PlayStation Sales Double Xbox One’s in 2018, according to EA Data

KamelRed said:
ITT: Xbone owners trying to defend their purchases. :D
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Have no idea what ITT means and have no idea what you mean by defending when most people do not care what you think of their purchases. I do not want any PlayStation systems, at all. In fact, the only PS 2 I owned, the batteries in the wireless controller I owned leaked out, which shows just how often I used it. Were there a lot of games for it? Yes. Did I personally care? No.

Therefore, I purchase what works well for me, unlike those who think I should follow their lead. :rolleyes:
 
Engagement and attachment rate IS a better metric of a consoles success. If 20 million people buy a PS4 just to play God of War then that's a fail. There isn't much money in the hardware, but in the continued purchase of games, digital content, accessories, and online access.
 
ManofGod said:
Have no idea what ITT means and have no idea what you mean by defending when most people do not care what you think of their purchases. I do not want any PlayStation systems, at all. In fact, the only PS 2 I owned, the batteries in the wireless controller I owned leaked out, which shows just how often I used it. Were there a lot of games for it? Yes. Did I personally care? No.

Therefore, I purchase what works well for me, unlike those who think I should follow their lead. :rolleyes:
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I said it tongue-in-cheek (hence the smiley face) but thanks for proving it true, I guess?

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I`v skipped this gen so far , but i`m leaning toward a Xbox One X , i don`t really care much for exclusives from either companies , but the Controller on the Xbox always felt much better than the Dualshock
also Xbox one X performance is better than PS4 Pro (purely hardware wise) , which was the reason i didn`t get the original Xbox one (didn`t want inferior hardware compared to PS4)

Honestly why would i care how many each sold? Wii sold so much more than both Xbox and PS and i couldn`t play it for more than 10 minutes before getting bored.
 
Couldn't give a rats ass who sold more consoles. I have both PS4 and and Xbox One. For the most part they just sit there collecting dust, or playing Blu-Rays. I just prefer playing games, especially VR games on my PC.
 
ManofGod said:
Have no idea what ITT means and have no idea what you mean by defending when most people do not care what you think of their purchases.
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This post isn't one of them. People care because at some point PS4 users will get games like God of War while Xbox users are still waiting for a good Halo game.
I do not want any PlayStation systems, at all. In fact, the only PS 2 I owned, the batteries in the wireless controller I owned leaked out, which shows just how often I used it. Were there a lot of games for it? Yes. Did I personally care? No.
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I don't want any console, hence why I use the PC.
Therefore, I purchase what works well for me, unlike those who think I should follow their lead. :rolleyes:
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Or you could be like me and just use emulators to play those console games on PC.
 
I would have bought an Xbox One if it had any games I actually wanted, oh and if Microsoft hadn't launched it expecting it to replace everything in my living room, treat me like a criminal for playing second hand games, and force an always watching camera and microphone in the form of kinect. Seriously, everything that happened back during that reveal/launch has kept me from purchasing one of those things. The Xbox team needs a far better direction and message on their next hardware launch for me to even give them a second glance.
 
ManofGod said:
Ah, 11 posts in and the obligatory PC build post, that took longer than I thought it would. :D Oh, and do not forget the monitor and operating system cost. (Homes already have a TV but not everyone has a monitor since a lot of people use a laptop instead. Also, at this time, 8GB of ram is at least $90, not $50 and the One X has 12GB of ram.
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If you are building a strictly gaming box, you output to the TV - why would you add a monitor as an additional cost? 12GB of RAM is shared with the system and is only useful if the GPU makes use of it (i.e. high resolution bitmaps). It doesn't.

Steambox was a great idea, but Valve didn't execute on it properly. If there was a major company who sold dedicated gaming PCs with an upgradable videocard slot, marketed it and also offered dedicated servers, PC gaming would actually take off. That's essentially what MS has done, minus the upgradability or keyboard/mouse option.
 
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Sony managed to turn things around even with a bad launch with ps3 to end the gen with them about equal with the 360. Microsoft hasn't really done the same at all when handling the xbox 1, they "invest" in exclusives yet they all seem horribly mismanaged just look at phantom dust, scalebound, fable, crackdown, sea of thieves, master chief collection... ect.
 
I think in the end Microsoft should just be happy they are in this console race at all. 30 Million is more than the original Xbox ever sold, and the Xbox One probably has like two years left this cycle, so it will probably end up selling 40-50 Million consoles. If they have learned their lesson, and recent changes seem to indicate that they have, they should have a decent run in the next generation as well.
 
B770 said:
nintendo should just drop out of the hardware side of things and just make mario for other systems......
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Why? They pretty much have a monopoly on handheld gaming that isn't a smartphone. They are selling more hardware than anyone else is this year, and might just have another wii on their hands with the breakthrough success of Switch. I already bought one for my son, and fucking love it. I'm gonna by one for myself when the modding community progresses a little further.

Nintendo has always leaned on first party software to deliver growth, but unlike the wiiU, the switch is gaining some pretty substantial traction from 3rd party developers. It also might have the best controllers ever created, the joy cons.
 
DukenukemX said:
That didn't matter in the year 2000, or was that 1999 for Japan. Anyway, you're thinking of the PS3 which definitely had the cheapest Blu-Ray player. Sony won that console war because it was Sony. People back then would buy anything with the name Sony on it. If Sony made sneakers, people will kill you for it. Actually people killed for a PS2 the day of the launch. It was a screwed up time period.
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Nope, still would've bought a pair of XJ900s hightops :p , I bought the PS2 because of the included DVD player, that and it was backwards compatible with my PS1 games.
 
Shmee said:
If they have learned their lesson, and recent changes seem to indicate that they have, they should have a decent run in the next generation as well.
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What specifically indicates Microsoft has learned any lesson? I'm genuinely curious. Because they've continued to ignore their firstparty problem, and seemingly made crutching on old 360 games their entire platform strategy.
 
yourgrandma said:
Sony managed to turn things around even with a bad launch with ps3 to end the gen with them about equal with the 360. Microsoft hasn't really done the same at all when handling the xbox 1, they "invest" in exclusives yet they all seem horribly mismanaged just look at phantom dust, scalebound, fable, crackdown, sea of thieves, master chief collection... ect.
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The PS3 was $100 to $200 higher than the 360, which hurt Sony pretty badly. But you would think the Xbox 360's red ring of shit would have done Microsoft in but apparently not. The Blu-Ray player plus the cost of backwards compatibility held the PS3 back.

odditory said:
What specifically indicates Microsoft has learned any lesson? I'm genuinely curious. Because they've continued to ignore their firstparty problem, and seemingly made crutching on old 360 games their entire platform strategy.
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Microsoft learned that their engineers have no idea how the real world works. Right now the Xbox One has no good first party games, but this isn't what killed the Xbone. It was Microsoft pushing the Kinect, no used games, and always online functionality. It's not like the PS4 had any good games for a while either.

God Of War - Which came out now
Horizon Zero Dawn - released last year
Uncharted - In 2016
Bloodborne - 2015

This machine has been out since 2013, so it basically got a couple of years of remasters. But despite the lack of good first party games for a whle, the PS4 sold twice as much from the start. Microsoft just fucked up badly before the machine was released.
 
odditory said:
What specifically indicates Microsoft has learned any lesson? I'm genuinely curious. Because they've continued to ignore their firstparty problem, and seemingly made crutching on old 360 games their entire platform strategy.
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Well they made a console that actually makes games look better than the competition, their first party games are coming to PC, Game Pass is a good value for gamers, and I believe that they are going to spend a lot of money to catch up in the first party area. Phil has kept all his promises so far, so I don't see a reason to doubt him now.
 
Shmee said:
Well they made a console that actually makes games look better than the competition, their first party games are coming to PC, Game Pass is a good value for gamers, and I believe that they are going to spend a lot of money to catch up in the first party area. Phil has kept all his promises so far, so I don't see a reason to doubt him now.
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The Xbox One looks worse than the PS4. First party games are coming to PC cause the games wouldn't be profitable otherwise. Game Pass is only good value if you don't know about Humble Bundle. The only reason Microsoft is don't better things is cause doing terrible things weren't working.

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Shmee said:
Well they made a console that actually makes games look better than the competition, their first party games are coming to PC, Game Pass is a good value for gamers, and I believe that they are going to spend a lot of money to catch up in the first party area. Phil has kept all his promises so far, so I don't see a reason to doubt him now.
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MS’s problem is they are too reactionary in the gaming market. A blind person would have known their XBox One announcement at 2013 E3 was going to get negatively blasted. Still they waited for people to pretty much riot online before they did anything to fix it. It’s been obvious for years they weren’t putting enough effort into first party titles however they are only just now realizing it. Game Pass is good however they launched it with Sea of Thieves which is near death already.
 
DukenukemX said:
The Xbox One looks worse than the PS4. First party games are coming to PC cause the games wouldn't be profitable otherwise. Game Pass is only good value if you don't know about Humble Bundle. The only reason Microsoft is don't better things is cause doing terrible things weren't working.

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Sheez dude, you might actually consider that you are wrong? The person you posted made some excellent and correct points, whether you choose to believe them or not. :rolleyes:

Ocellaris said:
MS’s problem is they are too reactionary in the gaming market. A blind person would have known their XBox One announcement at 2013 E3 was going to get negatively blasted. Still they waited for people to pretty much riot online before they did anything to fix it. It’s been obvious for years they weren’t putting enough effort into first party titles however they are only just now realizing it. Game Pass is good however they launched it with Sea of Thieves which is near death already.
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Coulda, woulda, shoulda is not relevant. What is being done is all that matters and the person you quoted is taking about what is being done. Game pass came out long before Sea of Thieves was even released, not a nice thing to try to fool mother nature.:D
 
The Xbox clearly suffers from lack of worth while titles, it has the worst Halo (imho), a gears of war remake, Forza XD6 and not much else. Couple that with the fact that anything on it also sells on PC and there is a very good reason why PS4 is outselling.

Then you have play anywhere, which is a niche offering if I ever saw one. If you have a PC capable of playing the Xbone games, then you basically are spending $400 to avoid planning your home so your PC can connect to the TV when you want, or you home is such that you just can't (now your really segmented into a minority).

Their *launch sucked as well, for reasons most of us all know and I don't feel like just pulling some meme pick of Microsoft cramming always online, drm, and avoiding the gaming aspect to focus on the 'home theater/cable box replacement aspect' seriously wtf...

I hate them because I want them to do better, the Xbox was a great system until this generation.
 
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DukenukemX said:
The Xbox One looks worse than the PS4. First party games are coming to PC cause the games wouldn't be profitable otherwise. Game Pass is only good value if you don't know about Humble Bundle. The only reason Microsoft is don't better things is cause doing terrible things weren't working.

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I was talking about the Xbox One X. Thanks
 
I'm a card carrying PC Master Race member. But I've also owned a bunch of consoles. Not all of them, and not more than one at a time.

Let's get a rough survey of how many Xbox 360's everyone here has owned. I had FIVE. 2 were purchased, and 3 were RROD replacements. How MS made it out of that scandal without losing a fortune and still the 360 was crowned the winner is a mystery.... or more likely the result of some witchcraft accounting practices. Around 2011 or 2012 I sold the last one I had and bought a used PS3 so I could play the games I couldn't play on 360, the Sony exclusives. 360 had nothing in it's stable that could touch Uncharted/Last of Us/GT, etc etc. Just more Halo/Gears/Forza for 360. OK games but not a branding experience. Those two factors are why I went PS4. The used game thing was just icing on the cake, everyone knew MS would back down.

But hey you know what? PC Gaming has seen a huge resurgence since the days of the 360/PS3. Not just all console ports any more. I think that is why I'm in no hurry to buy another console just for xyz% "better" framerate or quasi 4K resolution. Just to play HD remasters of the same games...

I forgot where I was going with this. Oh right. If Sony or MS want my $$ for the next gen console, it needs to do something that will Blow. My. Mind. And VR ain't it.

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DukenukemX said:
The Xbox One looks worse than the PS4. First party games are coming to PC cause the games wouldn't be profitable otherwise. ]
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This. At least for some of the games like Quantum Break, they were not going to make enough money to be viable. The One has too small of an install base for a AAA game studio to stay in business long term. It certainly is possible, but certainly not advisable. You'd be treading on thin ice. Same reason why pretty much all formerly PC oriented devs port to consoles. Had the One been selling better putting the games on PC likely wouldn't be happening.

Poor marketing, slower specs + higher initial price tag, and lack of great first party titles is holding the system back. The few good exclusives (Halo, Gears of War) have seen better days.
 
XBOX One Is not selling well because they merged the two... XBOX/Windows.

PS4 is dominating this round because it actually has what it was intended to BE..

A Gaming console with exclusive games worth playing.

The XBOX One X Is still your over-rated Cable TV Box that has backward compatibility and next to Nothing for games in the past 3years that made the system worthwhile to own or use.

I have a PS4 500GB (Upgraded to 2TB myself) and a new PS4 PRO.. I am pleased with my purchases because we got games like God of War, The Last of US Part II, Etc.

WHAT does the XBOX really have?? Let downs and terrible exclusive titles.
 
These articles make me laugh. Nearly everyone I know has an Xbox One (I have 2 - a day one and an X). I have 2 friends that have PS4's and that's it. I agree Sony has sold more, but I think the scale is off.
 
Bomber said:
These articles make me laugh. Nearly everyone I know has an Xbox One (I have 2 - a day one and an X). I have 2 friends that have PS4's and that's it. I agree Sony has sold more, but I think the scale is off.
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Here, I am the only one with a xbone, all of my friends and aquantences have the PS4. See how anecdotal evidence does not hold up?
 
  1. Burticus said:
    I'm a card carrying PC Master Race member. But I've also owned a bunch of consoles. Not all of them, and not more than one at a time.

    Let's get a rough survey of how many Xbox 360's everyone here has owned. I had FIVE. 2 were purchased, and 3 were RROD replacements. How MS made it out of that scandal without losing a fortune and still the 360 was crowned the winner is a mystery.... or more likely the result of some witchcraft accounting practices. Around 2011 or 2012 I sold the last one I had and bought a used PS3 so I could play the games I couldn't play on 360, the Sony exclusives. 360 had nothing in it's stable that could touch Uncharted/Last of Us/GT, etc etc. Just more Halo/Gears/Forza for 360. OK games but not a branding experience. Those two factors are why I went PS4. The used game thing was just icing on the cake, everyone knew MS would back down.

    But hey you know what? PC Gaming has seen a huge resurgence since the days of the 360/PS3. Not just all console ports any more. I think that is why I'm in no hurry to buy another console just for xyz% "better" framerate or quasi 4K resolution. Just to play HD remasters of the same games...

    I forgot where I was going with this. Oh right. If Sony or MS want my $$ for the next gen console, it needs to do something that will Blow. My. Mind. And VR ain't it.

    REDACTED :)
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    It did cost them over a billion dollars. I think it also had some effect on the one sales. I don't consider the 360 the winner. It would of been the Wii and then PS3/xbox360. I would call it a push for them two.
 
This is what exclusives can do for you. Microsoft banked everything on people only caring about multiplatform games (+ their 3 franchises) and it hasn't panned out.
My Xbox One X is basically just a fancy TV front-end that also plays 4K Blu-Ray disks. My PS4 gets nearly as much time as my PC thanks to their top notch exclusive games.
 
Aireoth said:
Here, I am the only one with a xbone, all of my friends and aquantences have the PS4. See how anecdotal evidence does not hold up?
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So, what you are saying is next to no one has a gaming PC, got it. :)
 
Megalith said:
We just announced a record start to the year with Xbox Live monthly active users up 13% to 59 million.
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correct me if i am wrong.. but isnt that covering ALL people who any sort of xbox, from the first to the latest, as they need an xbox live account to do anything.. even update it?
 
My PS4 collects dust atm. Xbox One S playing through the older Halo games co-op is a blast and never seems to get old to me.
 
alamox said:
yea and if you add the extra 100$ you can find 2nd hand GPU much faster than the ps4 pro 970-470 even 280X is much faster for like 60$
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I can find used ps4's for half the msrp, saying "well if you buy used!" is not a good argument unless you do it for both sides lol. Fact is you cannot build a gaming computer for the same price as a console and achieve the same quality. I own a xbox one, ps4 and gaming computer and all of them have their uses, my PC obviously looks better gfx wise but the ps4 is simplier to run and easier to play. Most people don't want to be bothered with gaming PC's because despite everything they are still a much larger pain in the ass and unless you have an htpc they will never be more comfortable than a console and a couch.
 
I would say I am surprised, but that isn't true. Everyone I know that has a console has the Playstation. Years ago I picked up an Xbox 360 elite. It sat unopened in a box for about a year until I had to give it away. I made a ton of money fixing them on deployments though.

My will to do this console jumping game anymore is just gone and has been for some time now, which is why I think PC is still the way to go. I will never not have a PC.
 
ManofGod said:
Naw, just the constant negative bashing of Microsoft, as opposed to someone having a negative experience with them, is the fallacy.
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That is still a fallacy, your strawmanning now. Also you always assume that your experience is universal and that those with counter opinions are a minority. Which is contrary to all factual data today.

When as a corporation your product is being outsold, and you change the metric you measure success by, you've failed and are trying to salavage the situation. It's pretty clear to those that are not blinded by fandom why the xbone is falling behind.
 
Aireoth said:
That is still a fallacy, your strawmanning now. Also you always assume that your experience is universal and that those with counter opinions are a minority. Which is contrary to all factual data today.

When as a corporation your product is being outsold, and you change the metric you measure success by, you've failed and are trying to salavage the situation. It's pretty clear to those that are not blinded by fandom why the xbone is falling behind.
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Nah, I just watching you guys running around and chasing your tails. :D I have a One X, 360 and Original and they all play well. (Have not played the OG in a while though.) You do not want to agree with me? Ok, that is on you, guess we are going to have to agree to disagree then.
 
I fix hundreds of consoles. Xboner got PS4 beaten on reliability. PS4s have all kinds of problems and seem more cheaply made. PS4 just got more popular than Xboner because it was cheaper with slightly higher specs that no one could tell a difference on.
 
r-486 said:
I fix hundreds of consoles. Xboner got PS4 beaten on reliability. PS4s have all kinds of problems and seem more cheaply made. PS4 just got more popular than Xboner because it was cheaper with slightly higher specs that no one could tell a difference on.
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You may be seeing more PS4 defects because there's more of them and because each console is, on average, used more.
 
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