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With how cheap these 7950's have gotten and the recent improvements in crossfire mode with the updated drivers. Would a crossfire 7950 or 770 perform faster in battlefield 3? Hell with how cheap 7950's are I can almost run 3 way 7950 for the price of 1 770
 
Xfire! Hell, 1 7950 BF3 @ 1080p hits 60fps. Two will beat that game to death.
 
See-Fu said:
With how cheap these 7950's have gotten and the recent improvements in crossfire mode with the updated drivers. Would a crossfire 7950 or 770 perform faster in battlefield 3? Hell with how cheap 7950's are I can almost run 3 way 7950 for the price of 1 770
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a 770 costs 400 bucks so you are saying that a 7950 only costs about 135 bucks? and no way would I use SLI or especially crossfire. just adds way more potential issues and AMD still has a long way to go. people keep acting like their issues are fixed when they dont even address DX9 games with the frame pacing. also it would be more helpful if you actually listed your specs. other than the 7950, you mention nothing about your pc or resolution you will be gaming at.
 
cannondale06 said:
a 770 costs 400 bucks so you are saying that a 7950 only costs about 135 bucks? and no way would I use SLI or especially crossfire. just adds way more potential issues and AMD still has a long way to go. people keep acting like their issues are fixed when they dont even address DX9 games with the frame pacing. also it would be more helpful if you actually listed your specs. other than the 7950, you mention nothing about your pc or resolution you will be gaming at.
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I think we can assume my system is adequate to push either 1 770 or 2 7950's but the specs are

i7-2700
2500x1600 resolution
8 gig memory

I never said I could get 3, I said I could almost. I think 7950's can be had for $160 now if you wait for a deal to come around.
 
See-Fu said:
I think 7950's can be had for $160 now if you wait for a deal to come around.
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Almost correct. On Saturday I picked up the XFX 7950 Core Edition with 4 games for $169.99 AR. Now I am just waiting for the new frame pacing drivers to come out for my crossfire eyefinity setup!
 
See-Fu said:
I think we can assume my system is adequate to push either 1 770 or 2 7950's but the specs are

i7-2700
2500x1600 resolution
8 gig memory

I never said I could get 3, I said I could almost. I think 7950's can be had for $160 now if you wait for a deal to come around.
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HD 7970 Ghz(1050 mhz) = HD 7950(1125 mhz) = GTX 770. so yeah a HD 7950 CF is going to crush a single GTX 770.

but if I were you I would wait for Hawaii Pro aka HD 9950 launching early - mid Oct. Hawaii is going to be unveiled on sep 25th to the press. you will soon get to know more details. also Hawaii cards will mostly be bundled with BF4. Its better to check out how HD 9950 performs and then decide on what to buy.
 
MrC4 said:
Almost correct. On Saturday I picked up the XFX 7950 Core Edition with 4 games for $169.99 AR. Now I am just waiting for the new frame pacing drivers to come out for my crossfire eyefinity setup!
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I'm sure you could ebay the games off for $25.
 
Thanks for the responses. looks like i'll wait to see what happens in sept and at worst, 7950 crossfire seems to be the way to go
 
If you can get a 7950 for ~180 or so just do it. 7950 crossfire will likely outperform anything that Hawaii has to offer except the 8990. So why wait? If it is straight performance you want, now is the time to crossfire. Course you could wait for the release of the drivers. But at your resolution at 60hz you're good with crossfire 7950.
 
An overclocked 7950 is about as fast as a GTX770, nevermind crossfire 7950 is a great value.
 
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After the crossfire issues ive had, i think that i will always chose a single card setup vs a dual card. In hindsight, it cost me fps per dollar due to my favorite games ending up having a bug of one kind or another or not being reasonably crossfire compatible. Farcry 3 had microstuttering, skyrim couldnt run well with the popular enb mods, etc

my own personal experiences, i would rather have 70 in all games rather than 90 in half of my games and 40 in the other half of my games.
 
The difference between 7950 and GTX770 when both are overclocked is much smaller than that though. Just something to keep in mind.
 
an avg clocking HD 7950 at 1125 mhz matches a stock GTX 770 while costing half the price. also OP for single monitor CF frame pacing phase 1 for DX11 / DX10 games is already out. phase 2 with DX 9 / OpenGL games should be coming soon. I expect they will be here before the Hawaii retail launch in early - mid Oct.
 
Lets use russian reversal: in how many games would a single 2560x1600 gamer be better served by a GTX 770 over CF 7950?
 
I am always for ati ,but some my friends enjoy nvidia.Nvidia also have better driver.
 
If you are looking for just which will run BF4 best, the two 7950's will outperform the 770 by quite a bit. I mean the performance won't even be comparable in games that have crossfire support.
 
Klapcos said:
Don't even think of getting an AMD 7900 series for crossfire see here:

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...nd-Single-and-Multi-GPU-Configurations/AMD-Ey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4hxP_OCcKQ
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1781807

Get a GTX770 if you want a smooth experience.
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Linking pcper's article now? Two can play that game:

Recently I read an article on one of the popular technology websites which drew a comparison between multi-monitor gaming and 4K displays, joining the frame in claiming that Nvidia has a superior experience in 4K over AMD. Our experience, however - was exactly the opposite.

First a bit of a background - here at BSN we have more than five years of experience working with 4K equipment, including displays. And while as a video enthusiast and 4K gaming proponent I just have to state that while gaming on a 4K panel is more immersive than AMD's Eyefinity and Nvidia (3D) Surround - the biggest problem lies within the displays themselves.
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When running on GeForce cards (tested with GTX 580 / 590 / 680 / Titan), games would show a Vertical tear (not a horizontal one), regardless of running with Vsync on or off. Furthermore, Nvidia cards would display the Start bar only to 50% of the screen, and the wallpaper was double.

Our test setup - we use 7970 boards from PowerColor and GTX Titan cards from Nvidia.

On the other hand, AMD Radeon hardware (tested on HD 7970) worked simple - just select Eyefinity mode and voila, the task bar would fill the screen, single wallpaper and most importantly, no vertical tear in the middle.
The reason for these issues was simple - the display required two Dual-Link DVI cables and Nvidia consumer cards experienced issues when running in dual display setup. The story was exactly the opposite on the Quadro cards, as witnessed after running the Quadro K5000 - no tearing what so ever, and unified display (single wallpaper). After we worked with Nvidia on explaining the exact nature of the problems, the company released a driver that fixed all of the issues encountered.

At the time, AMD offered better game experience, as you can read in our detailed 4K Shootout article. Bear in mind that we have tested scaling between a single, dual and triple-GPU configuration between AMD and Nvidia.

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And this brings us to the most important part of the whole story. Why would someone write an article mentioning or criticizing 4K gaming experience a week ahead of AMD's launch of 4K optimized drivers and the Hawaii GPU architecture in (you've guessed it) - Hawaii?
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http://www.brightsideofnews.com/new...rketing-offensive-ahead-of-hawaii-launch.aspx

OP, get the 7950s.

Price/performance-wise, Nvidia can't hold a candle to AMD.
 
Cool Vibrations said:
Linking pcper's article now? Two can play that game:



http://www.brightsideofnews.com/new...rketing-offensive-ahead-of-hawaii-launch.aspx

OP, get the 7950s.

Price/performance-wise, Nvidia can't hold a candle to AMD.
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LMFAO linking that garbage HILARIOUS!!!
The BSN article also avoids many facts and literally compares apples to oranges. The setups used by Ryan can't be equated to BSN's methods of testing.
The BSN article doesn't have any proof or facts so it is a pretty ridiculous article.

OP: If you want smooth experience in all your games GTX770 and later add another for SLI and keep the smoothness. Don't listen to uninformed AMD fanboys because you are going to regret your purchase.
 
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2500x1600 resolution

how about the extra gig of memory on the ATI any help in this?
not sure if he running 60Hz or 120Hz
 
Klapcos said:
Observed the memory usage here and 2GB is still plenty enough for 1080x1920 & 2500x1600
If you go 2-3 monitors beyond 2500x1600 3GB+ VRAM recommended.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/ultra_high_definition_pc_gaming_benchmark_review_uhd,5.html

I have only seen a handful of tech demos reaching 1.98GB on my cards. And if I put super high Super Sampling Anti Aliasing like x16 or ridiculous higher I might reach 2GB VRAM.
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well of course your cards cant go over 2gb because you dont have it. some games will make use of more vram if its available. no way I would buy a high end gpu with only 2gb of vram at this point especially at 2560x1600.
 
A 1100-1200mhz 7950 vs a 770 will be within +/-5% of a 770. 2 cards at those clocks will be very close to 770sli if not the same or better in some games. If it was 780 vs 7950cf I'd say 780, but 7950cf is a no brainer in this case.
 
Well, to give you an idea, my Radeon 7930s in CFX STOMP my Single GTX670 @ 1100Mhz Core/7Ghz Memory. Two 7950s would obliterate a GTX770.
 
HOODedDutchman said:
A 1100-1200mhz 7950 vs a 770 will be within +/-5% of a 770. 2 cards at those clocks will be very close to 770sli if not the same or better in some games. If it was 780 vs 7950cf I'd say 780, but 7950cf is a no brainer in this case.
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I have had 770 SLI and 7950CF within the last two months, and the 7950's were not even close to the same experience as the 770 SLI (ironically I sold the 770's thinking the new CF fix drivers would make it way better than my last experience with them and I could save some money with the great 7950 prices). If I only played BF3, maybe it would be similar but many other games I like to play are not supported with the 13.8b2 or 13.10 drivers due to being DX9. I tried to wait it out for the rest of the "fix" driver but it was absolutely obnoxious having to disable half of my purchase to play most of my games smoothly at 2560x1600. I play a lot of heavily modded Skyrim and ended up taking both 7950's out and cobbling together a single 120mm loop for a waterblocked 680 I have because the stuttering was so bad even on single GPU. That game is obviously a special case like Far Cry 3 that stutters on everything, but the point is I don't spend hundreds of dollars on GPU's to only use one or have to futz around with settings for hours trying to get the game to play well when the competition does it flawlessly out of the box.

In the end I returned the 7950's which were still in the 30 day window and spent the extra $100 on a 780 DCII and it was a great decision. I am able to enjoy my games again without worrying about anything, and as an added bonus my 780 overclocks to 1300mhz very easily and nearly matches the stock performance of the 770's or 7950's in SLI/CF. I don't care what brand is on the box, I just want to play at the settings I like without hassle.
 
LigTasm said:
I have had 770 SLI and 7950CF within the last two months, and the 7950's were not even close to the same experience as the 770 SLI (ironically I sold the 770's thinking the new CF fix drivers would make it way better than my last experience with them and I could save some money with the great 7950 prices). If I only played BF3, maybe it would be similar but many other games I like to play are not supported with the 13.8b2 or 13.10 drivers due to being DX9. I tried to wait it out for the rest of the "fix" driver but it was absolutely obnoxious having to disable half of my purchase to play most of my games smoothly at 2560x1600. I play a lot of heavily modded Skyrim and ended up taking both 7950's out and cobbling together a single 120mm loop for a waterblocked 680 I have because the stuttering was so bad even on single GPU. That game is obviously a special case like Far Cry 3 that stutters on everything, but the point is I don't spend hundreds of dollars on GPU's to only use one or have to futz around with settings for hours trying to get the game to play well when the competition does it flawlessly out of the box.

In the end I returned the 7950's which were still in the 30 day window and spent the extra $100 on a 780 DCII and it was a great decision. I am able to enjoy my games again without worrying about anything, and as an added bonus my 780 overclocks to 1300mhz very easily and nearly matches the stock performance of the 770's or 7950's in SLI/CF. I don't care what brand is on the box, I just want to play at the settings I like without hassle.
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No doubt that there are myriad issues right now with the stuttering. But if you're thinking even just a bit long term, the drivers are almost out. And if they just have similar performance to what they've been doing the 7950 in CF on most games it is going to be an unbeatable deal. If you have the PSU, what is the point of buying a 770 that costs nearly as much as two 7950's? I guess if you need the performance RIGHT NOW on direct x 9 games sure. I think buying a 780 was a good idea for you, I'm just saying that paying 100-200 dollars more for equal performance (if you overclock) is not really a feasible option for most people.
 
Comparing a mid/high end card like that 7950 to GTX680 or GTX770 is a joke ROFL. If you would mention a 7970 I would consider. Go spread your lies somewhere else to the un-informed crowd please LOL

If you have links that proof of a 7950 matching a 680 or 770 both overclocked , enlighten the rest of us please because I'm already laughing here irl :DDD
 
LigTasm said:
I have had 770 SLI and 7950CF within the last two months, and the 7950's were not even close to the same experience as the 770 SLI (ironically I sold the 770's thinking the new CF fix drivers would make it way better than my last experience with them and I could save some money with the great 7950 prices). If I only played BF3, maybe it would be similar but many other games I like to play are not supported with the 13.8b2 or 13.10 drivers due to being DX9. I tried to wait it out for the rest of the "fix" driver but it was absolutely obnoxious having to disable half of my purchase to play most of my games smoothly at 2560x1600. I play a lot of heavily modded Skyrim and ended up taking both 7950's out and cobbling together a single 120mm loop for a waterblocked 680 I have because the stuttering was so bad even on single GPU. That game is obviously a special case like Far Cry 3 that stutters on everything, but the point is I don't spend hundreds of dollars on GPU's to only use one or have to futz around with settings for hours trying to get the game to play well when the competition does it flawlessly out of the box.

In the end I returned the 7950's which were still in the 30 day window and spent the extra $100 on a 780 DCII and it was a great decision. I am able to enjoy my games again without worrying about anything, and as an added bonus my 780 overclocks to 1300mhz very easily and nearly matches the stock performance of the 770's or 7950's in SLI/CF. I don't care what brand is on the box, I just want to play at the settings I like without hassle.
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Good for you that you're getting a good experience now with pc gaming and that is ALL that matters ;)
 
greybaby said:
No doubt that there are myriad issues right now with the stuttering. But if you're thinking even just a bit long term, the drivers are almost out. And if they just have similar performance to what they've been doing the 7950 in CF on most games it is going to be an unbeatable deal. If you have the PSU, what is the point of buying a 770 that costs nearly as much as two 7950's? I guess if you need the performance RIGHT NOW on direct x 9 games sure. I think buying a 780 was a good idea for you, I'm just saying that paying 100-200 dollars more for equal performance (if you overclock) is not really a feasible option for most people.
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Sorry, I forgot to address the original issue :D In OP's situation I would still go for the 7950CF, I was at work and in a hurry so it escaped me. For the price of one 770 they are clearly way more powerful of a setup, no doubt about it. My point was to consider carefully what you want to play. Possibly the rest of the fix drivers are out with the R9 series, but what if they aren't? I don't think there has been any official word on this but I hope it is true. Both AMD and Nvidia have crappy track records with new releases, the 700 series still isn't all sorted out and it was just a refresh.

Klapcos said:
Good for you that you're getting a good experience now with pc gaming and that is ALL that matters ;)
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Yeah, I tried to save some money selling the 770's for ~$850 and picking up the 7950 CF for $219 a piece for MSI TFIII unlocked cards with 7970 PCB, but I was just not happy. One card was sooooo close to providing the right amount of performance but fell a little short even OC'd to 1300mhz, as I play at both 1600p and 120hz 1080p. The 780 was just enough kick in the pants to get me where I want to be, but I would have never bought it straight up if I didn't have the big old store credit when I returned the 7950's.
 
LigTasm said:
Sorry, I forgot to address the original issue :D In OP's situation I would still go for the 7950CF, I was at work and in a hurry so it escaped me. For the price of one 770 they are clearly way more powerful of a setup, no doubt about it. My point was to consider carefully what you want to play. Possibly the rest of the fix drivers are out with the R9 series, but what if they aren't? I don't think there has been any official word on this but I hope it is true. Both AMD and Nvidia have crappy track records with new releases, the 700 series still isn't all sorted out and it was just a refresh.
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Yeah I totally agree. Crappy track records all around. And I agree with you, people should just generally look at which games they want to play the most and look at which brand and card give you the best performance. There are games that favor either and some that work terribly with sli and crossfire. It is the best way to buy cards, though it can mean you switch out cards a lot!
 
In the mean time you could have used a framerate cap with afterburner or radeon pro. It completely fixes microstutter. It even helps with sli. Or even single cards for that matter. Its worth using. If you're using a 60hz display a pair of overclocked 7950s are more than enough to keep your fps well over 60 in most games and I'm talking about at 1440p.

If it weren't for me moving to a 120hz catleap (2560x1440) display I would have stuck with 7950s. They're an amazing value for the price. I'm not blown away by GK104. They perform like mid-range gpus at times. The performance isn't as consistent as I'm used to from a big gpu like GTX570, 280, Titan, and even Tahiti. Honestly, GTX 680 and 770 remind me of 4870 in that way. I wouldn't pay that much more for GTX680 than a 7950 if you're willing to overclock. Unless you're a 3d vision user.

greybaby said:
No doubt that there are myriad issues right now with the stuttering.
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I can tell you aren't speaking from any experience at all. AMD has released a fix for DX10 and 11 titles on a single display. In the games without any fix you can't set up a framerate cap. 7950 cf on a single display will run most games well over 60 fps anyways. Also, a 59fps cap will clear up input lag when using vsync. Another big reason to use it microstutter or not.

I also find it funny that a year ago I was one of the few people complaining about microstutter. Now every fanboy is on the bandwagon.
 
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Klapcos said:
Comparing a mid/high end card like that 7950 to GTX680 or GTX770 is a joke ROFL. If you would mention a 7970 I would consider. Go spread your lies somewhere else to the un-informed crowd please LOL

If you have links that proof of a 7950 matching a 680 or 770 both overclocked , enlighten the rest of us please because I'm already laughing here irl :DDD
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Inform yourself.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/his_radeon_7950_x_iceq_review,20.html
U say 7970. There is less than 5% diff clock for clock between 7950 and 7970. Your talking about a GPU that can over clock 50% on core over reference speeds. Use Google before these cocky comments come out.
http://HEXUS.net/tech/reviews/graphics/34761-amd-hd-7950-vs-hd-7970-clocks/?page=10
 
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