The FCC Has Repealed Net Neutrality

Kongar said:
We were screwed regardless of the decision. Doesn't matter what the laws say - corporations are in control and they'd do whatever they wanted anyway...
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Drain the swamp................... and turn it into sewage...........


The problem is lobbying and "campaign contribution" kind of shit.
if we make lobbying illegal, we will not have any of this.
 
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Lakados said:
Makes me even more proud to be a Canadian
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This will affect us too. The internet doesn't do borders and the USAs slow lanes will be felt all over the world.

The only way that changes is if those big data companies leave the United States in droves, that's not going to happen any time soon. Too expensive.
 
Schtask said:
This could be a problem for GOP folks running for re-election in 2018. Self nuke deploy!
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They Nuked themselves long ago...now its just a civil war from within. The Dems are headed in the same path....they are squabbling among themselves now as well. Its quite comical to me actually.
 
haste. said:
I love that the same people that were complaining that the government created monopolies in telecom are now praising the removal of NN because there will be competition. It makes zero sense. If it is monopolies, where does the competition come from?
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I love how these people think that because ISP's abused existing regulation to their favor that without pesky regulation in place they'll suddenly play nice.
 
Twisted Kidney said:
This will affect us too. The internet doesn't do borders and the USAs slow lanes will be felt all over the world.

The only way that changes is if those big data companies leave the United States in droves, that's not going to happen any time soon. Too expensive.
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From what I've been told by friends who live in Canada it's being added to the NAFTA agreement. That way Canada is protected from our bullshit.
 
Dead Parrot said:
Not all the GOP senators are in lockstep with the FCC. If the Dems can put together a decent piece of legislation, it would only take a few GOP senators to get it passed in the Senate assuming the Dems could pretty much vote together. One advantage of a nearly even split is it only take a couple of members willing to work with the other side to either block or force something through.
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Most legislation requires 60 votes in the Senate.
 
Lakados said:
Makes me even more proud to be a Canadian
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Uh, because companies here have non compete agreements and that's why Shaw stays out west and Rogers out east....zero competition for internet that's why it's about $150 a month for Shaws 150 plan

Then Cell Phones have similar crap and that's why we pay crazy high prices


FTC hasn't done a damn thing but screw Canadians over
 
Dont worry guys, all we need is a few hundred million local neighborhood co-op's to start up to provide the competition Comcast needs. In fact Comcast welcomes this, it's why they fought so hard to repeal NN through deceptive marketing, astroturfing, and flat out identity theft to the FCC of millions of American voter requests.
 
Coffeve said:
I am enjoy the tears from the Marxist shills. Send some to California they have a fire to put out.
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Wow, name-calling and mocking wildfire victims, all in one post (well, actually two, since this wildfire crap apparently didn't get the response you wanted the first time you posted it).

BTW, a "shill" usually expects to be paid. In this case, which side do you suppose has money to burn? The "Marxists"? :rolleyes:
 
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Vermillion said:
and just how will that happen? Please explain. The "last mile" isn't opened up for anybody to use. So how will there be any new competition in say Bethany Beach, DE where my in-laws have a house? Mediacomm has 100% monopoly up there. They are the ONLY TV and Internet provider for that area and they already charge high prices for jack shit.

You can't just drop new fiber and turn on the network...



In Canada the Internet is considered a right so bullshit like this can never happen. They're even adding it to the NAFTA agreement to protect themselves from US company trying to pull this bullshit.
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He said so in his post. In the US, ROWs (for last mile installs) are government regulated, they restrict others from installing cable, as such most places only have one or two providers, local government gets kick backs from this and most public buildings also get free internet/phone/TV as part of this deal as well. Read up on the struggle Google has had pushing it's fiber network, not because of install costs or anything else, but because of government regulation. However Google is one of the few with pockets deep enough and huge legal teams to force their way in. Even still, the legal battles were becoming so expensive and pushing back installs so far that Goolge bought a gigabit wireless tech company to get around installing fiber for the last mile so they didn't have to deal with ROW restrictions. After that Google has been sued by other ISPs, and they also reported Google to regulators in complaints to be investigated and for their wireless installs to be regulated under the ROW restrictions, so they could keep them out of the market.

One of the bigger markets Google pushed into was a Comcast market, where Comcast said updating the network would be to expensive, and the current network was saturated, right as Google finished it's installs Comcast dropped prices across the board and upped speeds for free.


Gasaraki_ said:
Stop living in a dream world. Wireless access doesn't have physical monopolies yet they are way more expensive. Now terrestrial ISPs will just follow wireless ISP and charge you for plans like "30Mb/s, 350GB a month limit but Netflix is free for only $80 a month".
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Wireless doesn't have physical monopolies? Hmm....Maybe I should tell that to the FCC when they sell off the next bit of wireless spectrum they control and regulate. You don't seem to understand how any of that works. Most spectrum is sold off, the last was a little while ago and the bid was won by tmobile, for $8 billion mind you. The rest of the spectrum is not up for use or sale or owned by someone, a good bit is also not useful for cellular use. The FCC quite literary sells monopoly power in these spectrum's where if anyone else dare use it, will be punished by government.
 
So Verizon wants to charge Google/FB for traffic, does anything prevent Google/FB from charging Verizon a connect charge of some sort?
 
I have a feeling Netflix, YouTube, and HBOGO are all going to be streaming horrible tonight.
 
arestavo said:
It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

Back to pre-2015 baby. Now it's time to end government interference for physical internet connections so we can get some real fucking competition for internet access!

Then it won't matter if Comsuck (or equivalent in your area) decides to throttle this, or charge more for that. Just say "FUCK YOU!" and go with a competitor.

HACK THE PLANET! HACK THE PLAAAAAANET!
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Yeah that'll work. Many companies have monopoly in certain areas so you either pay or don't use.
 
mavrocket said:
I was promised this was the end of the interwebs, but they still seem to be working.

WTF?
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Shit so not going to happen over night. It will be rolled out slowly over the next few year. That so people slowly get use to it. If you just ram it up their ass people will revolt.
 
Not that this can make me despise the GOP and the conservatives even more. I hope all ISPs increase their fees 10x starting next year.
 
In threads like this I like to rub it in that we have fixed price unlimited LTE (150mb/s) for less than 30 bucks a month. I'm currently running two LTE connections load balanced to two different providers :)

I could get a gigabit fiber for the same price but unfortunately I live outside the center so the closest fiber runs a mile away.
 
Twisted Kidney said:
This will affect us too. The internet doesn't do borders and the USAs slow lanes will be felt all over the world.

The only way that changes is if those big data companies leave the United States in droves, that's not going to happen any time soon. Too expensive.
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no it won't the slow is in the last mile.

american isps intranet.

imagine comcast is a jail and every one of their customers is a prisoner and netflix is a sexy lady who really needs to fuck.

and she'll pay dearly for access to those prisoners.
 
The only upside I can see to this is if large ISPs start charging extra for fast access to social media like Snapchat, Facebook, Twitter etc. because those are all garbage sites that I’d elect to forego for a lower package price.
 
arestavo said:
Then it won't matter if Comsuck (or equivalent in your area) decides to throttle this, or charge more for that. Just say "FUCK YOU!" and go with a competitor.
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Nothing to stop the competitor from doing the same - if there even is a competitor in your area.

"Comsuck is charging $X more to avoid throttling! We are losing BILLIONS! WE need to charge more, too!"
 
arestavo said:
It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

Back to pre-2015 baby. Now it's time to end government interference for physical internet connections so we can get some real fucking competition for internet access!

Then it won't matter if Comsuck (or equivalent in your area) decides to throttle this, or charge more for that. Just say "FUCK YOU!" and go with a competitor.

HACK THE PLANET! HACK THE PLAAAAAANET!
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I'm not sure if this is serious or sarcasm as I hope it isn't serious. Competition was blocked by ISP's long before NN and if you think that this is going to change that I want to know what you are high on.
 
now internet bill cost you 500-800$ a year, in few years you will have crappy internet for the same price or 2-3 thousand $ a year to have a better one, you just wait :p
hope this never leaves the US, everything is peachy in france, hope it stays the same.
 
Vermillion said:
and just how will that happen? Please explain. The "last mile" isn't opened up for anybody to use. So how will there be any new competition in say Bethany Beach, DE where my in-laws have a house? Mediacomm has 100% monopoly up there. They are the ONLY TV and Internet provider for that area and they already charge high prices for jack shit.

You can't just drop new fiber and turn on the network...



In Canada the Internet is considered a right so bullshit like this can never happen. They're even adding it to the NAFTA agreement to protect themselves from US company trying to pull this bullshit.
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Problem is that most people on here don't actually have the slightest clue as to how anything works. They are sadly a bunch of uniformed people that keep spouting the same bullshit incorrect and you can't get through their head that they are wrong. It is like how coffee stunts your growth. This was a marketing lie back in the 40s created by postum was to why you should drink that instead of coffee at breakfast. Here almost 80 years later people still state that thinking it is fact even though it was just a marketing ploy to get people to drink something different. Same goes with internet, everyone has this pipe dream because they read once a post by somebody that heard from somebody that there is a secret arm of rabbits trained by the government to bury fiber that have been running lines secretly to everyone's house that should give everyone 20 Tbps but Zeboran from Pluto won't let them turn it on or something like that. As you said the last mile isn't open for anyone to use. That is still owned by the person that put it into the ground because there really isn't a way to do that any other way without a location housing electronics at the same physical location for everyone at which point why does company C want to pay to put the same thing at a location that companies A and B have already put in? Otherwise at best Company A offer lit service to everyone and just sends out different VLANs so that traffic on this VLAN goes out to company B, this one goes out to Company C... Cell phone carriers don't run their own network, they just pay the local company to transport their traffic the last mile and get a VLAN or T1s through them to get their traffic through that network. In the case of your in-laws, about the only thing that would help them would be the local telephone company to upgrade their stuff in that area in which case Mediacom would lower their prices to try to get everyone to leave the local phone company. Every time we run fiber somewhere that they are the cable company they promote the hell out of that area to get people to take their service and not our fiber. However in their case even if the local telco made a good bid for a second option you would still need to go a different route for TV.

I wish it was as simple as dropping new fiber and turning on a network. I would get far more projects done much faster if i didn't have to worry about time and cost.
 
arestavo said:
It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

Back to pre-2015 baby. Now it's time to end government interference for physical internet connections so we can get some real fucking competition for internet access!

Then it won't matter if Comsuck (or equivalent in your area) decides to throttle this, or charge more for that. Just say "FUCK YOU!" and go with a competitor.

HACK THE PLANET! HACK THE PLAAAAAANET!
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What competitor? I have a cable provider who offers 150MBit for $100. Or, I have a DSL provider which offers 45MBit for $120. My situation is not unique, either.

Infrastructure create monopolies. This is why your power company is regulated.
 
vegeta535 said:
I honestly don't know why you blame either side. This shit would of past no matter which side controlled the government. All elections do is let corporation know who to make the check out too.
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So you're saying that the "other side" would have repealed their own legislation only a couple years after they passed it? :confused:
 
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