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Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock, a network of AI cameras used by ICE, feds, and police

I wonder if one can sue Flock for a type of NIL settlement? "You can't use my image/likeness unless you pay me a lot of money first."
 
Fortunately Fort Collins (where I live) recently terminated its contracts with Flock and they've been removed from the city. Unfortunately, most of the rest of Larimer County remains infested.

https://www.kunc.org/news/2026-06-1...-collection-to-stop-and-cameras-to-be-removed

Salient points I noted from reading Fort Collins' contracts with Flock are: 1. it's expensive - each camera was over $7,000 2. Flock owns everything - the hardware, data, etc., and Fort Collins had effectively no oversight into how the data they gathered was used. This means we were paying Flock to train its AI systems, which it would then use to make more money (privatize the gains, socialize the losses!).

One bright spot of this issue is it seems to be uniting many folks on the right and left.
 
are closed said:
Who will be put in its place? Freedom citizens with guns?
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Did I say remove funding? Police for many towns are used a revenue source to pull people over and give tickets. Here in NJ there was a time the police would have inspection checkpoints for vehicle inspections and emissions, which turned out to be illegal. Chris Christie's 2013 bridgegate was illegal and was convicted of federal crimes. We have cops that have nothing better to do but use Flock to track people for their own person interests, which again is illegal.

So when I say defund, I mean less funding. Flock costs money to use, and having cops with extra time on their hands is costing money. They clearly don't serve the people.

View: https://youtu.be/G61APi9jB3o?si=jarvryExnEDYL_Or
 
DukenukemX said:
Did I say remove funding? Police for many towns are used a revenue source to pull people over and give tickets. Here in NJ there was a time the police would have inspection checkpoints for vehicle inspections and emissions, which turned out to be illegal. Chris Christie's 2013 bridgegate was illegal and was convicted of federal crimes. We have cops that have nothing better to do but use Flock to track people for their own person interests, which again is illegal.

So when I say defund, I mean less funding. Flock costs money to use, and having cops with extra time on their hands is costing money. They clearly don't serve the people.

View: https://youtu.be/G61APi9jB3o?si=jarvryExnEDYL_Or
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While I am totally with you on this, surely you understand where the confusion comes from thought, right?

In English, the prefix "de" means to remove or get rid of something. Its not proper to use it to mean reduction. (though I understand why activists are using the term, because it is much easier to say and chant than "reduce police funding" or something like that.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
While I am totally with you on this, surely you understand where the confusion comes from thought, right?

In English, the prefix "de" means to remove or get rid of something. Its not proper to use it to mean reduction. (though I understand why activists are using the term, because it is much easier to say and chant than "reduce police funding" or something like that.
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I don't think when people say defund they mean no funding. At that point we'd become the Purge. You obviously need police.
 
DukenukemX said:
I don't think when people say defund they mean no funding. At that point we'd become the Purge. You obviously need police.
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I totally agree with you. I just think the term "de" is what makes those on the right of the political spectrum roll their eyes, because they se "de-" and interpret it literally, and then rightfully consider that a crazy proposition.

It has been my long held belief that most people on both sides of the political spectrum are actually closer together on most issues than it appears in the political debates and arguments and it is misinterpretations (intentional or otherwise) that drives wedges between us.

Note: I am treading very carefully here to keep this on the side of making observations on the nature of politics, not making any kind of political argument, which would be against forum rules.
 
There's more abuse being caught from Police. You got misuse of the Flock system by two Reynoldsburg police officers and Savannah Police Department fires 6 employees over Flock Safety System misuse. Then you have Police who are told not to mention the use of Flock.
https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-ne...k-to-search-plate-of-likely-domestic-partner/
https://www.404media.co/do-not-ment...ps-are-trying-to-hide-the-existence-of-flock/
https://www.wtoc.com/2026/08/07/sav...-6-employees-over-flock-safety-system-misuse/

"“DO NOT MENTION ALPR USAGE TO THE OCCUPANTS OF THE VEHICLE,” the policy document reads. “DO NOT MENTION ALPR USAGE IN YOUR REPORT OR COMPLAINT UNLESS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.” "

 
Meanwhile in rhode island...

https://www.newportthisweek.com/art...es-375k-privately-funded-flock-drone-program/

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Flock sounds friendly, not going to lie:D Makes you want to pet one!

In my opinion, in a perfect world, it is a good tool. But, since we are dealing with human nature, this tool falls victim to misuse.

It's like going to either expensive restaurant or "Billy and Joel's": if you have a cook who is not sanitary, they can forget to wash hands after bathroom and prepare your meal in either restaurant that way.
 
mnewxcv said:
Meanwhile in rhode island...

https://www.newportthisweek.com/art...es-375k-privately-funded-flock-drone-program/

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While the Police abuse is a big problem, we tend to forget why cities are approving Flock, which is to make money. Giving people tickets is a huge source of revenue for many municipalities, and will happily ruin peoples days just to make a quick buck. Flock is just another source of revenue by giving people more fines. It's a huge concern when a broken AI can look through Flock footage and give out tickets without taking you to court and going in front of a judge. It's guilty until proven innocent, all to make money for cities and towns. Especially now that people have Waze and Google maps reporting Police locations, it's getting harder to generate that extra revenue for these municipalities.
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DukenukemX said:
...AI can look through Flock footage and give out tickets without taking you to court and going in front of a judge. It's guilty until proven innocent, ...
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While the quoted text is disappointing, this particular citation happened in Australia, not USA.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ai-traffic-cameras-road-safety-debate-1808990


Although Campbell's story made headlines across the US, the incident actually took place in Queensland, Australia, where mobile phone laws for drivers are among the toughest in the world. She was fined AUD$1,251 (about US$820) after an AI-assisted mobile phone detection camera captured an image showing her phone resting face-down on her lap.

Under Queensland law, drivers are not allowed to hold a phone or have it resting on any part of their body, including their lap, even if they are not using it. AI detection cameras are used to identify suspected offences and all images are reviewed by an authorised officer before a penalty is issued.
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