any available at $550 and $600 new, getting some for $580 and $630 open box with full warranty is a decent consolation
 
Cheapest 9060xt 16gb I'm seeing is a Powercolor on amazon for $370. Not a horrible markup considering it probably has a custom PCB.
 
vjhawk said:
I could see a 12GB model being sufficient for 1080P or maybe even 1440P but 8GB has real performance issues in several modern games.
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I think 12GB is fine on my ARC B580, but wouldn't be on a faster card. How much faster I'm not sure. 9060XT is ballpark 1/3 faster than a B580, so I figure it would run into situations where it would be held back with 12GB more than a B580, but probably not a lot more. I don't think 12GB is enough for an RTX 5070. Those are ~80% faster than a B580 and could actually run fancy RT stuff where my B580 gives me 40fps. A hypothetical 12GB 9060XT with a 192-bit bus might actually be better. It would be in some situations. 192-bit bus would have 50% more memory bandwidth, so it would be faster as long as it didn't run out of vram.

I don't think monitor/TV resolution really drives how much vram a card needs anymore. I think it's more about GPU performance. Maybe that's what you meant - a 1440p card, not a 1440p screen. RT also tends to suck up vram, so it's not just display resolution anymore, but actual render resolution + whatever other vram sucking stuff you turn on or the game requires.
 
I'm using a 43" Roku 4K TV @ 60hz via hdmi with the RX 9060 XT 16GB card, it was just a cheap TV from Wal - Mart for $228 about 3 years ago, it is kind of geared towards consoles gaming as to give smooth game play even at 35fps, the Crysis Remastered video that I posted was my TV as the display being recorded.
 
picked up a 16gb last week and im pretty happy with it, still not happy with price but what can you do, at least i got it for msrp.
got the powercolor reaper version for the size, to clear all my water cooling. then after getting it installed i decided to install a mobo i had been sitting on, got a massive leak in my cpu block and ended up ripping it all apart and going back to air. wish it would have happened before i got the card, i would have gotten a 3 fan model.
this little thing ocs great but there isnt enough cooler. with +200 core, -50mv, +100 mem, its pushing to and holding 3400+ BUT it gets toasty, with the hot spot and mem pushing 90s and the core is sitting at 70ish.
keeping the oc within "comfortable" temps its fine and the system is now probably quieter than my custom 360 loop(cpu and gpu)...
 
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