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badjoke said:is the difference between an AMD athon 64 3400+ and a 3500+ worth the difference in money
Jasonx82 said:S754 is not crap =P It just doesnt have a long life left. (as far as upgradablilty goes)
djm1968 said:Hey Jason,
True, the 754 socket will not last as long as 939...but then neither will AGP...and if you go 939 right now you are getting an AGP board. Personally, I have found it rare that I would upgrade processor alone...often you need new RAM, and a new MB and then video cards are all going PCIe . So, I think the lack of future upgradability argument is slightly dubious...just my $0.02
Cheers,
DJM
djm1968 said:Hey Jason,
True, the 754 socket will not last as long as 939...but then neither will AGP...and if you go 939 right now you are getting an AGP board. Personally, I have found it rare that I would upgrade processor alone...often you need new RAM, and a new MB and then video cards are all going PCIe . So, I think the lack of future upgradability argument is slightly dubious...just my $0.02
Cheers,
DJM
Jasonx82 said:Asus Sli Deluxe is available! right now so bah! and that board has PCIE and is Socket939
it is. i contacted amd about it a while back and they stated it was a cpu meant for system retailers. don't ask what newegg is doing selling them thoughDallows said:that newegg thing cannot be right, now way is there a 3400 939pin newcastle chip, nor would it be running at the same speed as the 3500.
BillR said:AGP didnt kill the need for PCI Video cards even though they are appreciably better.
Way to misinform people. Double the performance? You wish.jeffoz said:Yes.
3400+'s are on socket 754 which is crap becase it doesn't support dual channel ram. 3500+'s are on Socket 939, which supports Dual Channel Ram just fine.
That's why 3400's are so much cheaper than 3500's even though the speed difference is only like 2%. Ram running in Dual Channel mode is a HUGE performance boost, almost by double.
Now if you say a Socket 939 3400+ it would be different, but I'm pretty sure they dont make 3400 on socket 939's.
Dallows said:well, he's not totally wrong iddqd, but 754 do suck unless you're just an average joe internet, email, word, upgrade every 4-5 years.
Dallows said:It does matter that 754's have limited life because not everyone upgrades every year, not everyone has the ability to upgrade to the latest and greatest. Most like to be able to buy something worth value that'll last them a long time without having to worry about upgrading. For most the 939's have better value in that because there is more being done on a 939 socket than a 754, and cpus are easier to upgrade than a whole mobo, vid card, memory and whatever else. It's easier to just go from a 3200 939 to a 4000 939 in a year or two when the prices drop. The 4000 (or whatever else they bring out) won't be that far off from the newest technology but it won't be the greatest. They can still get great performance at a good price point while not having to worry about 10 other components to upgrade as well. AMD just pushed out the 754 to get 64-bit out into the market and show they were going to top Intel, which they have done, and will continue to do.
much longer than that. call it like 3-4 months, if not longer.Zoio said:....Athlon 64 3400+ S939 been out for a couple of weeks now buddy...yes newegg doesnt false advertise like that...u think they would ship u something labeled 939 then when its shipped at your house its a 754 lol
My ClawHammer owns your silly 3800+. 'Nuff said.Dallows said:well, he's not totally wrong iddqd, but 754 do suck unless you're just an average joe internet, email, word, upgrade every 4-5 years.
Ok, then, an oced 3700+ owns an oced 3800+'s pants. Now, go RTFM.Dallows said:no, sorry, and don't try to compare an oc'd cpu to a stock one.
care to prove me wrong? or just disagree without any support to your thoughts?Dallows said:no way, that's too long
not really, it's more that to have equivilent performance, the newcastle needs to have 5-10% faster clock speed.iddqd said:Ok, then, an oced 3700+ owns an oced 3800+'s pants. Now, go RTFM.
3800+ aren't great Ocers; while 3700+ are... they can attain pretty much the same clocks; at which point it would obviously be better to have a ClawHammer, b/c of more Cache. The game turns around when we bring SOI ClawHammers, such as 4000+, or fx55 into the ring... unfortunately, there aren't any SOI products available for s754 quite yet. Can you say "3900+"? .(cf)Eclipse said:care to prove me wrong? or just disagree without any support to your thoughts?
not really, it's more that to have equivilent performance, the newcastle needs to have 5-10% faster clock speed.
and what's the manual we're reading?
I'm wondering what 3000+ that is... it's running at the same clock as the 3700+, and a bit faster to boot... so, it's either an NC (which suck), or a crippled CH (which, also suck).Dallows said:well, eclipse, it just doesn't feel like it's been that long, haha. Anyway, I could be wrong but I found some crap benchs that show an oc'ed 3000+ against a stock 3500 and 3700.
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjI5LDI=
Now, it barely, and I mean barely beats the 3500 there, but not the 3700, so how do you expect it to beat a 3800 stock? I'm looking for more to back this as we speak.