AMD Ryzen is not of the same quality AMD as past cpu's imo. Anyone who remembers AMD at it's best, knows AMD is synonymous with overrclocking, period. Even the AMD K6 original overclocked somewhat and THAT sob got so hot you could literally fry and cook poached eggs on it. Classic cpu's like the Thunderbird, K62, Athlon FX,Duron, 2400+, Opteron, this cpu the ryzen is not in that league. It's a step up, no doubt, and I appreciate it's performance alternative. If you bought one, by all means enjoy it. It's a great cpu and it will do you well! It's just not the enthusiest gaming / overclocking cpu they promised and that bothers me. AMD has been able to get away with falsifications and fabrications lately way too much. It's misleading. There is no reason leaks of it's limited overclocking couldn't have gotten out much sooner. In my opinion it was strategically held back for that very reason - to mislead slightly. Gaming benchmarks are lower also. Overclocking headroom would've possibly made up for the certain issues with the chip. I have a sandy 2600k sitting here from SIX years ago that does over 5 ghz (5.1 ghz) 4c / 8t on a 32nm process with a integrated gpu to boot. I can't help but feel let down by Ryzen. I was really rooting for this cpu to be an extreme alternative to intel. It is but only on the stock front.
Again I mean this as no offense to anyone, just very let down as a huge fan of AMD as an alternative overclocker.
They should really price these extremely low. That would be a great way to recap market and would negate the lack of overclocking. 1700x and 1800x should be $200 and $250 respectively imo.
Did you turn smt off on your Ryzen build, or is it perhaps that you have no Ryzen build and are just parroting what others have said. List the games you own that are not running well on Ryzen if you have it. What is your motherboard model and how many sticks of ram are you using? Answer these questions and perhaps I can help you. Turning of smt in apps using 4 cores or less helps performance considerably. Having no more than 16GB memory and only in 2 dimm slots also helps a lot. There are some flaws in Ryzen, but it is still competitive in gaming if you run it in the parameters I just mentioned. In some gaming apps where it falls behind Intel, you will notice when measuring the lowest frames experienced in the game are the Intel processor, but Intel also has the highest and the highest average. But if you want to judge gaming experience in such a game the lowest frames will cause the tearing and glitches on the screen. AMD's average and lowest frame rates will be more than just adequate in such games . So the actual experience will oft times be a little better than Intel in such games because of not having as low frames at certain points in the game. Nobody mentions this from the other side but it is a real phenomena. I do expect the optimizations and some bios improvements to reduce the negative performance in some games over the next couple of months. It may be a disappointment but not a disaster. I wish you had bought Ryzen before being influenced by the lynch mob here. Shintai is nobody anyone should pay attention to. He is a hater and feeds of discord. There are those who see flaws in Ryzen like myself and like Razor1 , but they do it without malice and will concede points that they were not aware of . That is good to have such debate, because it is based on seeking truth. Shinta would NOT know truth if it hit him in the face. He is the type who could be driven to become a Kluxer. Because he prejudges everything and does not explore all angles.
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