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I'm waiting for that Level505 website to post something like how they posted how 2900XTX would crush 8800GTX.
I'm waiting for that Level505 website to post something like how they posted how 2900XTX would crush 8800GTX.
I remember some guy named Gibbo, which was labeled as "hardly ever wrong" also saying that he tested the HD 2900 XT and claimed that it was not only faster than the 8800 GTX, but also consumed less power, produced less heat and its cooler was silent, compared to the one of the GTX.
That is not how the world works, fan-girl
it is not that nvidia does not bother, but it has nothing to offer, that is why its stock price drop more than 50% in 11 months. That is more than 10 BILLIONs in market value. You fan-girls can cry and dream for a new product for ever, but the investors view the world differently.
Which is exactly why I said what I said on an earlier page. Everything is speculation at this point, even most canned benches
Which everyone NOT a fanboy knows. And I wouldn't say "most canned benches". I would say "all benches". Until the NDA is lifted and reviews are posted, everything is just a rumor.
Which is exactly why I said what I said on an earlier page. Everything is speculation at this point, even most canned benches
If they had nothing to offer, the GT200 wouldn't be in development. There was just a decrease in demand due to stagnation in the market. It's much more important for them to claim another win against ATI by dropping a new arch when ATI does the same thing... Maybe fiscally, maybe not, but this plan is most definitely egotistically rewarding.
Also, don't break the rules here by flaming and insulting others.
greanted yes nvidia can drop a bomb that can kill everything...
but what if they screw up? has anyone thought about that? what if Nvidia pulls an R600 on us? what will we say then?
my god people just because nvidia is good now doesn't mean they'll be good forever. again, it doesn't mean they won't be either, but i'm jsut saying.
I point you to the Analyst Day and Jen-Hsun Huang's remarks. He wasn't just attacking Intel, for the sake of defending their "GPU territory". He was extremely confident and it seems to me that by then, they had already tested their GT200 prototypes and it must be extremely powerful, or they wouldn't be saying what they did. That said, I won't be surprised to see a GT200 powered card, be more than twice as fast as a 8800 GTX.
greanted yes nvidia can drop a bomb that can kill everything...
but what if they screw up? has anyone thought about that? what if Nvidia pulls an R600 on us? what will we say then?
my god people just because nvidia is good now doesn't mean they'll be good forever. again, it doesn't mean they won't be either, but i'm jsut saying.
my god people just because nvidia is good now doesn't mean they'll be good forever. again, it doesn't mean they won't be either, but i'm jsut saying.
we're talking about the same people that forced the makers of assasin's creed to take directX 10.1 out of it cause nvidia cards cant render it... thus ATi cards do better, and the @$$ holes over there can't handle that.
LOL, right... Conspiracy theorists unite!!!
LOL, right... Conspiracy theorists unite!!!
My Radeon 9800 Pro kicked ass for years. I'm not partial to any manufacturer, whoever makes the best bang for the buck product is what im going with.
I point you to the Analyst Day and Jen-Hsun Huang's remarks. He wasn't just attacking Intel, for the sake of defending their "GPU territory". He was extremely confident and it seems to me that by then, they had already tested their GT200 prototypes and it must be extremely powerful, or they wouldn't be saying what they did. That said, I won't be surprised to see a GT200 powered card, be more than twice as fast as a 8800 GTX.
That doesnt make any sense.
Larabee is still 1-2 years away from being laucnhed as a viable contender.
GT200 is meant to compete with whatever AMD is launching right around the corner on the other hand.
GT200 is not some sort of wild card that NV can use as leverage against Intel.
GT200 is meant as an immediate response to AMD.
The subsequent chip (which is undoubtedly already in R&D) is what will be used to compete against Intel and whatever AMD will have up their sleeves post R700.
Oh, and in case some may have already forgotten Nvidia's past inadequacies...the FX 5000 series cards anyone?
You need to better read the context, instead of replying immediately...
Obviously GT200 first incarnations are meant to compete with whatever AMD/ATI releases, but the point was NVIDIA, represented by its CEO, was very confident in both present and future (which may include Larrabee) and I don't think that's just because they feel threatened by it, but also because I'm guessing they had already tested GT200 prototypes and are ready for anything from any competitor. I don't think they would be as confident as they were during Analyst Day, without being almost sure, that what they have now, will dominate competition, wherever it may come.
Because everybody can read minds, AND predict the future!
That doesnt make any sense.
Larabee is still 1-2 years away from being laucnhed as a viable contender.
GT200 is meant to compete with whatever AMD is launching right around the corner on the other hand.
GT200 is not some sort of wild card that NV can use as leverage against Intel.
GT200 is meant as an immediate response to AMD.
The subsequent chip (which is undoubtedly already in R&D) is what will be used to compete against Intel and whatever AMD will have up their sleeves post R700.
Oh, and in case some may have already forgotten Nvidia's past inadequacies...the FX 5000 series cards anyone?
yes i was going to ask, what did that post have to do with anything?! intel and ATI are 2 totally different companies.
now back to the 5000 series...
yeah i had an FX5200. slowest card ever. it could barely run sims 2. i remember when my Nvidia PCX 5750 (basically an Nvidia 5700 made for PCI Express, one of the first cards out) blew out, started artifacting, then windows wouldn't load again. for the lords sake, the card was so terrible. the only game that it could run without stuttering was freelancer, and that was the game that it actually died on... mad wierd.
i think at the time Tiger Direct was asking like $150 for an FX5200 Ultra or maybe an FX5500 or something, and I almost bought one, then decided to go for an X850 pro, which actually still works to this day, despite being 4 years old-ishhh.
thank GOD that i did, because that woulda been horrible.
You need to better read the context, instead of replying immediately...
Obviously GT200 first incarnations are meant to compete with whatever AMD/ATI releases, but the point was NVIDIA, represented by its CEO, was very confident in both present and future (which may include Larrabee) and I don't think that's just because they feel threatened by it, but also because I'm guessing they had already tested GT200 prototypes and are ready for anything from any competitor. I don't think they would be as confident as they were during Analyst Day, without being almost sure, that what they have now, will dominate competition, wherever it may come.
Exactly. The GT200 is simply what nVidia is readying for release now. Common sense should tell you that nVidia as well as AMD/ATi are already preparing future technologies that are significantly faster than what we have now and what is just around the corner. They have to be 1-2 generations ahead to stay competitive. It's not like they release a new GPU and say "Okay now we can start working on the next GPU," they are constantly researching new technologies and probably have new stuff ready to tape out at any given time.I still firmly believe that you are in error.
These companies do NOT work on singular technologies at any given time.
You can bet that Nvidia currently have anywhere from 2-3 generations of hardware that they are at the very least researching if not already trying to develop prototypes of.
*Note: I did not say revisions or iterations, but rather entirely new generations of hardware.
In fact, virtually every single major player out there, be it AMD, IBM, Intel, Nvidia, Samsung, TI, Motorola, etc. have multiple development teams that are researching technologies that are not meant for immediate release, but rather years down the line.
You can rest assured that Nvidia have such project teams as well.
I still firmly believe that you are in error.
These companies do NOT work on singular technologies at any given time.
You can bet that Nvidia currently have anywhere from 2-3 generations of hardware that they are at the very least researching if not already trying to develop prototypes of.
*Note: I did not say revisions or iterations, but rather entirely new generations of hardware.
In fact, virtually every single major player out there, be it AMD, IBM, Intel, Nvidia, Samsung, TI, Motorola, etc. have multiple development teams that are researching technologies that are not meant for immediate release, but rather years down the line.
You can rest assured that Nvidia have such project teams as well.
And what does that have to do with what I said ?!...
I said that NVIDIA seemed way too confident in Analyst Day, which tells me that they already tested GT200 prototypes and were quite pleased with the results. That lead them to say quite bold things in that conference, regarding current and future competitors, which I guess they wouldn't, if GT200 wasn't so good.
What is so hard for you to understand in this simple guess of mine and why is it that you think it's wrong ?
It seems to me you still didn't understand what I said...
You're the one who apparently fails to understand what I and others who have echoed my sentiments are trying to convey to you.
The GT200 is almost assuredly not the source of NV's certitude with respect to Intel.
Intel's Larabee is still so far out (relatively speaking with the presumed release of GT200 being around the corner) that by then, NV will almost certainly have an entirely new generation of chips ready for development which are meant as Larabee's competition.
NV as I noted, like most tech companies, have multiple project teams that are focusing on multiple products. I would bet the farm that the GT200 project team is not the source of their confidence, but rather some other design that they are working on.
Common sense would dictate that, unless the GT200 is a design that is so unparalleled and advanced that it will help to propel them well into the next decade and tackle Larabee when it too eventually comes out.
I think that supposition however is a bit outlandish, don't you?
No, I don't, otherwise I wouldn't have said it.
NVIDIA's confidence in Analyst Day was most definitely related to what they have now, and as I've said many other times in this thread, even if you didn't understand it, NVIDIA's attacks and bold statements, were not just directed at future competitors (Intel), but also current ones (AMD/ATI). And that has everything to do with GT200. I wouldn't be surprised if GT200 chips are equipped with some provisions that basically makes it not depend on a good CPU so much. Curiously, this is also something that Scott Watson from Tech-Report said, in one of their podcasts and I agree. It's just a guess, but it's something that makes sense, given how the market is headed.
I never argued with a company's schedule, that obviously contains lots of efforts in terms of R&D. Efforts that will only be seen in a couple of years or more. But GT200 will power NVIDIA's graphics cards for about 1-2 years and if the provisions I'm guessing exist in GT200 are true, then that technology will be used further down the line. Much like like G80's tech was used for GT200 development and that is certainly a weapon for NVIDIA, for the present and future.
You seem to be fixed on the idea that NVIDIA's stance in the Analyst Day was only targeted at Intel, but it wasn't. Most of their bold statements were in fact directed at Intel, but not exclusively. Maybe you should read or listen to that conference, since you surely didn't this far.
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7273&Itemid=1We know that some VIP customers have seen and tried GT200. We also know that the card is fast and it is definitely faster than Geforce 9800GTX but we are not sure if it can beat Geforce 9800 GX2.
Taken from NV's 10K report.Sustain Technology and Product Leadership in 3D Graphics and HD Video, and Media Communications and Ultra-Low Power.
We are focused on using our advanced engineering capabilities to accelerate the quality and performance of 3D graphics, HD video, media communications and ultra-low power processing in PCs and handheld devices. A fundamental aspect of our strategy is to actively recruit the best 3D graphics and HD video, networking and communications engineers in the industry, and we believe that we have assembled an exceptionally experienced and talented engineering team. Our research and development strategy is to focus on concurrently developing multiple generations of GPUs, including GPUs for high-performance computing, MCPs and mobile and consumer products that support PMPs, PDAs, cellular phones and other handheld devices using independent design teams. As we have in the past, we intend to use this strategy to achieve new levels of graphics, networking and communications features and performance and ultra-low power designs, enabling our customers to achieve superior performance in their products.
The question is, who is going to be the largest provider of that differentiation and what form will it take? The pressure on Nvidia--expressed by Huang on Thursday at an analyst meeting--is understandable, as the company seeks to fend off both Intel and AMD, who are increasingly focused on graphics, said McGregor. "Nvidia faces serious challenges. One of their big customers (AMD) went out and acquired a competitor (ATI) and then (you have) Intel saying we're going into your territory." That has put Nvidia on edge. Intel, not surprisingly, is the biggest threat.
If you think Intel's Larrabee is any threat to NVIDIA, in the high-end. you need to think again. I even have doubts it will compete with NVIDIA's or AMD's mid-range, at the time it's out.
Also, are you seriously basing your comments on the 9900 GTX, on a fudzilla report ?
Rumored specs are out (some of them provided by fudzilla itself) and they clearly put the GT200 based card i.e. 9900 GTX at a level beyond the 9800 GX2. Obviously these are just rumored specs and as we've learned, specs don't always mean much, but that's the only thing we have to speculate about. That and what NVIDIA's CEO said in the Analyst Day and they wouldn't be so confident, if they didn't have something powerful in their hands.
Also, NVIDIA's CEO recently confirmed that it has no plans to buy VIA. I think that's further indication, that, for the next 1-2 years, NVIDIA has something else up its sleeve, in the form of GT200 and its derivatives.
Assuming that the GT200 is that product which can render CPU's obsolete and knock out Intel's Larrabee before it even comes out is downright foolish and impetuous.
I don't know if you're doing it on purpose, but you sure seem like it. NEVER have I said that GT200 will render CPUs obsolete, but I did make a guess, based on NVIDIA's comments during Analyst Day, that it wouldn't surprise me to see GT200 having some provisions, that make it depend less on a good CPU.
And again, if you think Larrabee is going to compete with AMD and especially NVIDIA, in the high-end GPUs, think again. Intel is targeted at the mid-low range, where the big bucks are and Intel knows it can't fight with years of experience of both ATI and NVIDIA, in the GPU arena. Thinking otherwise, is indeed foolish and impetuous.
These were 2 specific attacks against Intel once again.
So where do you get off asserting otherwise, that they were not targetting Intel, as you stated in your previous post?
Silus said:You seem to be fixed on the idea that NVIDIA's stance in the Analyst Day was only targeted at Intel, but it wasn't. Most of their bold statements were in fact directed at Intel, but not exclusively. Maybe you should read or listen to that conference, since you surely didn't this far.
Hamidxa said:Secondly, you go on to assume that NV's new found confidence stems from a GT200 which thus far is speculated to run even slower than a 9800 GX2 -- which is nothing to be ashamed of, but is far from something to be so proud of that you can declare CPU's dead and Larrabee as unworthy.
Hamidxa said:Give me a break.
Im through with this silly argument.