Intel CEO Says Company is Going to Take More Risks

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An internal company email sent out to Intel employees tells them the company is going to start taking more risks in the future. However, it specifically mentions AI, autonomous driving, and connected devices and doesn't really mention the desktop cpu market. Only time will tell if the new Intel strategy is going to bring anything to us PC gamers/users.

"We're just inches away from being a 50/50 company, meaning that half our revenue comes from the PC and half from new growth markets," Krzanich wrote. Key partners include cloud infrastructure providers like Amazon, Google and Microsoft.
 
I think they mean they want to diversify. They see the potential for growth sectors since they believe the desktop cpu arena to be dead with little to no growth. I just think that market is quite saturated. Their mobile ventures haven't been too great to begin with, so i'm not quite sure what their doing other than making a PR announcement for their investors who see a bleak future for intel (not really a decline, but a lack of growth).

It's all kind of BS nonsense to fool investors. I don't think intel can really compete anymore, they've gotten way to complacent over the past decade because they didn't have anyone on their ass to compete with. Now they're just taking safe approaches to their iterative cpu releases and delaying new technologies to milk the existing ones. That's why they can't compete with ARM.
 
Jim Kim said:
That's like comparing mashed potatoes and chalk. I doubt you prefer using a 20 year old computer on todays web, but a 20 year old vehicle can still drive you across the country in air conditioned comfort.
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A 20 year old PC will work the same as it did 20 years ago as well. Cars are the same....but the thing is, roads/traffic really haven't changed much. My 386DX still runs the original wing commander the same today as it did when I was a kid.

And in reality even a moderate build from 7-8 years ago runs today's web pages JUST fine even with 4k streaming content. The only thing that has pushed the PC on the consumer side is 3D graphics (and video acceleration) which neither are really strongly tied to hte CPU.

Shit, even Tablets are getting to the point of small incrementalism. It is just now that even the oldest iPads are starting to become annoying to use on current content. My guess is a current gen iPad will keep you happy for the next 10.
 
I do not know about others, but I know our company has put a freeze on buying any new computers, motherboards, or CPU's. We are running Windows 7 Pro, and now that it is not being supported by the new hardware, we just stopped upgrading. We bought a huge inventory of old motherboards, CPU's and memory to repair the stuff if it breaks.

Linux looks to be the only upgrade path available and that is going to take some time.
 
Gigus Fire said:
investors who see a bleak future for intel (not really a decline, but a lack of growth).
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https://www.intc.com/investor-relat...Quarterly-Revenue-of-164-Billion/default.aspx

SANTA CLARA, Calif., January 26, 2017 -- Intel Corporation today reported full-year revenue of $59.4 billion, operating income of $12.9 billion, net income of $10.3 billion and EPS of $2.12. Intel reported non-GAAP revenue of $59.5 billion, operating income of $16.5 billion, net income of $13.2 billion, and EPS of $2.72. The company generated approximately $21.8 billion in cash from operations, paid dividends of $4.9 billion and used $2.6 billion to repurchase 81 million shares of stock.
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Yes, quite the bleak future for them, LOL

this isnt a jab at you, but stupid investors who can see such a company and complain about it being "bleak" :whistle:
 
Do you know how many failed projects Intel does? I see them every day. I've touched too many. They just have this way of being so mediocre when every they try a new project. It's like their motherboards. Always played really conservative and that doesn't work.
 
katanaD said:
https://www.intc.com/investor-relat...Quarterly-Revenue-of-164-Billion/default.aspx




Yes, quite the bleak future for them, LOL

this isnt a jab at you, but stupid investors who can see such a company and complain about it being "bleak" :whistle:
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Profit/revenue isn't the problem, it's growth.
http://financials.morningstar.com/ratios/r.html?t=INTC
Look at the profitability and growth info.

A stock that can deliver constant results is all fine and dandy, but a stock that has growth potential is invested in much more. That's the difference between google and intel.
 
Trepidati0n said:
A 20 year old PC will work the same as it did 20 years ago as well. Cars are the same....but the thing is, roads/traffic really haven't changed much. My 386DX still runs the original wing commander the same today as it did when I was a kid.

And in reality even a moderate build from 7-8 years ago runs today's web pages JUST fine even with 4k streaming content. The only thing that has pushed the PC on the consumer side is 3D graphics (and video acceleration) which neither are really strongly tied to hte CPU.

Shit, even Tablets are getting to the point of small incrementalism. It is just now that even the oldest iPads are starting to become annoying to use on current content. My guess is a current gen iPad will keep you happy for the next 10.
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So i guess we could say its like having a 20 year old car, but every 2-3 years you need to add another person to your commute pool?
 
Jim Kim said:
That's like comparing mashed potatoes and chalk. I doubt you prefer using a 20 year old computer on todays web, but a 20 year old vehicle can still drive you across the country in air conditioned comfort.
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I do use a old shitty tech to browse the web, my Cell phone. It has the speed of a computer from 2003 and it does just fine.

I just don't understand the "Stagnant" comment from Intel. There has been gains in other functionality while some gains in IPC, and people will still complain about not getting perks. But then again maybe intel should release 8 years of shit that was the FX line, so they could release a product that finally compete's with the average so people can see that as progress :)

TL:DR - Catching up is not progress.
 
Gigus Fire said:
I think they mean they want to diversify. They see the potential for growth sectors since they believe the desktop cpu arena to be dead with little to no growth. I just think that market is quite saturated. Their mobile ventures haven't been too great to begin with, so i'm not quite sure what their doing other than making a PR announcement for their investors who see a bleak future for intel (not really a decline, but a lack of growth).

It's all kind of BS nonsense to fool investors. I don't think intel can really compete anymore, they've gotten way to complacent over the past decade because they didn't have anyone on their ass to compete with. Now they're just taking safe approaches to their iterative cpu releases and delaying new technologies to milk the existing ones. That's why they can't compete with ARM.
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Well if they mean graphics, then yes that would be a big leap for them. But Intel has a history of buying up potential tech, only to let them die on the vine.

Any way, Intel has A LOT of legacy overhead associated with x86 CISC. Do you know how many addressing and execution modes there are? That adds a lot of overhead. The decoder (Which preps the instructions before they go down the pipe) is huge. That decoder includes OOE and branch prediction optimizations. The variable size instruction word alone makes the decoder pretty darn more complex then it needs to be.
 
I want my computer to be completely worthless in less than 3 years.
I want to buy a new video game only to find out i dont even meet the min specs.
I want to wonder if i have enough horse power to "software decode".

Shesh i can play 1080p youtube videos on the core2duo my company threw in the trash.

Is it really that hard in this day and age to have intel/amd/microsoft team up and have cold boot to completely loaded desktop in less than 10 seconds in a company environment?

There as been almost zero improvement in user experience since windows 7 pcs came out almost a decade ago. The only improvements have been in encoding/decoding and game graphics improvements.
 
nightanole said:
I want my computer to be completely worthless in less than 3 years.
I want to buy a new video game only to find out i dont even meet the min specs.
I want to wonder if i have enough horse power to "software decode".

Shesh i can play 1080p youtube videos on the core2duo my company threw in the trash.

Is it really that hard in this day and age to have intel/amd/microsoft team up and have cold boot to completely loaded desktop in less than 10 seconds in a company environment?

There as been almost zero improvement in user experience since windows 7 pcs came out almost a decade ago. The only improvements have been in encoding/decoding and game graphics improvements.
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Cold boot to login screen is <10 seconds on my computer using a 3770K @ 4.4 and a SSD.
 
Our Windows 7 PC's boot in less than 15 seconds and that is from mechanical hard drives. If you live with all the defaults Microsoft provided, well then, you (that is a collective "you". not pointing a finger at anyone.....crap, why did I feel the need to say that?!?!?!?) may be part of the problem. Just saying.

But, that aside. The thing you have to remember is as the computers have gotten faster, the amount of software they have to run has increased as well. I have met programmers who think nothing at all about bloating up what they are writting, because the machines are so stupid fast. Yeah,...it is paradigm which is not going to be broken anytime soon as the kids today are now being taught Java, instead of C/C++.

Yeah, that will take care of the bloat. Yep. Uh huh. Sure,
 
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BSmith said:
Our Windows 7 PC's boot in less than 15 seconds and that is from mechanical hard drives. If you live with all the defaults Microsoft provided, well then, you (that is a collective "you". not pointing a finger at anyone.....crap, why did I feel the need to say that?!?!?!?) may be part of the problem. Just saying.

But, that aside. The thing you have to remember is as the computers have gotten faster, the amount of software they havr to run has increased as well. I have met programmers who think nothing at all about bloating up what they are writting, because the machines are so stupid fast. Yeah,...it is paradigm which is not going tobe broken anytime soon as the kids today are now being taught Java, instead of C/C++.

Yeah, that will take care of the bloat. Yep. Uh huh. Sure,
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I agree it's a problem. Kids are taught how to program managed languages and STL's because they are: 1) faster to program, 2) interface with other apps well, 3) and have no pointer issues. But they are far from the most efficient when you are doing a lot of late binding or have a specific problem which requires a unique data structure. Or when you have to access memory quickly. But they are missing the deep intricacies of what makes systems run well and fast.

Sure you can use a standard collection list and override the comparator on the node object class. But when you call sort is it the most efficient way? There are times X/Y, B-Tree, Octals, Radix sorts, bucket sorts, Heap Sorts, or PAULA trees are a lot more efficient, faster, and cleaner than a standard tournament sort which has a typical run time of 1.5n log n
 
gpus will be coming :p i can also see them take another change at mobile hardware (I love my zenfone 2) and they now actually have some compitition in the cpu market so we should se much more action there. it shall be an intresting year or two.
 
DG, you know as well as I do, coding efficiencies decrease as higher languages are deployed. Of course, that is part of it. If you take a low level language and then code to let the compiler make all the decisions for you, then you are giving up efficiencies.

The problem is we are not teching systems programming anymore. All the kids know are application programming. Two very different paradigms. I have seen a ton of code from Microsoft just wreak of an application mentality where it should be a systems mentality.

They can get away with it due to how fast the hardware is today, but it also manifests as only incremental performance gains.

I am an old school systems programmer. The scary part ot that are those programmers who do not know there is a difference, or worse, the ones that think they are system programmers when they really are not.
 
DigitalGriffin said:
Cold boot to login screen is <10 seconds on my computer using a 3770K @ 4.4 and a SSD.
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Notice i said the word "business" pc, not a stream lined win10 with fast boot enabled, and overclocked. My 3930k is running at 4.4 as well, and gets to desktop as quick as yours. Doesnt help that with a basic corp setup, it takes 2-3 min.
 
Uh, no, all my computers are used in the business. They all run Windows 7 Pro and boot to login in 15 seconds, or less.
 
nightanole said:
Notice i said the word "business" pc, not a stream lined win10 with fast boot enabled, and overclocked. My 3930k is running at 4.4 as well, and gets to desktop as quick as yours. Doesnt help that with a basic corp setup, it takes 2-3 min.
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It could be any number of bottlenecks from a mechanical hard drive that's fragged, to a slow network connection that's trying to validate IT policy in your machine. Or IT loaded up tons of services that are marked as "System" level meaning at boot without login. It's not necessarily a CPU fault.
 
I want to work where you guys work. 10 years, 3 companies, same IT bloatware installed.
 
laughable. That's like saying Mcdonalds is going to stop selling burgers and fries.
 
nightanole said:
I want to work where you guys work. 10 years, 3 companies, same IT bloatware installed.
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Well, I have worked my way into the position of being in charge of all that stuff. I am semi-retired now. Working towards full retirement. A few years ago I discovered I was no longer employable as I refused to do to networks what the kids are doing these days.

I am proud of the fact that in over 30 years of admin work, I never lost a bit of data, nor had a computer suffer any virus, malware, spyware, and so on. No server ever hacked either and my last full time job was at a game company.

I know what you mean. I could not work for the guys doing that crap today. I enjoy my downtime too much. :)
 
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nightanole said:
I want to work where you guys work. 10 years, 3 companies, same IT bloatware installed.
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At my current role I have a say in what gets preloaded on computers, and luckily our entire team is in agreement that it should be kept at the absolute audit-required minimum. Between a good selection of tools and a lack of desire to manage a zillion things, we have been complimented by other employees on how timid our setups are. We have some former [big tech co here] folks that are quick to call that out.
 
Glad to hear it...glad AMD finally offered up some competition to get things kicked off again.

I also like to hear it because I own a chunk of Intel stock. They pay good dividends so I plan on buying more in the future and like to hear they're not just gonna sit back and rest on what they've got so far.
 
The corporate structure and flow of Intel is contrary to the production of new, useful ideas. I talk to these people. These engineers and blue collar workers. That is not the place you innovate at. It's suppressed and squashed. It is THE worst place to find innovation.
 
former Intel process engineer here... Even in the fab, they always paid lip service to "risk taking" but the qual process for even the most innocuous process change was prohibitive in both resources and manpower required.

Worse yet, they infect whatever company they acquire with that mentality. Which is why their acquisitions tend to go down in flames.
 
viscountalpha said:
The corporate structure and flow of Intel is contrary to the production of new, useful ideas. I talk to these people. These engineers and blue collar workers. That is not the place you innovate at. It's suppressed and squashed. It is THE worst place to find innovation.
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While I can be seen as an Intel person, I do agree with you here. Though I don't know if there is anything they can really do that would make anyone happy. Damned if you do, damned if you don't....all they can really do is cry on their shit ton of cash.
 
LBJM said:
Well they are releasing the Vegan burger.. It's still a burger just without the meat.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/744403/mcdonalds-going-mcvegan
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I'm not sure how privy you are to the world outside of the United states but McDonalds has offered ALL VEGAN menus for decades in other countries like India where they off everything from their regular menu in a Vegan version. Many of the stores there are split down the middle sanitation wise for vegan / non vegan orders, almost like 2 restaurants at the same location.

http://www.mcdonaldsindia.net/burgers.aspx

I'm trying to decide between the McAloo Tikki or the Maharajah Mac Veg.
 
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