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cjvdh

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Ok so ive been a frequent visitor of this awesome site and never really got to introduce myself so far so I will start with that, Hello everyone! Anyways know thats out of the way I am going to be starting a new build projekt the 2nd one ive done before and I just want to make sure I have everything right and everything will be compatible with what im trying to do. This is what I have so far.

LITE-ON Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 20X DVD±R DVD Burner - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106263

LIAN LI PC-60BPLUSII W Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112116

Western Digital Caviar SE WD1600AAJS 160GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136075

BFG Tech BFGE96384GSOOCE GeForce 9600 GSO 384MB 192-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143135

CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX12V V2.2 Power Supply 90 - 264 V UL, CUL, CE, CB, FCC Class B, TUV, CCC, C-tick - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139004

CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184

DFI LANPARTY DK P35-T2RS LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136043

Intel Core 2 Duo E4600 Allendale 2.4GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115032

Lemme know if you guys think everything is okay. Once again thanks everyone!
 
I would go for a cheaper motherboard like a Gigabyte P35 board, there isn't much to be gained with the DFI other than overclocking complexity.

That's not much hard drive for $45 when you can have a 500GB drive for $90, or a Western Digital 640GB (fastest non-10k RPM drive around) for $99 on sale. I would at least try to go for something with 16MB cache.

The 9600GSO won't push a lot of pixels, but this depends on which games you play and the resolution of your monitor. You might be able to find a new HD4850 for $150 after rebate, a much better card.

I won't comment on spending $160 for a metal box, since that's up to personal taste more than anything else. I will say that you can get nice cases for under $50 that would serve you well.
 
I'd spend an extra $10 on an E7200.

Get the SAMSUNG SH-S203B instead of that Lite-ON. It's cheaper if you consider shipping and it should be quieter and more reliable.
 
You can get a nicer HDD here

But make sure to get it soon, As for the last few days, The price has been fluctuating from 99.00 to 109.99 and now its 94.99
 
i agree with previous posters. you dont need to get a $150 case and a $45 hard drive, there are plenty of coolermaster/antec cases that are great quality for cheaper such as the antec 900 and im not sure what you'll be doing with this computer but 160gb is a rather small number. a gigabyte ep35 ds3l will do you fine for cheaper and go with the e7200 processor. also if you're gaming what is your monitor size?
 
Couple of suggestions

Samsung SH-S203B - Cheaper and better than that Lite-On
EVGA 8800GS - Same thing as 9600GSO but $7 cheaper thanks to free shipping. Plus there's a $30 MIR and you get EVGA customer service to boot.
Cosair TX750W - For just $10 more after shipping, you can get a much nicer PSU with lots of headroom for future upgrades.

Also agree on getting the E7200.
 
onedestinazn2 said:
i agree with previous posters. you dont need to get a $150 case and a $45 hard drive, there are plenty of coolermaster/antec cases that are great quality for cheaper such as the antec 900 and im not sure what you'll be doing with this computer but 160gb is a rather small number. a gigabyte ep35 ds3l will do you fine for cheaper and go with the e7200 processor. also if you're gaming what is your monitor size?
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Im using a 32inch Vizio LCD for a monitor.

I really like my Lian Li's im really picky when it comes to cases and I dont know if any of you on here have ever built a computer using a Lian Li but there just sooo nice and a pleasure to work with the removable mobo tray and removable HDD cage. So yeah im not changing my mind on cases.
 
Can anyone find a good open box intel CPU for under 130.00 ???

Also I need a CPU heatsink.
 
cjvdh said:
Why do you need the retention bracket ?
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You dont actually need it, But it sure makes installation ALOT easier. Intels pushpin system isnt that good. The retention bracket is highly recommended.

The reason the retention bracket is highly recommended is that the cooler is somewhat on the heavy side and mounting the cooler with the bracker adds in stability.
 
Also I know the quad core is better than the core 2 duo but will I really notice a speed diffrence with the processor I have picked and the first one you listed ?
 
cjvdh said:
Also I know the quad core is better than the core 2 duo but will I really notice a speed diffrence with the processor I have picked and the first one you listed ?
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It depends on what you're planning on doing with your PC. If you multi-task a lot, do a ton of media (3D, video, music, etc) rendering and editing, then yes a quad-core CPU is the better choice. Otherwise a dual-core CPU is a good choice.

Oh I recommend getting this PSU since it's roughly the same quality as the Corsair but is considerably cheaper:
Antec Earthwatts 500W PSU - $50

Also, if you're gonna get a Lian-Li case, at least get a decent modern one that uses 120mm fans, not 80mm fans. I recommend these Lian-Li cases:
Lian Li PC-7B Plus II Silver ATX Case - $80
Lian Li Lancool PC-K7B ATX Case - $80

Use the leftover money and put it towards a faster video card like these:
eVGA GeForce 8800GT 512MB PCI-E Video Card - $160
VisionTek 900241 Radeon HD 4850 512MB PCI-E Video Card - $200
 
Danny Bui said:
It depends on what you're planning on doing with your PC. If you multi-task a lot, do a ton of media (3D, video, music, etc) rendering and editing, then yes a quad-core CPU is the better choice. Otherwise a dual-core CPU is a good choice.

Oh I recommend getting this PSU since it's roughly the same quality as the Corsair but is considerably cheaper:
Antec Earthwatts 500W PSU - $50

Also, if you're gonna get a Lian-Li case, at least get a decent modern one that uses 120mm fans, not 80mm fans. I recommend these Lian-Li cases:
Lian Li PC-7B Plus II Silver ATX Case - $80
Lian Li Lancool PC-K7B ATX Case - $80

Use the leftover money and put it towards a faster video card like these:
eVGA GeForce 8800GT 512MB PCI-E Video Card - $160
VisionTek 900241 Radeon HD 4850 512MB PCI-E Video Card - $200
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Yeah I dont really like any of those cases because none of them have a window ;( I like my windows LOL! and I really dont think I need that much of a graphics card that thing was huge!

I think im going Quad Core ;)
 
cjvdh said:
Yeah I dont really like any of those cases because none of them have a window ;( I like my windows LOL! and I really dont think I need that much of a graphics card that thing was huge!
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So you're willing to sacrifice cooling and a better graphics card for a "window"?
 
They all the sudden ran out of stock on the Open Box Quad Core's. So I think im just getting the full retail one unless they come back in stock.
 
Danny Bui said:
So you're willing to sacrifice cooling and a better graphics card for a "window"?
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I mean the last build I did I used a Lian Li PC65B case with a window. I dun kow I kinda just like being able to look inside of it. I plan on getting a good CPU heatsink fan so it wont really be a problem plus its like 65 in my APT, and I plan on getting a good case with good airflow.
 
Get a window-less case and have someone cut you out a window, If a window is that important.
 
cjvdh said:
I plan on getting a good CPU heatsink fan so it wont really be a problem plus its like 65 in my APT, and I plan on getting a good case with good airflow.
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Again, I recommend getting a different case. That Lian-Li PC-60BPLUSII still uses 80mm fans which don't cool or perform as well as 120mm fans. Thus IMO, that PC-60BPLUSII has bad cooling for the price since there are ton of cases out there that uses 120mm fans. A good heatsink nor low temperature will make up for bad cooling inside of a case.

And again, by going with the cheaper but better Lian-Li cases I recommended, you can afford a better graphics card. Oh and you can get the Q6600 for $180 here:
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 CPU - $180

EDIT: If you go with the silver PC-7A Plus II, you can get an acryllic window for it for $20:
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=281&products_id=3471
 
Danny Bui said:
Again, I recommend getting a different case. That Lian-Li PC-60BPLUSII still uses 80mm fans which don't cool or perform as well as 120mm fans. Thus IMO, that PC-60BPLUSII has bad cooling for the price since there are ton of cases out there that uses 120mm fans. A good heatsink nor low temperature will make up for bad cooling inside of a case.

And again, by going with the cheaper but better Lian-Li cases I recommended, you can afford a better graphics card. Oh and you can get the Q6600 for $180 here:
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 CPU - $180

EDIT: If you go with the silver PC-7A Plus II, you can get an acryllic window for it for $20:
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=281&products_id=3471
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Yeah your right man.

Good thinking.
 
K, so after all that, and before I make any comments... what's your build look like now?
 
LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model iHAS120-04 - OEM
Item #: N82E16827106263
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

$23.99


LIAN LI PC-7B plus II Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Item #: N82E16811112099
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$30.00 Instant
$119.99
$89.99


Western Digital Caviar RE WD2500YS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Item #: N82E16822136055
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy
$69.99


EVGA 384-P3-N851-AR GeForce 8800 GS 384MB 192-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
Item #: N82E16814130332
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy
-$10.00 Instant
$30.00 Mail-in Rebate
$119.99
$109.99


Rosewill Stallion Series RD450-2-SB ATX V2.2 450W Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16817182075
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

$48.99


CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X4096-6400C5 - Retail
Item #: N82E16820145184
Return Policy: Memory (Modules, USB) Return Policy

-$33.00 Instant
$20.00 Mail-in Rebate
$119.50
$86.50


DFI LANPARTY DK P35-T2RS LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813136043
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy

-$10.00 Instant
$139.99
$129.99


Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor Model BX80562Q6600 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115017
Return Policy: Processors (CPUs) Return Policy

Also I need a CPU fan because I dont plan on using the stock one any suggestions ?
 
Ditch the Rosewill PSU and go with the Antec Earthwatts PSU I linked to earlier. It's SIGNIFICANTLY better than the Rosewil PSU you chose. And get it soon. The sale on the EA500 for $50 is for a limited time only.

Also, are you willing to wait 2-3 months just to save $6? If not, I recommend this cheaper RAM:
G.SKILL F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ 2 x 2GB DDR2 800 RAM - $80

In addition, I recommend getting this cheaper, larger and potentially faster hard drive:
Western Digital WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - $60

I recommend these HSF:
Xigmatek HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle HSF - $37
ZEROtherm Nirvana NV120 120mm HSF - $50
Thermalright Ultima-90 HSF - $46 & Panaflo FBA09A12M 92mm Fan - $3
Noctua NH-U12P HSF - $60
 
The Lite-On is loud, just FYI.

That Lian-Li doesnt have a slide out mobo tray, btw.

That HDD has no error correction because it relies on the HDD controller (RAID) for error correction. This may or may not cause data corruption. Up to you if you'd like that risk on your data.

That PSU isn't very good. Get the PSU Danny mentioned.

Get this cooler:
$37 - XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler (optional: $7 - XIGMATEK ACK-I7751 LGA775 Bolt-Thru-Kit)
 
I have one more quick question.

Do I want a Motherboard and Video Card that is PCI Express 2.0x16 or just x16 ?

Whats the diffrence BTW ? will a PCI Express 2.0x16 video card fit in an x16 mobo ?

If anyone can help real quick that would be great I am about to order right now.
 
PCI Express 2.0 video cards are backwards-compatible with PCIe 1.1 (x16) slots. The long story short is that PCIe 2.0 doubles the available bandwidth of the x16 slots, but there is no single card out now that fully utilizes all that's available for the PCIe 1.1 (x16) slot.
 
Yeah so real quick here is an update of everything im ordering on tuesday. What do you guys think ?

LITE-ON Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 20X DVD±R DVD Burner - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106263

Antec Three Hundred Black ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042

Western Digital Caviar RE WD2500YS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136055

BFG Tech BFGE96384GSOOCE GeForce 9600 GSO 384MB 192-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143135

CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX12V V2.2 Power Supply 90 - 264 V UL, CUL, CE, CB, FCC Class B, TUV, CCC, C-tick - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139004

CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184

MSI P45 Neo3-FR LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130180

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115018

XIGMATEK HDT-SD964 92mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233014

XIGMATEK ACK-I7751 Retention Bracket - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233019

Thats all I have for now lemme know whats good.
 
Get the WD3200AAKS instead of the WD2500YS. If you're lucky, you may end up with one of the single-platter models that performs at near-Raptor 150GB speeds.

Get the HDT-S1283 for the Q6600.

Get the Corsair TX750 for a little bit more (around $110 shipped, before MIR) at either Provantage or Buy.com. It's more than you need, but at its current sale price, it's almost a steal.

While you're at it, you might as well follow the rest of Toaster Oven's recommendations -- swap out the Lite-On DVD burner for the SH-S203B and the BFG 9600GSO for the EVGA 8800GS (they're essentially the exact same thing, except that EVGA's customer service is reportedly better than BFG's).
 
tiraides said:
Get the WD3200AAKS instead of the WD2500YS. If you're lucky, you may end up with one of the single-platter models that performs at near-Raptor 150GB speeds.

Get the HDT-S1283 for the Q6600.

Get the Corsair TX750 for a little bit more (around $110 shipped, before MIR) at either Provantage or Buy.com. It's more than you need, but at its current sale price, it's almost a steal.

While you're at it, you might as well follow the rest of Toaster Oven's recommendations -- swap out the Lite-On DVD burner for the SH-S203B and the BFG 9600GSO for the EVGA 8800GS (they're essentially the exact same thing, except that EVGA's customer service is reportedly better than BFG's).
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Yeah thanks for the good adivce man I swapped the HDD's but really whats going to be the diffrence in the 92mm fan and the 120mm ?
 
cjvdh said:
Yeah thanks for the good adivce man I swapped the HDD's but really whats going to be the diffrence in the 92mm fan and the 120mm ?
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Noise and better cooling. The smaller heatsink won't dissipate heat as well as the larger heatsink. The larger fan can push more air and so so more quietly than the smaller fan.
 
enginurd said:
Noise and better cooling. The smaller heatsink won't dissipate heat as well as the larger heatsink. The larger fan can push more air and more quietly than the smaller fan.
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Yep good call thanks for the adivce.
 
Last question for the night.

Will the CPU fan XIGMATEK come with thermal compound ? Or will the CPU atleast come with some ?
 
cjvdh said:
Last question for the night.

Will the CPU fan XIGMATEK come with thermal compound ? Or will the CPU atleast come with some ?
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The Xigmatek HDT-S1283 comes with 1g of compound. I just ordered the HDT-S1283 and the retention bracket kit myself, But I'm gonna use Arctic Silver 5 instead of what comes with it.
 
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