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Arrow Lake Refresh

And identical performance to the 14900K (or a smidge better)
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Doesn't the 285K (Or the 270K, ect) get better results at 4K when comparing to AMD? Every review shows them beating Intel a lot at lower resolutions but seem to be a lot closer at 4K.
 
Ordered the 270K on Thursday, and just got it today from Newegg.
Currently sold out at Newegg.
 
D-EJ915 said:
AMD/X3D is kind of crap on FF14 in reality though, jerky/stuttery. That's why I've never used my 5800X3D or 7800X3D as my daily driver so they just kinda chill in the other room and why I never got the 9800X3D.
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FF14 has always been butter smooth for me whether I'm on Intel or AMD
 
kamxam said:
Doesn't the 285K (Or the 270K, ect) get better results at 4K when comparing to AMD? Every review shows them beating Intel a lot at lower resolutions but seem to be a lot closer at 4K.
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Usually, but that's just being GPU bound. Fire up an old or non-demanding game, run on low settings with a fast card, or turn on upscaling and you'll see a lot more difference.

It's really just AM5 X3D chips that really get ahead of Intel in gaming.
 
nice, gonna wait and see if the price drops at all before I grab one since it's just an extra cpu for me.
 
D-EJ915 said:
nice, gonna wait and see if the price drops at all before I grab one since it's just an extra cpu for me.
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It came a little late today but tomorrow I'll swap it out and start testing against my OC'd 265K. I think I'll need to update BIOS first too.
 
Ok first thoughts on this thing from a non techtuber point of view, its much snappier in Windows and equal or faster than my pretty decently overclocked 265K with BIOS defaults and XMP enabled (8000MT/s CL38). Definitely what 200S should have been from the start, I think the 250K is honestly the one to go for though.
 
I received a 250k from B&H

The batch is L**G***

The overclock.net thread for Arrowlake, seems to think that CPUs from LG and VG batches are the best.

L cpus are laser etched IMC IHS, like mine.
V CPUs have a printed IMC IHS.

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Any meaningful difference between the L or V?
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I dunno. I was just repeating what they were saying on the overclocking forum. But, I otherwise don't know where they are getting that info.

Last night, someone posted this. Which is a V made in February. First one I've seen made in 2026. And first "VF" I have seen.

My CPU I posted above, was made the week of November 16th.
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I just realized that above, I wrote:

L cpus are laser etched IMC, like mine.
V CPUs have a printed IMC.


and that should have been IHS. Not IMC.

I moved in the past couple of days ok. I'm sore and tired.
 
I've done a lot of testing across a few games with both 4090 and 9070XT. Between OC 265K and stock 270K there is almost no gap at all, and the 270K always wins. A couple of games had a 3-5% improvement. I haven't had time to try overclocking my 270K at all, but the stock form is very impressive and basically what I expected it to look like after the reviews.

The 9070XT doesn't really have the cojones to show any difference even at 1080p medium in games like Marvel Rivals and Cyberpunk 2077. However, I was really surprised at how far ahead of my 7700X these both are. I decided to try a couple of the tests on that rig and its a clear 10-ish% slower (stock PBO/6000CL28 EXPO). For example, Cyberpunk 2077 on Ultra preset with no upscaling 1080p looks like this:

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This is by no means some professional rigorous testing but its just for fun. I may add in the 9800X3D after but my games on that rig are modded to hell and back and I don't want that to affect it.
 
xDiVolatilX said:
Wow 270k is significantly faster than a 14700k 100% of the time in gaming and applications. This is a W for the 270 for sure. Is it doing it using less wattage? Not sure if I can see the power draw.
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The power draw for gaming, is underneath the CPU temp.
 
first try... will play some more... havent touched ram yet
 

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Wow 270k is significantly faster than a 14700k 100% of the time in gaming and applications. This is a W for the 270 for sure. Is it doing it using less wattage? Not sure if I can see the power draw.
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not sure why they are comparing those two... they are I7's but thats about it
 
Kind of tapped out at 49k at this point, using a $40 byski waterblock, and the taichi is more of a memory clocker
 

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not sure where that would be, or why you would think i would want to lower anything... im running LLC4 all core
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You set current limit on the same page where you can manually set the PL1 and PL2 power limits.

I dunno what the default max current is for a 270K. But, for a 285K, is 347 amps.

I would drop it to 300 and see what happens. If it improves your score, keep going lower until your score regresses.

Or if it doesn't improve your score, raise it slowly (maybe by 10 amps at a time), and see if it improves your score at some point, or not.

I had great luck with a 265K, lower it to about 285 amps, while overclocking. gaining 2000 points in R23, in comparison to the same overclock with default current level.

The P-cores in Arrowlake are very temp sensitive and are basically constantly micro throttling themselves. Lowering the current limit, can potentially keep them from having to heat balance so much at a low level. Ultimately increasing performance.
 
chameleoneel said:
You set current limit on the same page where you can manually set the PL1 and PL2 power limits.

I dunno what the default max current is for a 270K. But, for a 285K, is 347 amps.

I would drop it to 300 and see what happens. If it improves your score, keep going lower until your score regresses.

Or if it doesn't improve your score, raise it slowly (maybe by 10 amps at a time), and see if it improves your score at some point, or not.

I had great luck with a 265K, lower it to about 285 amps, while overclocking. gaining 2000 points in R23, in comparison to the same overclock with default current level.

The P-cores in Arrowlake are very temp sensitive and are basically constantly micro throttling themselves. Lowering the current limit, can potentially keep them from having to heat balance so much at a low level. Ultimately increasing performance.
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I'm using the Taichi ocf, I don't see any power limits...I don't see any evidence of throttling either...temps are 77c max...tsp is 320w I was hoping for more wattage so something is governing it...still playing with this mobo, it's my first ASRock and so far I like it but I had to stop getting advice from people that own Asus because some of the options and configurations are the complete opposite...it took me two days to figure out how to apply voltage and it's still fluctuating too much at idle...

Appreciate your time :)
 
Below Ambient said:
I'm using the Taichi ocf, I don't see any power limits...I don't see any evidence of throttling either...temps are 77c max...tsp is 320w I was hoping for more wattage so something is governing it...still playing with this mobo, it's my first ASRock and so far I like it but I had to stop getting advice from people that own Asus because some of the options and configurations are the complete opposite...it took me two days to figure out how to apply voltage and it's still fluctuating too much at idle...

Appreciate your time :)
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I've had several Asrock boards, and my Arrowlake system is Asrock ;) (Z890i Nova)

This isn't about your peak temps.
 
chameleoneel said:
I've had several Asrock boards, and my Arrowlake system is Asrock ;) (Z890i Nova)
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I'm running a 285k on an ASRock board too - Steel Legend Z890. I basically went ASRock for the temp probe. I love that thing and I'll be looking for another temp probe next time I buy a board. It works great if you have an air cooled vid card, an AIO for the CPU mounted as exhaust, and halfway decent airflow. AIOs are quite restrictive, so if only the CPU is working the 4 140mm intake fans pull enough air in at silent idle speed to feed the AIO even if it's going full tilt. I shoved the probe into my vid card's cooling fins and set the case fan curve based on vid card exhaust temps. Works great. Case fans only spin up when the vid card is working hard enough, and they spin up before the whole system starts getting warm like would happen if I used system temp for fan curves.

I haven't tried overclocking it. I kind of kicked myself out of the OC world with my 3rd dual socket build in 2004 and never got back into it. Opteron 200 series were locked down & didn't support overclocking. The system that preceded it was an OC hack. I was running dual overclocked "Barton" Athlon XP 2500+ chips. You could mod the bridges on the PCB to turn an XP into an MP and change the multiplier.
 
zandor said:
I'm running a 285k on an ASRock board too - Steel Legend Z890. I basically went ASRock for the temp probe. I love that thing and I'll be looking for another temp probe next time I buy a board. It works great if you have an air cooled vid card, an AIO for the CPU mounted as exhaust, and halfway decent airflow. AIOs are quite restrictive, so if only the CPU is working the 4 140mm intake fans pull enough air in at silent idle speed to feed the AIO even if it's going full tilt. I shoved the probe into my vid card's cooling fins and set the case fan curve based on vid card exhaust temps. Works great. Case fans only spin up when the vid card is working hard enough, and they spin up before the whole system starts getting warm like would happen if I used system temp for fan curves.

I haven't tried overclocking it. I kind of kicked myself out of the OC world with my 3rd dual socket build in 2004 and never got back into it. Opteron 200 series were locked down & didn't support overclocking. The system that preceded it was an OC hack. I was running dual overclocked "Barton" Athlon XP 2500+ chips. You could mod the bridges on the PCB to turn an XP into an MP and change the multiplier.
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Oh yeah, the Thermister probe is a pretty cool accessory.

I like Asrock's board layouts. Especially for ITX. And they also havent done the EZ connectors for wifi antennae. So, we can still use whatever we want.
 
I'm one of the few who was looking forward to the 290K, and so sad when Intel scrapped it. I have a 285 (non-K) and it would have been my upgrade path on Arrow Lake since I hang onto my systems for some years. My only other option would have been to go to the 285K which seems quite expensive for little gain, or now have to spend on a new expensive MB and CPU because of platform change. So it seems I may just been stuck with the 285 for some time.
 
I freaking finally setup my 250K and did some preliminary testing.

For reference, my 265K would do 5.5 Pcore and 4.9 Ecore (I actually never tried 5.0 Ecore. It would not do 5.6 Pcore stable). Letting it run fully open for about 240 watts, was a bit too much power and heat, for my 240 AIO set for balanced noise/performance.
I would usually limit it to 180 watts and limit the core current to 200 (limiting the current helps with micro-throttling, and resulted in better multicore scores).

and it would do DDR5 8400 no problem. Did not tolerate ANY overclock to the ring/cache. 200s boost equivalent settings for D2D and NGU was stable. Although about once a week, it might fail a POST. But, never any errors in testing or any crashes in games.

I don't remember the SP rating on the cores. Not terrible. But, also not high 90's.

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For this 250K. The SP rating for the P-cores is 70.................wow that is low (lower SP rating is considered worse).

However, its maybe not as bad as we think? This probably won't be a 5.9ghz chip. But so far....


.....5.6Ghz Pcores. 4,9Ghz Ecores. With no voltage adjustment (~1.22v) - (265K would auto adjust itself to 1.4-ish, for 5.5Pcore).
So far, can't get it to POST with DDR5 8400, which is honestly pretty stupid.
It does do 8000


Fully open, it does about 180 watts. And narrowly beats the 265K at 5.5P 4.9E when limited to 180 watts.
No need to limit the core current. Doing so actually hurts This 250k's performance.

Only game test I have done so far, is the FF14 benchmark. Which is notorioiusly difficult for Arrowlake. And.....

.......There is basically no improvement. Despite IBOT optimizations specifically for FF14. and Tomshardware benchmarked FF14 and showed notably improved FF14 performance with IBOT (I'm not sure if they use the FF14 benchmark, or ran an instance in the real game).
 
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270k plus is $280 at amazon so went ahead and grabbed one, guess I'll put my 265k up for sale soonish.
 
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