Linux market share passes 4% for first time

Yeah. I figured it was better than the testing one as I just wanted to test plasma 6 at the time.
The fact that apt isn't even recognized as a valid command isn't right. You can install it via dpkg, but perhaps ask the question as to what the problem might be here under the help section.

As can be seen, apt works perfectly here, and as far as I'm aware I'm running the exact same KDE Neon OS as yourself.
 
Yeah, better to know it's not all sunshine & rainbows before going in than to get there and be disappointed or confused. You shouldn't have to compile things or mess with the CLI nowadays, but that doesn't mean you won't ever. Some distros especially have some rough spots, or (Arch, Gentoo, etc) expect you to learn and use the whole OS (or a good portion anyway).
 
It's different than Windows so there is a bit of self-education involved. But once you have a general idea of how your distro works and get your interface setup how you like then you're pretty much all set.

You also don't have: updates causing blue screens, a multi-billion dollar company watching everything you do and selling your data, ads being inserted into your interface, unwanted software showing up without consent, software being removed without consent, pop-ups begging you to switch your browser, etc.
 
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It's different than Windows so there is a bit of self-education involved. But once you have a general idea of how your distro works and get your interface setup how you like then you're pretty much all set.

You also don't have: updates causing blue screens, a multi-billion dollar company watching everything you do and selling your data, ads being inserted into your interface, unwanted software showing up without consent, software being removed without consent, pop-ups begging you to switch your browser, etc.
I agree with 99% of what you have said. I disagree with the updates not causing crashes. I have updated numerous times and been at a grub menu afterwards where I have to boot an old kernel, which means I need to know the exact kernel models I previously had installed.

Still, not bashing Linux. It has some hiccups, but I still like it.
 
I can honestly say I've experienced far more issues regarding updates under Windows than updates under Linux. I also use the CLI extensively under both Windows and MacOS.
 
I can honestly say I've experienced far more issues regarding updates under Windows than updates under Linux. I also use the CLI extensively under both Windows and MacOS.
My only gripe about updates in windows stemmed from the auto restart immediately with no way to stop it on the fly. I haven't had that issue in ages.

I just updated my 14 million year old Dell venue tablet to the newest windows 10 update, and while it took the better part of a century and about about 40 reboots, no issue.
 
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My only gripe about updates in windows stemmed from the auto restart immediately with no way to stop it on the fly. I haven't had that issue in ages.

I just updated my 14 million year old Dell venue tablet to the newest windows 10 update, and while it took the better part of a century and about about 40 reboots, no issue.
Windows update is far from issue free, there's a number of threads under these very forums regarding problems encountered under Windows update - It's also slow as molasses. I'm not looking for an argument, but facts are facts.
 
Windows update is far from issue free, there's a number of threads under these very forums regarding problems encountered under Windows update - It's also slow as molasses. I'm not looking for an argument, but facts are facts.
its definitely still slower than Linux, but significantly better than the windows 7 and before days.

I don't think you're arguing, really. We all have different experiences with OSs.
 
I don't think you're arguing, really. We all have different experiences with OSs.
At the end of the day, people use what works best for them, and life is good. :)

I think I've finally tweaked my KDE Neon 6 desktop to a point whereby I'm 100% happy. The pics won't do it justice, looks amazing at 4k:
 

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You also don't have: updates causing blue screens, a multi-billion dollar company watching everything you do and selling your data, ads being inserted into your interface, unwanted software showing up without consent, software being removed without consent, pop-ups begging you to switch your browser, etc.
One of the freeing aspects of moving most of my systems to Linux has not been in any illusion that linux updates can't break something, but knowing that a financial incentive in an oversight vacuum isn't influencing or steering the updates. Meaning if something does break and a rollback is required, it wasn't for any marketing/corporate/policy or otherwise non-technical decision, no stealthy components designed to steer user behavior. No mix of bad faith, arrogance and complacency taking the userbase for granted, like we know from MS's Windows update history:

1) Infusing marketing-related components into "security" updates
2) Not testing updates enough and breaking some systems
3) Not caring that some systems get broken or users leave the platform because of the size of the userbase, most of which isn't aware or doesn't care what's happening under the hood
 
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At the end of the day, people use what works best for them, and life is good. :)

I think I've finally tweaked my KDE Neon 6 desktop to a point whereby I'm 100% happy. The pics won't do it justice, looks amazing at 4k:
You definitely have wayyyyyy more apps than I'll ever use, but mine is similar to yours. Even on windows I might run like 5 programs. Usually World of Warcraft, one of two other games, chrome and MAYBE office, but I have a work PC for any office stuff these days.
 
pop-ups begging you to switch your browser, etc.
(Reminds me that ironically Firefox on my Linux install nags me every month with a modal dialog to switch before allowing me to use the browser, while none of my Windows FF versions do. Though it's not the OS doing this at least, for sure.)

The inroads Linux has made into gaming (huge and not just limited to Linux for things like DXVK), usability of various distros and just general utility for specific use cases (router software, virtualization, self-hosted stuff) make it worthwhile even if there are things that as a desktop OS are preferable on Windows.
 
You definitely have wayyyyyy more apps than I'll ever use, but mine is similar to yours. Even on windows I might run like 5 programs. Usually World of Warcraft, one of two other games, chrome and MAYBE office, but I have a work PC for any office stuff these days.
I admit, I use my PC quite a bit, for both work and play.
 
If anything, that pile of apps in your floating dock is a testament to the amount of apps that work within Linux, many of them familiar windows programs.
Honestly, I never get the feeling that there isn't an app specific to my needs - As you stated, many are now cross platform. Most of the time I'm not even conscious of the fact I don't run Windows.
 
Honestly, I never get the feeling that there isn't an app specific to my needs - As you stated, many are now cross platform. Most of the time I'm not even conscious of the fact I don't run Windows.
I think it's a weird feeling for people to not need to google programs to download and just use their software center.
 
One of the most freeing aspects of transitioning most of my systems to Linux has not been in any belief that linux updates can't break something, but knowing that a financial incentive in an oversight vacuum isn't steering the updates. Meaning if something does break and a rollback is required, it wasn't for any marketing/corporate/policy or otherwise non-technical decision, no stealthy components designed to steer user behavior. There's no mix of bad faith, arrogance and complacency taking the userbase for granted, like we know from MS's Windows update history:

1) Infusing marketing-related components into "security" updates
2) Not testing updates enough and breaking some systems
3) Not caring that some systems get broken or users leave the platform because of the size of the userbase, most of which isn't aware or doesn't care what's happening under the hood
Was just helping my sister installing TurboTax on her PC because she bought it off Amazon and it wouldn't install. When she turned it on the PC was installing updates, which we gave up after 20 minutes of it being stuck at 100%. I do not miss using Windows. It is liberating knowing that no financial incentive could play it's hand on Linux, and if it does then it's not like I don't have dozens of other distros I could easily switch over to. Ubuntu screws up by making snap packages the default? You have Linux Mint, PopOS, Zorin, and etc. As much as Microsoft wants everyone to have good faith on them, I can't. Same goes for Apple.
 
I think it's a weird feeling for people to not need to google programs to download and just use their software center.
Honestly, I hardly ever use discover to search for software, old habits die hard I suppose. I actually prefer using terminal to install all the software I need.
 
Honestly, I hardly ever use discover to search for software, old habits die hard I suppose. I actually prefer using terminal to install all the software I need.
Same, although that's mostly because I was scarred by horrible package manager frontends 10-15 yrs ago.
 
One of the freeing aspects of moving most of my systems to Linux has not been in any illusion that linux updates can't break something, but knowing that a financial incentive in an oversight vacuum isn't influencing or steering the updates. Meaning if something does break and a rollback is required, it wasn't for any marketing/corporate/policy or otherwise non-technical decision, no stealthy components designed to steer user behavior. No mix of bad faith, arrogance and complacency taking the userbase for granted, like we know from MS's Windows update history:

1) Infusing marketing-related components into "security" updates
2) Not testing updates enough and breaking some systems
3) Not caring that some systems get broken or users leave the platform because of the size of the userbase, most of which isn't aware or doesn't care what's happening under the hood

Hah. You are right-ish for Linux in general. But you just perfectly described why I don't use Ubuntu anymore :)
 
Was just helping my sister installing TurboTax on her PC because she bought it off Amazon and it wouldn't install. When she turned it on the PC was installing updates, which we gave up after 20 minutes of it being stuck at 100%. I do not miss using Windows. It is liberating knowing that no financial incentive could play it's hand on Linux, and if it does then it's not like I don't have dozens of other distros I could easily switch over to. Ubuntu screws up by making snap packages the default? You have Linux Mint, PopOS, Zorin, and etc. As much as Microsoft wants everyone to have good faith on them, I can't. Same goes for Apple.

Personally, I do not really care, just so long as what I am using works.
 
This thread ain't doing Linux adoption any favors.
This is why Linux adoption suffers. Some people will tell others that whatever DE they are running is super stable and easy to use when it's not. So then they end up in forums talking about command line crap when they wouldn't otherwise. You get to see this here in real time.
 
It's total rubbish here. I thought I'd try it again with the release of Plasma 6, as I run a 27" 4k monitor and there was talk that fractional scaling was finally fixed. So I booted into Wayland, and sure enough the desktop was rendered perfectly, no disproportionate scaling, no fuzzies. I fired up a game of CS2, crazy flickering - OK I thought, explicit sync still hasn't been merged. It should have been merged by now, but I can handle that.

Upon exiting the game I went to click the KDE icon to open the Application Launcher menu, only to find that the last program in my system tray was opening instead - It seems desktop elements are in the right place visually, but to the OS they're not where the pointer expects them to be. So, once again, Wayland = a total fail.

Furthermore, as stated, only the flickering is Nvidia hardware/driver related. Everything else is specifically a Wayland implementation issue.
KDE's Wayland support has lagged Gnome by quite a bit for quite some time. It's been garbage but that's not Wayland that's KDE and Plasma. It was slower than Gnome for eons until just recently. So of course you had issues you've got the holy trinity of having a bad time right there. KDE's broken Wayland support is almost a meme, I can see why your experience is what it is. This would be like me picking the distro with the least amount of ZFS support and then saying ZFS was trash.
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This is why Linux adoption suffers. Some people will tell others that whatever DE they are running is super stable and easy to use when it's not. So then they end up in forums talking about command line crap when they wouldn't otherwise. You get to see this here in real time.
Well, my KDE install was super awesome and looked amazing and I was surprised at how polished it was. Until I tried to install Battle.net through Lutris. I tried as a stand alone, snap and flatpak.

When installing it would hang at a screen telling me it was creating some Wine dependencies (or something to that effect. I can get a proper answer later on in the day). Sometimes it would freeze the entire system and make me hard reboot, others it would just load forever, even if I "killed" all wine tasks.

The internet tells me it's because I don't have wine32. I can tell that's the case since wine --version tells me it's not installed and I should just "install it".

Good luck. Dependency hell. Not only that, it will throw errors during install saying "missing dependency, not attempting to install". Fun.
 
Well, my KDE install was super awesome and looked amazing and I was surprised at how polished it was. Until I tried to install Battle.net through Lutris. I tried as a stand alone, snap and flatpak.

When installing it would hang at a screen telling me it was creating some Wine dependencies (or something to that effect. I can get a proper answer later on in the day). Sometimes it would freeze the entire system and make me hard reboot, others it would just load forever, even if I "killed" all wine tasks.

The internet tells me it's because I don't have wine32. I can tell that's the case since wine --version tells me it's not installed and I should just "install it".

Good luck. Dependency hell. Not only that, it will throw errors during install saying "missing dependency, not attempting to install". Fun.
Yikes. Battlenet. Try installing it to Steam and then using Proton on it. Much easier.
 
Yikes. Battlenet. Try installing it to Steam and then using Proton on it. Much easier.
Honestly, didn't know battle net or wow were on steam. I'll give it a go I guess.

I keep hearing proton but I don't know what that is, so I guess I have some research to do.
 
Honestly, didn't know battle net or wow were on steam. I'll give it a go I guess.

I keep hearing proton but I don't know what that is, so I guess I have some research to do.
It's not on Steam. You can use Steam and it's libraries to install software. So you download regular Battle.net. You then pick Add a Game in the lower left corner of Steam. Then you right click on the application. Go to compatibility then force use of Proton (its a fork of Wine).
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It's not on Steam. You can use Steam and it's libraries to install software. So you download regular Battle.net. You then pick Add a Game in the lower left corner of Steam. Then you right click on the application. Go to compatibility then force use of Proton (its a fork of Wine).
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Thanks! Had no idea. Wild world out there.
 
KDE's Wayland support has lagged Gnome by quite a bit for quite some time. It's been garbage but that's not Wayland that's KDE and Plasma. It was slower than Gnome for eons until just recently. So of course you had issues you've got the holy trinity of having a bad time right there. KDE's broken Wayland support is almost a meme, I can see why your experience is what it is. This would be like me picking the distro with the least amount of ZFS support and then saying ZFS was trash.
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Doesn't change the fact that I refuse to use Gnome based on the attitudes of Gnome devs, and I can't use Wayland the way I want under KDE. One of the problems with Wayland is that it leaves everything up to the WM, meaning your Wayland experience isn't identical across WM's.

Well, my KDE install was super awesome and looked amazing and I was surprised at how polished it was. Until I tried to install Battle.net through Lutris. I tried as a stand alone, snap and flatpak.
You have to run the Wine Flatpak along with Lutris, installing Wine via apt under KDE 6 will result in dependency issues due to libpoppler-glib8. But don't use Lutris, it's hot garbage, use Bottles. Bottles is Flatpak and comes with Wine as part of it's Flatpak, so no dependency issues and no need to install Wine seperately. You can run any Windows software under Bottles, it's far easier and there's less risk of Malware deleting your files.
 

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It's not on Steam. You can use Steam and it's libraries to install software. So you download regular Battle.net. You then pick Add a Game in the lower left corner of Steam. Then you right click on the application. Go to compatibility then force use of Proton (its a fork of Wine).
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I use Steam to to run the EA App, however the process is a little more involved than just adding a non steam game. You have to edit the prefix path as well as the path to the executable under Steam after you've run the installer and created the prefix.

Edit auntjemima, if you're stuck and want advice, feel free to PM me. I'm not up for any arguments or abuse, but I'm more than happy to help if you're friendly.
 
Doesn't change the fact that I refuse to use Gnome based on the attitudes of Gnome devs, and I can't use Wayland the way I want under KDE.
Of course it doesn't. But it also doesn't change the fact that Wayland and KDE is buggy meanwhile in Gnome it's not, which is part of the reason why your experience and mine are so different.
One of the problems with Wayland is that it leaves everything up to the WM, meaning your Wayland experience isn't identical across WM's.
Most people are going to use the WM that's the default of the DE.
 
Well, my KDE install was super awesome and looked amazing and I was surprised at how polished it was. Until I tried to install Battle.net through Lutris. I tried as a stand alone, snap and flatpak.

When installing it would hang at a screen telling me it was creating some Wine dependencies (or something to that effect. I can get a proper answer later on in the day). Sometimes it would freeze the entire system and make me hard reboot, others it would just load forever, even if I "killed" all wine tasks.

The internet tells me it's because I don't have wine32. I can tell that's the case since wine --version tells me it's not installed and I should just "install it".

Good luck. Dependency hell. Not only that, it will throw errors during install saying "missing dependency, not attempting to install". Fun.
The way I run Battle.net is by downloading the latest wine-ge-proton that isn't LoL and then placing the extracted parts into /opt/ . I assume you can also use this in Lutris but I've never used Lutris. If you're on a Ubuntu like distro like Linux Mint, you can follow these instructions to install the latest wine into your system. I always install wine-staging. Not something you need with Lutris, but it may help you install the missing dependencies that you think you need. Then I use this command to run Battle.net.

Code:
gamemoderun WINEPREFIX="/home/<USER>/.wine" /opt/GE-Proton/bin/wine "/home/<USER>/.wine/drive_c/Program Files (x86)/Battle.net/Battle.net.exe"

You can make a .desktop shortcut by adding env in front and make sure you have a Path=/home/<USER>/.wine/drive_c/Program Files (x86)/Battle.net in the shortcut as well. Install DXVK as well as VKD3D-Proton and then give it a try. Lutris is far easier, but this is the way I do it.
 
What gpus do you guys use? Perhaps, Linux will grab a bit more marketshare if the gpu issues get ironed out? Nvidia owners are waiting for explicit sync to be finally introduced/established - I'm on the fence for getting a gpu - some of it or part of the reason is Linux use - I'll dual boot but there's mixed reports/reviews of experience depending on the gpu.
 
What gpus do you guys use? Perhaps, Linux will grab a bit more marketshare if the gpu issues get ironed out? Nvidia owners are waiting for explicit sync to be finally introduced/established - I'm on the fence for getting a gpu - some of it or part of the reason is Linux use - I'll dual boot but there's mixed reports/reviews of experience depending on the gpu.
My experience with a 3400G has been mostly good, although it was rough on initial release. Obviously performance is only okay, it's integrated graphics after all.

I have an A380 I'll be testing out in that system soon, will be nice to see how they perform together with either working as the main gpu, the other doing background tasks.
 
Doesn't change the fact that I refuse to use Gnome based on the attitudes of Gnome devs, and I can't use Wayland the way I want under KDE. One of the problems with Wayland is that it leaves everything up to the WM, meaning your Wayland experience isn't identical across WM's.


You have to run the Wine Flatpak along with Lutris, installing Wine via apt under KDE 6 will result in dependency issues due to libpoppler-glib8. But don't use Lutris, it's hot garbage, use Bottles. Bottles is Flatpak and comes with Wine as part of it's Flatpak, so no dependency issues and no need to install Wine seperately. You can run any Windows software under Bottles, it's far easier and there's less risk of Malware deleting your files.
Good god.

While it's super annoying that I need to install things 1400 ways, I love that I'm learning so much from this thread.

I am pretty annoyed that I've run into a distro that won't allow me to properly install software via the terminal.
 
The way I run Battle.net is by downloading the latest wine-ge-proton that isn't LoL and then placing the extracted parts into /opt/ . I assume you can also use this in Lutris but I've never used Lutris. If you're on a Ubuntu like distro like Linux Mint, you can follow these instructions to install the latest wine into your system. I always install wine-staging. Not something you need with Lutris, but it may help you install the missing dependencies that you think you need. Then I use this command to run Battle.net.

Code:
gamemoderun WINEPREFIX="/home/<USER>/.wine" /opt/GE-Proton/bin/wine "/home/<USER>/.wine/drive_c/Program Files (x86)/Battle.net/Battle.net.exe"

You can make a .desktop shortcut by adding env in front and make sure you have a Path=/home/<USER>/.wine/drive_c/Program Files (x86)/Battle.net in the shortcut as well. Install DXVK as well as VKD3D-Proton and then give it a try. Lutris is far easier, but this is the way I do it.
Nah fam, wine-staging doesn't work. Wine-devel doesn't work. Winehq-devel doesn't work. Winehq-staging doesn't work.

I'll just have to follow the steps listed by Mazz. Not sure what they changed with libpoppler, but it's causing nothing but issues with wine.
 
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