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32" 4k OLED 240hz monitors

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I haven't kept up on display tech recently but 32" 4k OLED 240hz seems like a sweet spot. Full Gsync support seems to be missing though. Did I miss any worth putting on the shopping list? The two most appealing options to me are hard to find.

1. MSI MPG 321URX 32" OLED (no Gsync) $950 but no where
2. Asus ROG Swift PG32UCDM (Gsync compatible) $1300 but resellers.

LG UltraGear 32" OLED 32GS95UE-B (Gsync compatible, WOLED w/ mat screen and not shiny QD-OLED like most others)

Samsung 32" Odyssey G8 OLED LS32DG802SNXZA (Gsync compatible)

MSI MAG 321UPX QD-OLED 32" 9S6-3DD39T-002 (No Gsync. no firmware ever, maybe. )

Alienware 32 4K QD-OLED Gaming Monitor - AW3225QF $999 as of 7/11/24 (Gsync compatible, can't disable DSC, 1700R curve)

Think I'm going to make a jump from my 27" Acer Predator 1440 144hz to a 4k OLED. Single player games with the highest visual quality and office work is what I'll feed it.
 
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I've been seeing the ability to order the PG32UCDM improve drastically over the past few weeks. I have my backorder in and I'm just waiting on Amazon to receive & ship it. I've heard it's popping up on Best Buy to ship as they receive them.

If by "full Gsync" you're talking about the module, as I understand its purpose is to overcome a deficiency in LCDs; it serves no value to an OLED panel.
 
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GoldenTiger said:
Nice monitor, but it's curved unlike the other ones FYI :). If you knew that already, enjoy!
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There's really no issue with the curve, it's a mere 1700R unlike some from LG etc which are much tighter and obvious, This quickly feels flat when sat in front of it.

I have the QF, as well as the AW3423DW:
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The QF is now my fav monitor, 240Hz vs 175 is 100% noticeable even on desktop with a 1000Hz mouse. The cursor moves much slicker.

Looks great too:
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The speed and quality of Dell's CS means I will probably never consider another brand OLED monitor. It's just too good and I've made use of it a lot with the DW since launch.
 
robbiekhan said:
There's really no issue with the curve, it's a mere 1700R unlike some from LG etc which are much tighter and obvious, This quickly feels flat when sat in front of it.

I have the QF, as well as the AW3423DW:
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The QF is now my fav monitor, 240Hz vs 175 is 100% noticeable even on desktop with a 1000Hz mouse. The cursor moves much slicker.

Looks great too:
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The speed and quality of Dell's CS means I will probably never consider another brand OLED monitor. It's just too good and I've made use of it a lot with the DW since launch.
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If there really isn't much difference then why did they even bother to make it curved in the first place?
 
robbiekhan said:
because it looks cool and marketing sells
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Eh I don't think so. Some people are avoiding this monitor specifically because of the curve. Not that being flat would help boost it's sales or anything, I just think it makes no difference so again I don't see the point in having a curve in the first place.
 
MistaSparkul said:
Eh I don't think so. Some people are avoiding this monitor specifically because of the curve. Not that being flat would help boost it's sales or anything, I just think it makes no difference so again I don't see the point in having a curve in the first place.
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Have they actually seen one in person though? I'm going to bet not. I have one, and it's really not a noticeable curve or a curve that warrants any further discussion other than "it's subtle, it becomes invisible within a day of use".

It really is not an issue and I think from what I am reading that it's just a fear people have without actually having seen one in person. 1700R is nothing on a 32" as my picture above demonstrates. It's subtle.
 
robbiekhan said:
Have they actually seen one in person though? I'm going to bet not. I have one, and it's really not a noticeable curve or a curve that warrants any further discussion other than "it's subtle, it becomes invisible within a day of use".

It really is not an issue and I think from what I am reading that it's just a fear people have without actually having seen one in person. 1700R is nothing on a 32" as my picture above demonstrates. It's subtle.
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I don't think it's an issue at all, I just find it pointless if it's going to be so subtle. Might as well not even be there in the first place. But anyways that's just my opinion.
 
Dell/Alienware don't do flat though, a subtle curve has been the Alienware way from day 1 of QD-OLED.
 
There is that too yeah, a flat panel will get more reflections at more angles whereas the diffraction/contortion effect of a curved panel optically minimises the same volume of reflections.

Just been watching house of the dragon on the QF and man, it's rather splendid:

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In HDR of course, I actually find the HDR experience greater at my desk than on my living room's 65" LG OLED, probably because at workstation distance things just are crisper on such a pixel dense size, whereas it's not quite the same sat far back in a living room. My PC audio setup beats the TV as well so that defo helps.
 
The monitor is amazing. Been playing Everspace 2 for 118 hours on my 1440 144hz IPS screen. I never saw the mouse cursor aim lines before. The picture is next level good, like I almost got choked up a bit awe inspiringly good. My first OLED, HDR, curve, and never gamed on a 4k before. The curve is subtle and a non-issue for me. OLED brightness seems to be an issue for some but this thing is plenty bright, 85 out of 100 SDR content brightness in Windows. My home office is light optimized and did the HDR calibration.

My 3080 ti is working very hard now.

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OLED as great as they are do not play well with VRR as there is quite irritating flickering when refresh rate fluctuates.
The best solution to that issue is stabilizing framerate by using frame rate limiters - for example if game runs between 90 and 120 fps you could set framerate limit to 90fps or even something like 85fps to really not experience any flickering or only do when there is obvious frame time spike.
Obviously this is far from perfect but still better than no VRR at all. In fact even if you would limit framerate to 85fps you still get much better input lag than using 85Hz mode with V-Sync and arguably occasional flickering (which is mostly visible on darker shades) is still less irritating than occasional stuttering. In this case e.g. 240Hz without VRR is also a solution but even at 240Hz you will get visible stuttering - just not as visible at 240Hz. Input lag will be higher without VRR unless you also disable V-Sync. If you do then you get tearing (and stuttering!) - which again isn't as visible at 240Hz as it would be at lower refresh rate but still visible. VRR is still the best way to play games on OLED even if unlike LCD it has some limitations.

As for GSync there is no GSync OLED and I wished there was because should Nvidia tackle the issue I am pretty sure they would focus all attention to fixing VRR flickering. I mean it would only made any sense for Nvidia to make GSync module for OLED if they did fix that flickering issue.
 
XoR_ said:
As for GSync there is no GSync OLED and I wished there was because should Nvidia tackle the issue I am pretty sure they would focus all attention to fixing VRR flickering. I mean it would only made any sense for Nvidia to make GSync module for OLED if they did fix that flickering issue.
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?? There literally is Gsync for OLED, it's Gsync Ultimate on the AW3423DW.
 
Guys, if you weren't aware, Gsync as you knew it in 2016 isn't what it was today. Essentially everything supports it and supports it well, it certainly doesn't need the old school GSync module. Things have improved greatly since those dark times.

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As for GSync there is no GSync OLED
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I'm not aware of any OLED display today that doesn't support GSync. I'm not sure what you're on about.

Heck, I'm running GSync on my damn OLED TV (as a monitor). LG C2. Official Nvidia GSync branding right in the UI, and it certainly works. Either VRR flicker isn't anywhere near as bad as people make it out to be or i'm not getting any of it.

I've been gaming with GSync compatible displays since 2016, i'm quite familiar with the tech, I don't think I've ever had it off.

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These two videos were a fantastic recap on the state of VRR in 2024 and how its changed in the last 8 years or so. If you're still working off of what you thought you knew in 2016-2017, might be time for a recap.

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biSY6WeCDus
 
KyHauck196 said:
Seeing the swing from 240 to 100 will trigger the flicker pretty substantially.
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If that's happening in games, you've gotta re-evaluate your system, not the display. That's a massive swing.

KyHauck196 said:
I have yet to see a gsync supported display that impresses me as much as a gsync ultimate.
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Fair enough, I simply no longer see the point. 2017? Yeah, huge benefit. Now? Needless cost, IMO.
 
VRR flicker exists on OLED full stop, has nothing to do with being a FreeSYnc/GSYNC etc, it exists on any VRR OLED. Anyone saying it doesn't exist on GSYNC Ultimate or anything like that simply has no proper technical experience of the technology.

I have a 4090 and all games are over 100fps at 4K and the VRR flicker is either non existent or is minimal just like on the AD3423DW which is GSYNC Ultimate, only on grey shades of certain types on those games, regardless of framerate. I've seen it very faintly on some menu screens in games at 232fps.

RTINGS also now check for VRR flicker on all OLED reviews and they document this as well.
 
AW3423DW... that monitor seems incompatible enough that many users don't use VRR with it at all.
Does it have Nvidia module or just certification anyways?

IMHO monitors/TVs which cannot even do variable refresh rate correctly (as in e.g. they flicker with VRR enabled...) should not get G-Sync Compatible certification and user should confirm they understand the risk of enabling G-Sync support at all - maybe even "seizure warnings" should be displayed and other health related information.

I bet sooner or later someone realizes they can sue companies making these displays for damage caused by flickering. I mean... if I lived in U.S. I would most definitely consider the notion and already be in contact with my lawyers. Of course for safety reason before any damage to my health actually happened... 🤣
 
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AW3423DW... that monitor seems incompatible enough that many users don't use VRR with it at all.
Does it have Nvidia module or just certification anyways?

IMHO monitors/TVs which cannot even do variable refresh rate correctly (as in e.g. they flicker with VRR enabled...) should not get G-Sync Compatible certification and user should confirm they understand the risk of enabling G-Sync support at all - maybe even "seizure warnings" should be displayed and other health related information.

I bet sooner or later someone realizes they can sue companies making these displays for damage caused by flickering. I mean... if I lived in U.S. I would most definitely consider the notion and already be in contact with my lawyers. Of course for safety reason before any damage to my health actually happened... 🤣
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The AW3423DW has the physical module yet it still flickers like hell. Probably why everyone else didn't bother with a module because it can't fix the problem lol.
 
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The module is needed to get below the usual VRR 40Hz limit as the module allows VRR from 1Hz upwards. There's a reason the module existed for so long, but modern times barely anyone with a reasonable GPU will be gaming sub 60fps so it largely doesn't matter hence why none of the modern flagship OLED panels come with Ultimate, only FreeSync/Gsync cross compatibility for VRR, though the other benefits of GSYNC ultimate is that extended testing is done for all GU panels to certify they meet the standard.

Nobody is getting sued, nobody has reason to complain, all OLEDs using VRR currently flicker, it's an evolving monitor tech, the plus points of VRR outweigh some flickering in some situations in some games.

Overreaction much....
 
My AW2725DF is more flickery than my LG C2, but the only instance where the issue is noticeable is when playing Fallout: New Vegas with unlocked frame rates. The C2 looks better and it's certified by NVIDIA, so maybe it has something do with that.

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The AW3423DW has the physical module yet it still flickers like hell. Probably why everyone else didn't bother with a module because it can't fix the problem lol.
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That is not quite true, the AW3423DW scored higher in "VRR Flicker" than every other OLED and VA.
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/dell/alienware-aw3423dw
 
tongshadow said:
My AW2725DF is more flickery than my LG C2, but the only instance where the issue is noticeable is when playing Fallout: New Vegas with unlocked frame rates. The C2 looks better and it's certified by NVIDIA, so maybe it has something do with that.


That is not quite true, the AW3423DW scored higher in "VRR Flicker" than every other OLED and VA.
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/dell/alienware-aw3423dw
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Scores higher but it isn't completely free from it. But as long as you have some understanding of why VRR flicker occurs, you can avoid it for the most part even though OLEDs are more prone to it. I've been gaming on OLED for years already and I'm not bothered by VRR flicker because I can avoid most of it during gameplay. VRR flicker is almost completely unavoidable during loading screens but honestly I don't care about VRR flickering during loading screens.
 
XoR_ said:
AW3423DW... that monitor seems incompatible enough that many users don't use VRR with it at all.
Does it have Nvidia module or just certification anyways?

IMHO monitors/TVs which cannot even do variable refresh rate correctly (as in e.g. they flicker with VRR enabled...) should not get G-Sync Compatible certification and user should confirm they understand the risk of enabling G-Sync support at all - maybe even "seizure warnings" should be displayed and other health related information.

I bet sooner or later someone realizes they can sue companies making these displays for damage caused by flickering. I mean... if I lived in U.S. I would most definitely consider the notion and already be in contact with my lawyers. Of course for safety reason before any damage to my health actually happened... 🤣
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Guess you missed this a few years ago:

https://www.thefpsreview.com/2020/1...ng-for-samsung-g7-monitors-g-sync-flickering/

Samsung ended up settling the case by adding the "VRR Control" feature to their monitors (OLED and VA) which "solved" VRR flicker but essentially lost the whole point of VRR since the monitors run at fixed refresh rate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ultrawidem...ungs_consumer_deception_truth_of_vrr_control/
 
I'm loving my new MSI MPG 321URX, best IQ I've ever seen, minimal if any 'flicker' and nice HDR without burning out your retinas. I had reservations initally due to lack of gsync module, but the monitor works fine with gsync enabled and there's no judder when rapidly moving your field of view.
 
I would like to mention on curved monitors; your eye focuses on an object for a given distance which makes the other distances out of focus, the curve of a monitor can help keep the distance to the eye more consistent meaning when your eye to the monitor is in focus you will be able to see more of the image in focus, larger area in other words should be sharper on a curved monitor. If one notices this or not is another thing, for me on my 42" flat screen OLED, I have to move my eye more to keep the whole image or more of it in focus whereas on my curved monitors I would have to do that less. For gaming, particularly fast paced games I definitely prefer a curved panel, for other stuff besides gaming, a flat panel works better like in drawing, 3d modeling etc. So this Dell curved aspect I may consider on my next purchase.
 
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