2407WFP-HC replacement ?

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Voetsjoeba

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I recently bought a new pc at Dell which included a 2407WFP monitor; or so the configuration page said. I turned out to receive a 2407WFP-HC, which was a magnificent monitor at first glance until I started noticing the problems all of them seem to suffer from: green/pink flashes on resizing/moving white areas and the terrible, terrible overdrive ghosting! I bought this monitor primarily to enjoy watching movies on it, maybe play a widescreen game every once in a while and just have a bigger workspace. The overdrive ghosting pretty much ruined that.

Luckily I noticed these defects before my return-and-get-your-money-back-,-no-questions-asked-period was over, so I just sent it back to Dell and am now awaiting my refund which I expect to arrive soon. The problem I have now though, is: which one do I get now ? I originally aimed for the 2407WFP knowing I should avoid A00 through A02 and I still intend to stick by that, but the fact that they are no longer being produced isn't very comforting. I contacted Alienware who told me I can order a 2407WFP REV A04 from them, but I'm kinda worried about things like warranty, dead pixels and the likes. If it's no longer being produced, what are they gonna send me if the unit I get dies at some point under warranty ? Or if it has a bunch of dead pixels ? Another 2407WFP-HC ?

In this regard I've been digging more into the 2407WFP threads on these forums, but I've heard people say so many contradictory things about them that I don't know what to believe anymore. So my questions to you are:

* Does the 2407WFP REV A04 display any ghosting and/or overdrive trails/halos ? From what I've read I don't think it does, and from what I've seen on the 2407WFP-HC I think it can't be any worse, but better safe than sorry.

* Does the 2407WFP REV A04 display the pink/green flicker when dealing with moving/resizing white areas ? I managed to get rid of this on my 2407WFP-HC by reducing the RGB values to around 85%, but I'm not sure if this will work as well on the 2407WFP (if necessary).

* Does the 2407WFP REV A04 suffer from gradient banding ? I know this was the primary reason for the revisions, and I've heard some say that banding is gone, and then again others who say it's still there. I don't know what to believe on this one.

* I found standard issue DVD quality to be insufficient for these screen sizes, so at some point in the future I'll likely be getting an HD-DVD/Blu-ray player so I can watch movies on a large 24" widescreen display in high quality. I'm not up to speed on the whole HD scene, but I think that implies that this screen should be able to display 1080p and/or 720p. Not sure about the interlaced variants; I read that the screen isn't able to display these. Is this a big deal ? Do the connectors used play a role here ?

* With the 2407WFP-HC monitor I occasionally noticed juddering in movie playback. This was especially noticable with large camera swings. I'm not sure if this is caused by my hardware, drivers, video card (nVidia GeForce 8600GT), operating system (Vista Home Premium) or the monitor itself, but I've seen other people report the same problem with a different moniitor using the same panel. Allegedly it has something to do with PAL playback being 50hz and the monitor being locked at 60hz. Apparently there's a way to fix this in VLC or Media Player Classic, but I sure haven't found it. Just wanted to know if there's any 2407WFP REV A04 users out there experiencing the same.

* I also have an old PS2 around here which I used to hook up to a tiny TV, so it would be nice if I could also hook it up to the screen. I realize it won't be 1080p/i or 720p/i or whatever, I would just like to know if it can be done.

Writing to you with great gratitude and from a tiny temporary 15" CRT screen,
-- Voetsjoeba.
 
As far as I know the 2407 still has problems. I don't know how recent the A04 is, but As of around oct 10th Dell was saying that they will not be fixing the overdrive ghosting on the 2407. I don't own one though, so I can't say how bad it is or if it's even there.
 
I must admit i'm a little confused here. Was there a non HC version of the 2407 out before, that is no longer made? Did it not have the overdrive ghosting of the HC?
 
I'm going to be ordering the 24" LG - the only drawback is that is has no DVI, but I have a long DVI->HDMI cable.

There are so many people moaning about the ghosting on either Dell I'd rather not go there.

I think it is the Benq that some people have complained about flicking black screens...
...and I've heard the Samsung suffers from a bit of light bleeding around the edges.

So to me, apart from the connectivity issue (which isn't really an issue if just using with your pc) the LG seems to tick all the boxes.
 
Frankly put there are no good 24" screens at a reasonable price. There are some Ips 24" but they are in the $1000 range. I have seen just about every 24" screen besides the Benq and all the "cheap" screens are very inferior to the more expensive Ips screens. Coming from a 20" ips screen its a disappointment.

Btw the LG to me is fuzzy, others have told me its razor sharp, but I have seen a few of them and all were fuzzy, also it looks washed out in comparison to the Dell 24"hc.
 
I agree with the no good 24" comments. IPS screens are what I want, but cheap TN/PVA/MVA screens have pushed them out of the market.

Dell won't be fixing the 2407 because the problem is in the panel. I read a reviews of the lower end NEC 24" with the same Samsung PVA panel and it had the same hideous overdrive ghosting. Nothing Dell or NEC can do about it, it is in the panel from Samsung.
 
not to be a nub but what is overdrive ghosting? is this some type of mode the screen runs in? or just happens when playing games ?
 
Dudeyourlame said:
not to be a nub but what is overdrive ghosting? is this some type of mode the screen runs in? or just happens when playing games ?
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It's ironic because overdrive is used to reduce the panels response time so that it doesn't ghost, but when you are to aggressive on the overdrive it can cause ghosting also. Overdrive ghosting doesn't happen with everything, just white textures passing over dark textures leaving a black trail.
 
My recommendation in this space:

I would have kept mine, but alas I kept finding them with dead subpixels. Run Dead pixel buddy and make sure you have none. Otherwise it's one of the, if not THE best 24" monitors around.

Doesn't have input lag, will size VGA with 360 properly in 1920x1080 (unlike BenQ FP241W), will sync perfectly with your PC, or PS3, and while not RAZOR sharp, it's no fuzzier than other monitors in this category. Also, no banding, firmware, or other crappy issues. The component has minimal overscan as well.

Yes, Super-IPS is my preference too, but alas you can't wait forever or spend the extra $$$ on NEC or EIZO monitors, because they are expensive.

Hope that helps,

10e
 
I was in the same boat as you about two weeks ago, the 2407HC while good, has some issues that completely ruins the entertainment experiences such as gamings and movie playbacks. I returned mine the moment Chris (Dell Community Liason) said Dell was not going to fix the ghosting issues with a new revision. Long story short, I direct you to this thread on the Gateway FHD2400. While it's a TN panel, all the other features this monitor possesses outweights it's low viewing angle and color reproduction. Did i mention the FHD2400 has 92% Wide Color Gamut? :D
 
2407wfp-hc maybe phased out soon (it is already missing in Dell.jp).. replaced with a TN panel basic model 24...
 
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