9700NP had a few glitches with version 1.0, but was fine after installing patch 1.1. Ironically I had no ssues with the ti4200 it replaced. The GT has major errors (and a lot of problems with mipmap levels) - sometimes it even locks up. I had a lockup when downclocked to 300/900 (for testing purposes only) so don't know why it happens, just seems random. It aint really playable, but then I won't put up with glitches unless they're very minor.Ballz2TheWallz said:
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6800-U vs X800-XT
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Honestly, dollar for dollar your best bet would be either an x800xL (not xt) or a BFG 6600gt overclocked to Ultra speeds. I have been trying to decide for a long time and these two look to be the best values. If I wanted to blow $500 for something a little bit fatser I might get the Xtasy x850 xt, since it is just under $500 delivered.
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Pr0d1gy said:
Think you meant 6800 GT not 6600 GT.
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Pr0d1gy said:
LOL....right dude...600/1.2 on a 6600gt would still get dusted by a stock 6800gt...dont even mention the ultra...it is missing a whopping 8 pipelines and the arcitecture of the core of the 6600gt is not as good as the nv40 and the memory on hte 6600gt is half and halfd the bus speed (128bit)
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You can find them plenty of places. ATI changed the old X800XTPEs so they'd have higher yields, thus making them not as rare as 6800UEE.
I say go for the X850XT. It suits your games better, is a killer card, and will beat out the 6800U on basically everything you said you'd be playing.
The Purpose was not to make a Card that was leaps and bounds faster but to as the poster before me have said a card that could be produced much more easily and chepaer.
The X850XT is the same speed as a X800XTPE and is alot cooler. I would go with it since its single slot readily availble and suits your gaming needs.
I have an x800xt-pe and a 6800ultra.
The 6800 is in my wifes PC, and the x800 is in my PC. I use the x800 because my experience with the 6800 have forced me to consider it a distinctly inferior videocard.
It was noticeably slower in 4 of the 5 games I tested when I had it in my PC. It also had more graphics problems in those 5 games than my X800 had in the over 30+ games I had played on that card. I have now played over 40 games on the x800 and still haven't had as many problems as the 6800 had with just those 5 (EQ2, NFSU2, Half-life 2, MOH
A, Battle for Middle Earth)
The 6800 is in my wifes PC, and the x800 is in my PC. I use the x800 because my experience with the 6800 have forced me to consider it a distinctly inferior videocard.
It was noticeably slower in 4 of the 5 games I tested when I had it in my PC. It also had more graphics problems in those 5 games than my X800 had in the over 30+ games I had played on that card. I have now played over 40 games on the x800 and still haven't had as many problems as the 6800 had with just those 5 (EQ2, NFSU2, Half-life 2, MOH
A, Battle for Middle Earth)banned_user
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Really, is there a major difference in using ATI cards and Nvidia cards on LCD's?
sleepeeg3 said:
If you can even find a X800XT Phantom Edition in stock and for sale then odds are it will cost twice as much as a 6800GT. Otherwise, your point is valid.
aZn_plyR said:
Don't knock it till you've tried it, bud. This thing is only barely slower than the 6800GT and theoretically outperforms the 6800 (twice the speed with half the pipes).
Optimus said:
ok now here is someone who :
1) beleives in santa claus
2) has Nvidia stock ( NASDAQ : NVDA )
your first point is totally flawd on every aspect.
your second one insinuates santas existence.
you'd need a 6600GT @ 700/2200 to get ~ 6800GT 128mb...
now maybe you could get that core with a pelt (+ heavy modding), but just forget about the mem... (by the way, 6800GT 128 gets dusted by 6800GT 256mb @ stock)
I'm not anti ATI, however i have had nothing but bad experience with thier equipement, however i am an unlucky guy i understand other people dont have same aweful experiences and i do believe in their tech enough to own stock in ati, i just sold my nvda stock @27 but i'd still buy an nvidia card for myself, i've never had a bad experience with them yet.. well unless you count that onetime msi sent me a pos 4200 but then agian msi is another company thats screwed me in some cosmic computer curse that means im doomed from here until etternity. which is why im giving dfi my mb shot this time around...but back to subject if it was MY choice i'd pick nvidia just because i havn't had problems with them yet
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I'm also concidering between these two cards
BFG 6800 Ultra =$450 (ZipZoomFly) = Liftime Warranty
ATI All-in-Wonder X800 XT =$480 (ZipZoomFly) = 3 year Warranty
OR/ Sapphire X800 XT PE =$480 (ZipZoomFly) = 1 Year Warranty
Ok you'll probably find them a bit cheaper somewhere else, but Newegg or ZipZoom has fast delivery and a no-nonsense return policy.
My friend and I build gaming systems and within the last 2 years we have both gone thru 4 Ati cards, they all crapped out. Three 9700 pros; a Gigabyte, Powercolor and Saphhire. The last card to crap out was an MSI 9800XT. These were all our own personal cards for gaming.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not a die hard fan of either Nvidia or ATI, and I'm aware that cards do go bad, we where continually buying ATI so I can't compare.
My point its this, everyone wanting a X800 XT PE is usually looking at the Sapphire but it only has a 1 year warranty. I think that's unacceptable, in my experience cards tend to crap out just after the first year, if they are gonna crap out at all.
So the Sapphire is binned as a choice. You could go with a MSI or ASUS X800 PE with a 3 year warranty, but you pay about $50 more for those (duh...I wonder why?)
The ATI All-in-Wonder X800 XT is a phenomenal value for money card and comes with a 3 year warranty. It comes with a ton of features and software and a remote control. Plus the card will still retain a value when it's superceded by faster cards down the road, because you can still watch TV/radio and capture video and edit, it will always have value as a video editing card. It's only a fraction slower than the PE.
The BFG 6800 Ultra has a lifetime warranty, it's big, it's fast and draws a lot of power. It also supports all the new DirectX 9.0C features. No ATI cards at the moment do. No current games are designed with those feature and none seem to be coming out soon (that I know of). It also gets bitch-slapped in BFV by the XT PE..... but rules in Doom 3.
So think for the future and think warranty guys, these cards maybe fast but they are really pushing their limits.
BFG 6800 Ultra =$450 (ZipZoomFly) = Liftime Warranty
ATI All-in-Wonder X800 XT =$480 (ZipZoomFly) = 3 year Warranty
OR/ Sapphire X800 XT PE =$480 (ZipZoomFly) = 1 Year Warranty
Ok you'll probably find them a bit cheaper somewhere else, but Newegg or ZipZoom has fast delivery and a no-nonsense return policy.
My friend and I build gaming systems and within the last 2 years we have both gone thru 4 Ati cards, they all crapped out. Three 9700 pros; a Gigabyte, Powercolor and Saphhire. The last card to crap out was an MSI 9800XT. These were all our own personal cards for gaming.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not a die hard fan of either Nvidia or ATI, and I'm aware that cards do go bad, we where continually buying ATI so I can't compare.
My point its this, everyone wanting a X800 XT PE is usually looking at the Sapphire but it only has a 1 year warranty. I think that's unacceptable, in my experience cards tend to crap out just after the first year, if they are gonna crap out at all.
So the Sapphire is binned as a choice. You could go with a MSI or ASUS X800 PE with a 3 year warranty, but you pay about $50 more for those (duh...I wonder why?)
The ATI All-in-Wonder X800 XT is a phenomenal value for money card and comes with a 3 year warranty. It comes with a ton of features and software and a remote control. Plus the card will still retain a value when it's superceded by faster cards down the road, because you can still watch TV/radio and capture video and edit, it will always have value as a video editing card. It's only a fraction slower than the PE.
The BFG 6800 Ultra has a lifetime warranty, it's big, it's fast and draws a lot of power. It also supports all the new DirectX 9.0C features. No ATI cards at the moment do. No current games are designed with those feature and none seem to be coming out soon (that I know of). It also gets bitch-slapped in BFV by the XT PE..... but rules in Doom 3.
So think for the future and think warranty guys, these cards maybe fast but they are really pushing their limits.
^^ Get the AIW X800XT, then OC it to XT-PE speeds. Fantastic value...
to bad there are few aftermarket coolers, that support the AIW...
However, if the AIW is just a little extra for you, and you wouldn't mind losing it, get the XT-PE. Youll have the second fastest single GPU card on the market,
to bad there are few aftermarket coolers, that support the AIW...
However, if the AIW is just a little extra for you, and you wouldn't mind losing it, get the XT-PE. Youll have the second fastest single GPU card on the market,
LyCoS said:
If by Santa Claus, you mean unending generousity in good parents, then why not?
LyCoS said:
Oh, how I would love to, but I have only just come into enough money to get a house and my 401(k) is limited to company stocks, so no go there.
LyCoS said:
<sarcasm>I love how the immature will throw insults at a point rather than disprove it.</sarcasm>
Translation: Prove it, little boy.
LyCoS said:
Actually, looking at the stock speeds of the 6600GT and the 6800 (like I said originally, not the 6800GT):
http://hi-techreviews.com/nuke/6600GT/6600GT_page1.htm
And in case the site disappears:
http://hi-techreviews.com/nuke/6600GT/6600GT_page1.htm said:
The 6600 GT is 1.54 times faster than the 6800 in clock speed.
The 6800 has 1.50 times as many pipelines as the 6600GT.
The 6600 GT is 1.43 times faster than the 6800 in memory speed.
The 6800 has 2 times the memory bus width as the 6600GT.
Currently, at newegg.com, the cheapest 6800 costs 1.61 times the cost of the cheapest 6600GT.
Thus, you are paying nearly $110 extra for 1.4 times the memory bandwidth with no other improvements.
So, in all honesty, to get the same performance from a 6600GT as a stock 6800 I would need it to be clocked at 487.5/1400.LyCoS said:
At least one benchmark shows the 6600GT is only slightly slower than the 6800.
There's also Tom's Hardware
$110 extra is not worth it IMHO.
Optimus said:
I see much more X800XT-PEs (and non -pes) then I see Ultras or Even GTs in PCI-E.
Infact, A store near ,e has 3 diffrent brand of XT-PE (BBA, Sapphire and Powercolor) but only 1 brand of non -pe
Also, another store has both the X800XT-PE, the X850XT-PE, and the X850XT (not pe) and the X850XT-PE is cheaper then the X80XT-PE, the X80XT is as much as the 6800GT PCI-E(which they only have 1 brand) and also has more in stock (4, as apposed to 1)
so ya, I think the issue of the lack of cards is over.