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Samsung 4K 360Hz/FHD 680Hz QD OLED w/ RGB Stripe and True Black 600

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Finally a worthy OLED monitor?

https://global.samsungdisplay.com/31456

• First monitor to combine 4K resolution with a 360Hz refresh rate, pushing the limits of speed and image quality through optimized panel circuitry and driving system

• Supports an ultra-high refresh rate of up to 680Hz at FHD resolution with Dual Mode

• Certified with DisplayHDR™ True Black 600, underscoring Samsung Display’s advanced image quality technology

• New V-stripe pixel structure maximizes text readability across gaming and professional work

• Samsung Display in discussions with more than 10 global brands for supply

Announced Monitors:

https://tftcentral.co.uk/news/msi-u...60hz-qd-oled-monitor-with-triple-mode-support
 
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Hopefully True Black 600 offers enough HDR brightness as that has been my biggest disappointment with QD OLED monitors so far. Got rid of my MSI 321UPX after just 4 months. I'll definitely try one of these out.
 
Probably still get paired with DP 1.4 somehow, or DP2.1 UBR 20, sigh.

Been shopping and so tired of panel specs leading marketing only to find gimping in the high end space.
 
This was a very welcome surprise. Amazing specs - definitely a must-have, but dare I say...imagine these specs, but 5K2K? Definitely been disappointed with Samsung's output this year, hopefully this is the start of a strong showing from them come 2027.
 
kydsid said:
Probably still get paired with DP 1.4 somehow, or DP2.1 UBR 20, sigh.

Been shopping and so tired of panel specs leading marketing only to find gimping in the high end space.
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DP 1.4 does not have enough bandwidth for 4K 360Hz according to this calculator even if you use DSC: https://www.club-3d.com/bandwidth-calculator

What port and bandwidth's get applied totally depend on the monitor maker, not the panel maker. For example, Acer may choose to use gimped DP 2.1 but Asus could use the full 80Gbps. Also, DP 2.1 UHBR20 is literally the highest amount of bandwidth that DP 2.1 can have, you probably meant UHBR 13.5 in terms of gimped specs?
 
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Neat, love that TrueBlack 600 cert, although so few even have TB500. Unfortunately, part of me feels that budget brands (i.e. reasonably priced ones) will still use older panel tech.
 
So TFTC says that mass production won't begin until 2H of the year, probably towards the end. This is looking more like a CES 2027 thing when it comes to actual monitor launches using this panel.
 
MistaSparkul said:
So TFTC says that mass production won't begin until 2H of the year, probably towards the end. This is looking more like a CES 2027 thing when it comes to actual monitor launches using this panel.
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Sounds about right, I mean the Penta Tandem panels just came out this year, so there's no reason to throw yet another new tech on top of it.
 
4k 360 is just fantasy unless you're playing on low settings or don't care about 10% lows right?
TB600 is awesome and I'm very interested in seeing how text actually looks, font clarity has to be the worst thing about my OLED.
 
ZeqOBpf6 said:
4k 360 is just fantasy unless you're playing on low settings or don't care about 10% lows right?
TB600 is awesome and I'm very interested in seeing how text actually looks, font clarity has to be the worst thing about my OLED.
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Frame gen to the rescue!
 
ZeqOBpf6 said:
4k 360 is just fantasy unless you're playing on low settings or don't care about 10% lows right?
TB600 is awesome and I'm very interested in seeing how text actually looks, font clarity has to be the worst thing about my OLED.
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With 2x frame generation I'm able to max out my 4K 165Hz display, 4x frame gen would allow me to max out 360Hz. It's just that right now I'm really not liking anything beyond 2x, but DLSS is constantly improving so just like with super resolution, Nvidia will eventually polish the 3x/4x frame generation modes well enough that most people will have no problem using them.
 
MistaSparkul said:
With 2x frame generation I'm able to max out my 4K 165Hz display, 4x frame gen would allow me to max out 360Hz. It's just that right now I'm really not liking anything beyond 2x, but DLSS is constantly improving so just like with super resolution, Nvidia will eventually polish the 3x/4x frame generation modes well enough that most people will have no problem using them.
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Part of you not liking anything beyond 2x probably is more because of base frame rates. At 3x you are talking 55fps max as a base rate for your monitor. At 4x, it is 41fps max. That's getting pretty low and you start to have more issues. However for a 360Hz monitor you could be using 3x even at 100fps+ base. The higher the base fps, the better framegen works at higher multipliers.

MistaSparkul said:
Hopefully True Black 600 offers enough HDR brightness as that has been my biggest disappointment with QD OLED monitors so far. Got rid of my MSI 321UPX after just 4 months. I'll definitely try one of these out.
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We'll have to see. It'll be better for sure, with the VESA spec you nearly always get that much brightness in real game content. So it should be about 50% brighter than a TB400 monitor in all cases. It also may be even brighter than that in some cases, have to see what the actual numbers are.

That said, it still isn't going to be super impactful. My laptop is about 1100nits and it is noticeably more impactful than the 600-800ish that my TV gets. My PG32UQX is again more impactful than the laptop, though the difference is less, at it's 1600nits.

1000nits is a bit of a magic number right now as a lot of content seems mastered for that max so anything past it doesn't help. However there are plenty of games that can support more. Though the brighter you get the less content that will be displayed that bright. Also the brighter you get the more of a change is needed for you to actually see something as "twice as bright."
 
Sycraft said:
Part of you not liking anything beyond 2x probably is more because of base frame rates. At 3x you are talking 55fps max as a base rate for your monitor. At 4x, it is 41fps max. That's getting pretty low and you start to have more issues. However for a 360Hz monitor you could be using 3x even at 100fps+ base. The higher the base fps, the better framegen works at higher multipliers.


We'll have to see. It'll be better for sure, with the VESA spec you nearly always get that much brightness in real game content. So it should be about 50% brighter than a TB400 monitor in all cases. It also may be even brighter than that in some cases, have to see what the actual numbers are.

That said, it still isn't going to be super impactful. My laptop is about 1100nits and it is noticeably more impactful than the 600-800ish that my TV gets. My PG32UQX is again more impactful than the laptop, though the difference is less, at it's 1600nits.

1000nits is a bit of a magic number right now as a lot of content seems mastered for that max so anything past it doesn't help. However there are plenty of games that can support more. Though the brighter you get the less content that will be displayed that bright. Also the brighter you get the more of a change is needed for you to actually see something as "twice as bright."
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I already tested 4x mode with a base frame rate of 100 on my PG32UCDP running in 480Hz mode and I just didn't like it, I'm well aware that you should not use FG on very low base frame rates. But even with a 100 fps base there was too many artifacts and there was also too much of a disconnect between what I'm seeing and what I'm feeling moving the mouse around. You can make 100 fps look like 400 fps, but it's not going to feel like 400fps should. Supposedly frame warping is supposed to fix that (I think?) which is what Reflex 2 is, but that's still not out yet. Regardless though I'm sure one day MFG is going to be a much more polished experience than it currently is now.
 
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MistaSparkul said:
I already tested 4x mode with a base frame rate of 100 on my PG32UCDP running in 480Hz mode and I just didn't like it, I'm well aware that you should not use FG on very low base frame rates. But even with a 100 fps base there was too many artifacts and there was also too much of a disconnect between what I'm seeing and what I'm feeling moving the mouse around. You can make 100 fps look like 400 fps, but it's not going to feel like 400fps should. Supposedly frame warping is supposed to fix that (I think?) which is what Reflex 2 is, but that's still not out yet. Regardless though I'm sure one day MFG is going to be a much more polished experience than it currently is now.
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Fair, I feel like 3x mode looks pretty good with Cyberpunk, which all cranked only runs at like 60fps base. However everyone will feel different.

Either way, frame gen makes higher refresh interesting for sure. Even if you only like 2x FG, I have a number of games that I can run at 150fps+ and all of those are no-go for 2x on a 240Hz monitor but could be candidates on a 360Hz monitor. Like, I wouldn't upgrade just for that. 240Hz is a somewhat minor upgrade over 120Hz and 260Hz will be yet more minor, but I wouldn't say no either.
 
Sycraft said:
Fair, I feel like 3x mode looks pretty good with Cyberpunk, which all cranked only runs at like 60fps base. However everyone will feel different.

Either way, frame gen makes higher refresh interesting for sure. Even if you only like 2x FG, I have a number of games that I can run at 150fps+ and all of those are no-go for 2x on a 240Hz monitor but could be candidates on a 360Hz monitor. Like, I wouldn't upgrade just for that. 240Hz is a somewhat minor upgrade over 120Hz and 260Hz will be yet more minor, but I wouldn't say no either.
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Based on refresh rate alone yeah I wouldn't upgrade just for that, like if there was a 360Hz PG32UCDP but all other aspects being exactly the same then I wouldn't bite. But as a whole package this seems like a big enough upgrade over it for me to jump on it.
 
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Based on refresh rate alone yeah I wouldn't upgrade just for that, like if there was a 360Hz PG32UCDP but all other aspects being exactly the same then I wouldn't bite. But as a whole package this seems like a big enough upgrade over it for me to jump on it.
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I'll have to see what brightness looks like. While it will have higher brightness capabilities overall than the PG32UCDP, I wonder how it'll fair in real world tests. While WOLEDs only get real bright with desaturated colors, well white is often what gets set as the brightest so in real scenes testing shows that they are usually brighter than QD-OLEDs despite the same VESA certification.

I'll be watching with interest though. I'm also watching the MiniLED market. If the HKC G32M12Max ever actually gets released and is a functionally calibrated product, it could be amazing. It has a ton of dimming zones, even when you divide them by 3 to account for RGB each being counted separate. Likewise RGB backlight, when competently controlled, has shown to reduce the appearance of blooming since things will bloom in the color that they are, rather than white, which is less noticeable.

However it also requires some really good control chips to do well, and I've never heard of HKC, so I'm skeptical until I see it.
 
MistaSparkul said:
DP 1.4 does not have enough bandwidth for 4K 360Hz according to this calculator even if you use DSC: https://www.club-3d.com/bandwidth-calculator

What port and bandwidth's get applied totally depend on the monitor maker, not the panel maker. For example, Acer may choose to use gimped DP 2.1 but Asus could use the full 80Gbps. Also, DP 2.1 UHBR20 is literally the highest amount of bandwidth that DP 2.1 can have, you probably meant UHBR 13.5 in terms of gimped specs?
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Thats what i meant with gimping. Or more correctly this exactly

360hz that can never be realized because its gimped.

https://tftcentral.co.uk/news/msi-u...60hz-qd-oled-monitor-with-triple-mode-support


Such BS
 
Sycraft said:
I'll have to see what brightness looks like. While it will have higher brightness capabilities overall than the PG32UCDP, I wonder how it'll fair in real world tests. While WOLEDs only get real bright with desaturated colors, well white is often what gets set as the brightest so in real scenes testing shows that they are usually brighter than QD-OLEDs despite the same VESA certification.

I'll be watching with interest though. I'm also watching the MiniLED market. If the HKC G32M12Max ever actually gets released and is a functionally calibrated product, it could be amazing. It has a ton of dimming zones, even when you divide them by 3 to account for RGB each being counted separate. Likewise RGB backlight, when competently controlled, has shown to reduce the appearance of blooming since things will bloom in the color that they are, rather than white, which is less noticeable.

However it also requires some really good control chips to do well, and I've never heard of HKC, so I'm skeptical until I see it.
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I was initially hyped for RGB mini LED but recently HDTVTest showed that without the kind of proper processing that Sony has, it is mostly useless compared to a white LED backlight anyway, you are better off increasing zone count rather than going RGB backlight in that case but even then that will also require better processing otherwise it will look no better than a lower zone count FALD. The only possible Mini LED upgrade I can see over my TCL 27R94 would be the HKC monitor with 9000+ dimming zones and 240Hz. That monitor has gone completely radio silent though unfortunately.
 
This is the panel that I've been waiting for. I've held off on buying an OLED monitor for all these years but I won't be able to resist this one. Standard RGB layout, 350+ nits at 100%, and 360Hz as a bonus. Give us a 5k2k ultrawide variant to go with this too.
 
thelead said:
This is the panel that I've been waiting for. I've held off on buying an OLED monitor for all these years but I won't be able to resist this one. Standard RGB layout, 350+ nits at 100%, and 360Hz as a bonus. Give us a 5k2k ultrawide variant to go with this too.
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Apparently Alienware is lauching a 39" 5K2K with RGB stripe layout.

https://videocardz.com/newz/alienwa...led-and-34-inch-280hz-qd-oled-gaming-monitors

It's only 165Hz though and 300 nits fullfield so you will be sacrificing refresh rate and some max brightness. I'm personally leaning more towards this monitor now since 360Hz at 4K isn't really achievable without MFG and I'm totally fine with 165Hz since that's my TV's current refresh rate anyway.
 
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Apparently Alienware is lauching a 39" 5K2K with RGB stripe layout.

https://videocardz.com/newz/alienwa...led-and-34-inch-280hz-qd-oled-gaming-monitors

It's only 165Hz though and 300 nits fullfield so you will be sacrificing refresh rate and some max brightness. I'm personally leaning more towards this monitor now since 360Hz at 4K isn't really achievable without MFG and I'm totally fine with 165Hz since that's my TV's current refresh rate anyway.
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Yeah, that one looks great too but I definitely don't want to give up any brightness and would love to be over 200Hz. I also want to see how LG's WOLED gray uniformity is impacted by the change to true RGB.
 
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