1900XTX vs 8800GTX

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K well my system is in my sig with the 1900XTX and im wondering for $300can + my card for an XFX 8800GTX worth it? (remember here the 8800GTX is $720 or more)

yes i do plan on upgrading my cpu and such in the next coming months as well.
 
Well right now I'd do nearly anything to get an 8800GTX in my rig if I didn't have one.

Therefore, I'd have to say yes. If that's the best price out there for them, then do what you can to get the card, and offset the cost as much as possible by selling your old parts.
 
I say wait until you've got the cash for a full upgrade. You'll see more of a benefit from upgrading more of your parts, and by then prices will also be down. Your current card will still be good enough for the time being, since no DX10 games are coming out for several months anyway.
 
blacken said:
Keep 1900XTX and upgrade when G80 prices fall, IMO.
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I say buy the best when you can afford to do it. If you always wait for the price reductions, you will always be waiting for price reductions. Plus, your shiny new card won't get replaced quite as fast that way. I'd rather buy something at full price when it first comes out, that way I won't feel any regret over not waiting for the next thing.

If you bought a 7950GX2 2 months ago, or 2 and a half months ago, and then found out that your $500 video card was replaced with a $500 and $650 card that was almost double the speed with greater IQ and DX10 support less than a month after your purchase of the 7950GX2, then you'd probably feel like an idiot.
 
When G80 prices fall, your xtx gets worthless. So you don`t save much money by waiting.
 
willi42 said:
When G80 prices fall, your xtx gets worthless. So you don`t save much money by waiting.
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True enough. The value of the X1900XTX decreases almost by the day. When R600 comes out, the X1900XTX prices should go down the toilet.
 
Its just not practical to spend that money on a video card, follow the first suggestion and upgrade your whole system in a month or two. I know I for one will, after christmas prices will drop and buisness will be picking up so if your in an industry that makes money its gonna happen soon. I can afford to go and blow the money for the 8800 especially if I sold my 8 month old 1900XTX but why!?! This thing fucking rocks and I don't want to put up with the buggy vista software until they work out some of the kinks, I'm saving my cash and buying a top of the line system with the bleeding edge video card when the games actually come out or else I might feel....like an idiot.
 
GreyMatterTripp said:
Its just not practical to spend that money on a video card, follow the first suggestion and upgrade your whole system in a month or two. I know I for one will, after christmas prices will drop and buisness will be picking up so if your in an industry that makes money its gonna happen soon. I can afford to go and blow the money for the 8800 especially if I sold my 8 month old 1900XTX but why!?! This thing fucking rocks and I don't want to put up with the buggy vista software until they work out some of the kinks, I'm saving my cash and buying a top of the line system with the bleeding edge video card when the games actually come out or else I might feel....like an idiot.
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I don't agree. The rest of his system is just fine and should be for awhile yet. The video card will make a huge difference, especially at the resolutions that his 24" monitor would require.
 
I've placed an order for an evga 8800gtx at ZZF. I like the x1900xtx, but I've been wanting to play oblivion at a smooth framerate which a x1900xtx does not do well. I still might cancel though since Oblivion doesn't seem reason enough to upgrade to an 8800gtx even though I know other games will benefit. The only problem is that the PC gaming market is thing now and I'm having fun with my Xbox 360 hooked up to my sony kdl-40xbr2 LCD screen which rocks.
 
Over my 7950GX2 all my games (I own most of the popular titles) have improved greatly except for EQ2 and VSoH beta. Definately glad I pulled the trigger on one. I don't understand why EQ2 didn't boost nearly as much but the VSoH beta is understandable since it's not optimized yet.
 
8800 GTX for $640 CAD at NCIX. Go grab it now!
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Yes Master.
I expecting my new card next Thursday...
I love my ATI X1950 but the G80 is in another league.
 
Nvidia :eek: (yawns)


this much performance increase
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for this much of a price difference
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just doesn't make any sense, but hey blow your extra cash, I'll save and by the a newer and updated DX10 unit in about a year or so for the same price if not cheaper, I'll have more selection and the ability to compare Nvidia (whom I've been less than satisfied in my past purchases from) and ATI's solutions side by side. Your buyers remorse has already set in and it is obvious in your posts which could easily be viewed as a grasping attempt to rationalize and relive this remorse. Either way I'm sure they are awsome cards and if you really think that your going to enjoy the game Oblivion more than I will by boosting the FPS from 60 to 70, then damn I need to invest in some technology stock because people are more shortsighted and gullible than I ever imagined. :p
 
Gmeister said:
I've placed an order for an evga 8800gtx at ZZF. I like the x1900xtx, but I've been wanting to play oblivion at a smooth framerate which a x1900xtx does not do well. I still might cancel though since Oblivion doesn't seem reason enough to upgrade to an 8800gtx even though I know other games will benefit. The only problem is that the PC gaming market is thing now and I'm having fun with my Xbox 360 hooked up to my sony kdl-40xbr2 LCD screen which rocks.
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And you need to clean out your system because Oblivion sails on my system, AAx6 and HDR lighting at the highest resolution my 19"CRT uses, I don't really care about a huge monitor until I buy my "Mother Load" system in a year or so and I plan on spending a couple grand on it, this is for school as I get my real estate license and to play games on until then while I'm working full time.

Again though I hope all of you enjoy your gaming, as you spent entirely too much on a single component not too.
 
GreyMatterTripp said:
Nvidia :eek: (yawns)


this much performance increase
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for this much of a price difference
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just doesn't make any sense, but hey blow your extra cash, I'll save and by the a newer and updated DX10 unit in about a year or so for the same price if not cheaper, I'll have more selection and the ability to compare Nvidia (whom I've been less than satisfied in my past purchases from) and ATI's solutions side by side. Your buyers remorse has already set in and it is obvious in your posts which could easily be viewed as a grasping attempt to rationalize and relive this remorse. Either way I'm sure they are awsome cards and if you really think that your going to enjoy the game Oblivion more than I will by boosting the FPS from 60 to 70, then damn I need to invest in some technology stock because people are more shortsighted and gullible than I ever imagined. :p
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I'd go back and check your facts. The 8800GTX is more than twice the power of the X1900XTX. At high resolutions, it is the ONLY sensible choice right now. And it's the only card that can handle games on high detail settings at 2560x1600. If that's not impressive, I don't know what is. At lower resolutions, it gives you free AA and AF for all intensive purposes.
 
LOL


TWICE!!!!


DOUBLE!!!!!

LOL

Put your specticals back on and I'll do no such thing as going back on my words.

To ellaborate, IF the card had DOUBLE performance on everything and every aspect of the hardware was TWICE as powerfull it might warrant spending 2X what I spent on my X1900XTX ($300 delivered) that would mean it would have to clock at 1300 Mhz core and 3100Mhz mem and have at least 1.25 GB of Memory. Your so called "facts" were just taken apart and you have no evidence to suggest that your card performs TWICE as good as the X1900XTX, LMFAO!!! :D You have to admit from anothers perspective it might seem you just feel bad because you've been had by a cleverly executed marketing campaign, a sales person sold you less for more about 1/4 of the performance increase for twice the cost....sure you got a great deal....its okay I know because I'm a sales person I'm sure you still feel great about your purchase and you'll do the same thing next time, keep doing it because you keep the economy thriving.
 
GreyMatterTripp said:
LOL


TWICE!!!!


DOUBLE!!!!!

LOL

Put your specticals back on and I'll do no such thing as going back on my words.

To ellaborate, IF the card had DOUBLE performance on everything and every aspect of the hardware was TWICE as powerfull it might warrant spending 2X what I spent on my X1900XTX ($300 delivered) that would mean it would have to clock at 1300 Mhz core and 3100Mhz mem and have at least 1.25 GB of Memory. Your so called "facts" were just taken apart and you have no evidence to suggest that your card performs TWICE as good as the X1900XTX, LMFAO!!! :D You have to admit from anothers perspective it might seem you just feel bad because you've been had by a cleverly executed marketing campaign, a sales person sold you less for more about 1/4 of the performance increase for twice the cost....sure you got a great deal....its okay I know because I'm a sales person I'm sure you still feel great about your purchase and you'll do the same thing next time, keep doing it because you keep the economy thriving.
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At 2560x1600 in Dark Messiah, I do get substantially more performance as I do in other games. Plus, the clock speed and theoretical bandwidth aren't everything in card design. There is differences between architectures that make the clock speeds virtually meaningless. The clock speed is only comparable if the architectures are the same. Which they are not when comparing a G80 card to R580.

Also consider that one 8800GTX is faster and more powerful than two X1950XTX's in Crossfire. Given that Crossfire improves performance by 85%-90% in some titiles with the addition of a second card, I'd say that my statements are failry accurate. I had dual X1950XTX's in Crossfire and noticed an improvmement in performance by going to a single 8800GTX. That surprised me, I hadn't planned on that being the case, I expected to have to add a second card to actually notice any real improvement. Which I later did, but not because the single card couldn't out perform my old Crossfire setup. The performance of a card really gets tested when you start to crank the AA and AF levels which require an huge demands as those settings are raised. Right now I can run 4x or even 8x AA in games with better performance than 2x or 4x AA on the X1950XTX's most of the time.
 
GreyMatterTripp said:
LOL


TWICE!!!!


DOUBLE!!!!!

LOL

Put your specticals back on and I'll do no such thing as going back on my words.

To ellaborate, IF the card had DOUBLE performance on everything and every aspect of the hardware was TWICE as powerfull it might warrant spending 2X what I spent on my X1900XTX ($300 delivered) that would mean it would have to clock at 1300 Mhz core and 3100Mhz mem and have at least 1.25 GB of Memory. Your so called "facts" were just taken apart and you have no evidence to suggest that your card performs TWICE as good as the X1900XTX, LMFAO!!! :D You have to admit from anothers perspective it might seem you just feel bad because you've been had by a cleverly executed marketing campaign, a sales person sold you less for more about 1/4 of the performance increase for twice the cost....sure you got a great deal....its okay I know because I'm a sales person I'm sure you still feel great about your purchase and you'll do the same thing next time, keep doing it because you keep the economy thriving.
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I have no idea what you are talking about, but I'll use simple comparisons, to show you what Dan_D was trying to tell you.

A single X1900 XTX is slower than a single X1950 XTX, by about 5%-15%, in most situations.

Two X1900 XTX in Crossfire are slower than two X1950 XTX in Crossfire, by about the same 5%-15%, in most situations.

A SINGLE 8800 GTX is as fast or faster than TWO X1950 XTX in Crossfire.

So, this is the same as saying:

ONE 8800 GTX >= TWO X1950 XTX >= TWO X1900 XTX

So yes, a $650 card, is more powerful than two of your $300 X1900 XTX, so it's well worth it, for those that can afford it.
 
GreyMatterTripp said:
LOL


TWICE!!!!


DOUBLE!!!!!

LOL

Put your specticals back on and I'll do no such thing as going back on my words.

To ellaborate, IF the card had DOUBLE performance on everything and every aspect of the hardware was TWICE as powerfull it might warrant spending 2X what I spent on my X1900XTX ($300 delivered) that would mean it would have to clock at 1300 Mhz core and 3100Mhz mem and have at least 1.25 GB of Memory. Your so called "facts" were just taken apart and you have no evidence to suggest that your card performs TWICE as good as the X1900XTX, LMFAO!!! :D You have to admit from anothers perspective it might seem you just feel bad because you've been had by a cleverly executed marketing campaign, a sales person sold you less for more about 1/4 of the performance increase for twice the cost....sure you got a great deal....its okay I know because I'm a sales person I'm sure you still feel great about your purchase and you'll do the same thing next time, keep doing it because you keep the economy thriving.
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Looks like double to me...

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2895&p=4
 
GreyMatterTripp said:
LOL


TWICE!!!!


DOUBLE!!!!!

LOL

Put your specticals back on and I'll do no such thing as going back on my words.

To ellaborate, IF the card had DOUBLE performance on everything and every aspect of the hardware was TWICE as powerfull it might warrant spending 2X what I spent on my X1900XTX ($300 delivered) that would mean it would have to clock at 1300 Mhz core and 3100Mhz mem and have at least 1.25 GB of Memory. Your so called "facts" were just taken apart and you have no evidence to suggest that your card performs TWICE as good as the X1900XTX, LMFAO!!! :D You have to admit from anothers perspective it might seem you just feel bad because you've been had by a cleverly executed marketing campaign, a sales person sold you less for more about 1/4 of the performance increase for twice the cost....sure you got a great deal....its okay I know because I'm a sales person I'm sure you still feel great about your purchase and you'll do the same thing next time, keep doing it because you keep the economy thriving.
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You're an idiot. Read a benchmark. Also, you have no idea what you're talking about on the hardware side of things. 128 stream processors anyone?

Now it's everyone else's turn to "LOL". :rolleyes:
 
Qarl said:
Looks like double to me...

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2895&p=4
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Me too.

Silus said:
I have no idea what you are talking about, but I'll use simple comparisons, to show you what Dan_D was trying to tell you.

A single X1900 XTX is slower than a single X1950 XTX, by about 5%-15%, in most situations.

Two X1900 XTX in Crossfire are slower than two X1950 XTX in Crossfire, by about the same 5%-15%, in most situations.

A SINGLE 8800 GTX is as fast or faster than TWO X1950 XTX in Crossfire.

So, this is the same as saying:

ONE 8800 GTX >= TWO X1950 XTX >= TWO X1900 XTX

So yes, a $650 card, is more powerful than two of your $300 X1900 XTX, so it's well worth it, for those that can afford it.
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Precisely what I was trying to communicate. :cool:
 
CookieFactory said:
This looks suspiciously close to "twice" the performance when compared to a X1950XTX

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4812
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Like I said, I had two X1950XTX's, and I couldn't believe the performance increase that I noticed going from those to a single 8800GTX

I was expecting it to be like it was when the 7800GTX came out. I had dual 6800GT's@Ultra speeds and the single 7800GTX was about the same, and then I added the second one, and that was where I saw the first REAL improvement. I didn't expect the 8800GTX to be so damn powerful. I knew it would be from the benchmarks, but that doesn't do it justice. Running games at 2560x1600 is where I noticed the real differences.
 
Obi_Kwiet said:
You're an idiot. Read a benchmark. Also, you have no idea what you're talking about on the hardware side of things. 128 stream processors anyone?

Now it's everyone else's turn to "LOL". :rolleyes:
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Yeah, "LOL"...

I loved how he ONLY referenced core/memory clocks and memory size to argue against dan's double performance claim, then declaring victory. Clueless...
 
GreyMatterTripp said:
LOL


TWICE!!!!


DOUBLE!!!!!

LOL

Put your specticals back on and I'll do no such thing as going back on my words.

To ellaborate, IF the card had DOUBLE performance on everything and every aspect of the hardware was TWICE as powerfull it might warrant spending 2X what I spent on my X1900XTX ($300 delivered) that would mean it would have to clock at 1300 Mhz core and 3100Mhz mem and have at least 1.25 GB of Memory. Your so called "facts" were just taken apart and you have no evidence to suggest that your card performs TWICE as good as the X1900XTX, LMFAO!!! :D You have to admit from anothers perspective it might seem you just feel bad because you've been had by a cleverly executed marketing campaign, a sales person sold you less for more about 1/4 of the performance increase for twice the cost....sure you got a great deal....its okay I know because I'm a sales person I'm sure you still feel great about your purchase and you'll do the same thing next time, keep doing it because you keep the economy thriving.
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So then by your logic, a 4.5ghz presscott is faster than a 3.6ghz conroe, correct?

Ever heard of different architectures? You have 100% no idea what you're talking about, and everyone who is reading this thread is just laughing at you.

Actually now that I'm reading your posts again you MUST be just doing this for attention. A thirty second Google can confirm the fact that you're wrong. No one can possibly be that unfathomably stupid; according to Darwin you would be dead by now. The only logical conclusion is that you're just trying to get attention.
 
Obi_Kwiet said:
You're an idiot. Read a benchmark. Also, you have no idea what you're talking about on the hardware side of things. 128 stream processors anyone?

Now it's everyone else's turn to "LOL". :rolleyes:
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Lets not forget that those are all in a seperate clock domain of 1.35GHz.

computerpro3 said:
So then by your logic, a 4.5ghz presscott is faster than a 3.6ghz conroe, correct?

Ever heard of different architectures? You have 100% no idea what you're talking about, and everyone who is reading this thread is just laughing at you.

Actually now that I'm reading your posts again you MUST be just doing this for attention. A thirty second Google can confirm the fact that you're wrong. No one can possibly be that unfathomably stupid; according to Darwin you would be dead by now. The only logical conclusion is that you're just trying to get attention.
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Ouch. :eek:
 
perhaps that was a bit harsh but I can't stand people who even when presented with logical arguments and facts that prove them wrong STILL cling to their initial stance. Just admit you're wrong, it happens to everyone occasionally. No reason to blather on like an idiot.
 
computerpro3 said:
perhaps that was a bit harsh but I can't stand people who even when presented with logical arguments and facts that prove them wrong STILL cling to their initial stance. Just admit you're wrong, it happens to everyone occasionally. No reason to blather on like an idiot.
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No, you did fine. :D

Probably just a troll. He was overtly rude toward Dan, insulting him with false information. Even after Dan's composed and respectful rebuttal, he continued his onslaught of idiocy.

[edit] Definitely a troll. Look at his other posts. He starts random arguments with people for no apparent reason, then takes off once enough people catch on to him. Just like this thread!
 
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