The Vega Pre-Order Thread

Why will you pre-order AMD Vega?

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Archaea said:
ShopBLT reseller rating:
http://resellerratings.com/store/Bottom_Line_Telecommunications_15
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Not too bad all-in-all. I know it is somewhat of a gamble, but I pulled the trigger anyway.

Are you going to pre-order? What are your thoughts about what I said regarding the bundles (i.e., having to purchase everything at once vs. getting coupon codes for later)? I have no evidence that this will be the case, but it does make sense. Now if it was advertised as a mail-in rebate from AMD, that'd be different. But how can they possibly have universal coupon codes that work across so many different retailers' systems (both online and B&M)? That's why I think the bundles will be sold as a single SKU, where everything has to be bought at the same time. Just a guess on my part, though.
 
I think that is illegal because that is extortion. Certainly if that is what they are doing any non-member company could easily sue them in court for damages, lost sales, and they would win, again if that is what they are really doing. There would also be criminal proceedings as well and it would be federal as the internet crosses state lines. To be clear this isn't a first amendment issue, this is simple extortion as in pay membership or we hurt your business.
 
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CocaColaFizz said:
Not too bad all-in-all. I know it is somewhat of a gamble, but I pulled the trigger anyway.

Are you going to pre-order? What are your thoughts about what I said regarding the bundles (i.e., having to purchase everything at once vs. getting coupon codes for later)? I have no evidence that this will be the case, but it does make sense. Now if it was advertised as a mail-in rebate from AMD, that'd be different. But how can they possibly have universal coupon codes that work across so many different retailers' systems (both online and B&M)? That's why I think the bundles will be sold as a single SKU, where everything has to be bought at the same time. Just a guess on my part, though.
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You may very well be right about 3rd party cards not having the bundle offering. I think if you are okay with the price you paid and don't expect any of the coupons, then you are probably okay. It looks like ShopBTL has been open for like 20+ years and is probably reliable. But they are getting you a bit on price - especially if these are not bundle prices. I think the only coupon you are likely to get is potentially the game coupons if they come bundled in the box. My friend called ShopBTL today and asked about the coupons, but just got dropped to voicemail. He called Gigabyte and asked about the coupons and they said they didn't know and would have a marketer salesperson call him back. When the marketer/salesperson called him back they said they didn't actually know how AMD would be delivering the coupons for the games or otherwise. My buddy and I are flabbergasted how this isn't more readily available information five days before a launch.

So ultimately - if you are okay with the Shop BTL card, and are okay with the price, and have the realistic expectation you might not get any coupons for the price you pay - then I'd guess you'll get your product after a couple week wait as it states. Personally I'm holding out for a more certain pre-order where the coupons are included because I plan to help offset the cost of the card by selling the game codes. Everything I've read agrees that you won't be able to sell the monitor or ryzen coupon - because they are only available at the time of purchase - but the game card coupons -- I'm not sure how they would lock down the resell ability of those codes.
 
are the two games really worth $100 in resale?

BTW, pretty sure coupons are going to be something arrange with certain retailers only. I highly doubt ShopBTL will be one of them and especially with pre-orders. Oh and they are totally legit retailer, have bought from them many times no probs.
 
Archaea said:
You may very well be right about 3rd party cards not having the bundle offering. I think if you are okay with the price you paid and don't expect any of the coupons, then you are probably okay. It looks like ShopBTL has been open for like 20+ years and is probably reliable. But they are getting you a bit on price - especially if these are not bundle prices. I think the only coupon you are likely to get is potentially the game coupons if they come bundled in the box. My friend called ShopBTL today and asked about the coupons, but just got dropped to voicemail. He called Gigabyte and asked about the coupons and they said they didn't know and would have a marketer salesperson call him back. When the marketer/salesperson called him back they said they didn't actually know how AMD would be delivering the coupons for the games or otherwise. My buddy and I are flabbergasted how this isn't more readily available information five days before a launch.

So ultimately - if you are okay with the Shop BTL card, and are okay with the price, and have the realistic expectation you might not get any coupons for the price you pay - then I'd guess you'll get your product after a couple week wait as it states. Personally I'm holding out for a more certain pre-order where the coupons are included because I plan to help offset the cost of the card by selling the game codes. Everything I've read agrees that you won't be able to sell the monitor or ryzen coupon - because they are only available at the time of purchase - but the game card coupons -- I'm not sure how they would lock down the resell ability of those codes.
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Thanks for all that input and info. I too am surprised to see that we are just a few days from launch and there is no real info on the "when, where and how" of the bundle deals. I know I took a risk by pre-ordering and overpaying from ShopBTL. It's an insurance policy against there being no stock or missing out on the package deals. Even if I get the bundle I want and it's smooth sailing at launch, I know I will be able to sell the Gigabyte one (once it arrives). I might not get my purchase price back, but I'll recoup most of it I'm sure (especially since it will be unopened retail packaging).

One thing I thought of is this: Since the Asus ROG Crosshair VI Extreme is one of the Mobos eligible for the bundle, and IF I am right that you have to buy all the components together to get the deal, then it stands to reason that only retailers that are selling that particular Mobo will be offering the bundled deals at launch. Newegg has them listed (but obviously out of stock). They also sell the Samsung monitor and the two games (plus the CPUs)...so clearly that is a tell that they will have the bundle deal.
 
cpuspeed said:
I think that is illegal because that is extortion. Certainly if that is what they are doing any non-member company could easily sue them in court for damages, lost sales, and they would win, again if that is what they are really doing. There would also be criminal proceedings as well and it would be federal as the internet crosses state lines. To be clear this isn't a first amendment issue, this is simple extortion as in pay membership or we hurt your business.
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Well check it out, check the name of any site in Europe like Overclockers.co.uk or Scan.co.uk Both sites have great reputations for customer service are two of the biggest online retailers in Europe, look at their ratings on reseller ratings. Terrible. Is it a coincidence that neither company has ever paid for membership to that site? So, is it a scam? extortion? I don't know. I am sure they got themselves covered by posting positive reviews for some sites that aren't members.
 
reaper12 said:
Well check it out, check the name of any site in Europe like Overclockers.co.uk or Scan.co.uk Both sites have great reputations for customer service are two of the biggest online retailers in Europe, look at their ratings on reseller ratings. Terrible. Is it a coincidence that neither company has ever paid for membership to that site? So, is it a scam? extortion? I don't know. I am sure they got themselves covered by posting positive reviews for some sites that aren't members.
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Don't think that counts as evidence. I mean I did a quick google search and can find forum postings of people upset with Overclockers customer service. Even more find them overpriced, so maybe the rating is legit. The only thing I know about them is the mafia meme they chose for their accounts on their own forum to be characters from Godfather. Not exactly expiring confidence in their business to me as a potential customer.
 
cpuspeed said:
Don't think that counts as evidence. I mean I did a quick google search and can find forum postings of people upset with Overclockers customer service. Even more find them overpriced, so maybe the rating is legit. The only thing I know about them is the mafia meme they chose for their accounts on their own forum to be characters from Godfather. Not exactly expiring confidence in their business to me as a potential customer.
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Ok.. Sites with membership, loads of reviews, mostly positive, sites without membership not many reviews and mostly negative. You would trust that site, with 129 reviews and yet you ignore the 6000+ google reviews that are positive and the 2100 trust pilot reviews that are also positive.

Do a quick google search on any big consumer website, Amazon, New Egg, etc and you will find lots of customer complaints. People like to complain.

And your last line, about the Godfather titles for forum members, REally? lol.
 
reaper12 said:
haha I actually decided to look for reviews of Reseller ratings.



http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports...-fake-and-it-misguides-customer-intern-936045

https://www.complaintsboard.com/bycompany/resellerratingscom-a294848.html

Not looking so good and that's just the first few sites. There are more!!
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Then report them to the US Attorneys office. I don't have any more time to look at your links and frankly I could care less I don't have any interest to defend in any of this.
 
SickBeast said:
Yeah that's about the position I'm in also, on a much smaller scale. I thinking about setting up a dual Vega rig. I just don't trust the rumors yet. They sound too good to be true. The Vega FE cards only get 30mh/s.
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From what I skimmed, the rumored hashrate is based on what hacked firmware could do for Vega, not necessarily what factory firmware will do.
 
VIC-20 said:
From what I skimmed, the rumored hashrate is based on what hacked firmware could do for Vega, not necessarily what factory firmware will do.
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Where'd you read that? Both rumors I read said it was a driver update that did it?
 
Archaea said:
Where'd you read that? Both rumors I read said it was a driver update that did it?
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If you read down the page a bit, an AMD gaming rep describes "private" hashrates by manipulating OpenCL and hacking firmware. Nothing specific, but they seem to be implying that very high hashrates can be achieved.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/vega-ethereum-mining-performance-rumor,35160.html
Archaea said:
Where'd you read that? Both rumors I read said it was a driver update that did it?
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VIC-20 said:
If you read down the page a bit, an AMD gaming rep describes "private" hashrates by manipulating OpenCL and hacking firmware. Nothing specific, but they seem to be implying that very high hashrates can be achieved.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/vega-ethereum-mining-performance-rumor,35160.html
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Sounds like those hash rates then will be for the large farming operations who keep the mods for themselves rather than share and drive up hash rates that would lower their profits.
 
cpuspeed said:
Sounds like those hash rates then will be for the large farming operations who keep the mods for themselves rather than share and drive up hash rates that would lower their profits.
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the article at Tomshardware contradicts itself because just a few paragraphs down it says that a new driver update from AMD is what doubled the hashrate.

clearly - nobody really knows yet.
 
Archaea said:
the article at Tomshardware contradicts itself because just a few paragraphs down it says that a new driver update from AMD is what doubled the hashrate.

clearly - nobody really knows yet.
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The article has dates to the updates, most recent up top so the quote from the AMD VP is as good as it gets till actual release and review. The quote seems to be from some presentation and may be the source of all the other sources from others that were there for the presentation.
 
cpuspeed said:
The article has dates to the updates, most recent up top so the quote from the AMD VP is as good as it gets till actual release and review. The quote seems to be from some presentation and may be the source of all the other sources from others that were there for the presentation.
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ah --

well color me surprised if the fireware updates are available in the mining community forums, even posted as youtube tutorials after even just a few days of release.

RX470, 480, 570, 580 firware updates, and memory strap suggestions are out there in abundance. Probably out there for Fury cards too.

Also the tomshardware article compares to the Fury to the 1070. The furys are significantly faster at mining than the 1070. My Fury X were low 30's stock. 1070 is low/mid 20's stock. 1080TI is low 30's stock and a wee bit better than Fury X stock.
 
Archaea said:
ah --

well color me surprised if the fireware updates are available in the mining community forums, even posted as youtube tutorials after even just a few days of release.

RX470, 480, 570, 580 firware updates, and memory strap suggestions are out there in abundance. Probably out there for Fury cards too.

Also the tomshardware article compares to the Fury to the 1070. The furys are significantly faster at mining than the 1070. My Fury X were low 30's stock. 1070 is low/mid 20's stock. 1080TI is low 30's stock and a wee bit better than Fury X stock.
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Well, he does go on about public and private hash rates and the private ones being "whoa". community mining forums must be considered public and going from ~25mh/s to ~30mh/s is not "whoa" to me and that's what you get with those memory strap mods. Going 2x, or 3x hash rate is "whoa" to me so I think the 70-100mh/s is a private rate that is not going to be shared.

I've read people getting 31-32mh/s with 1070 using recent update to claymore or etheminer (think it was the later that had update algorithm with input from Nvidia that speed up rates and then claymore followed). You should be able to get mid 30s with your 1080ti, assuming you mining ETH which might not be the most profitable to mine with that card anyways.

edit: reading the VP quote again, it seems clear that huge increases in hash rate are NOT going to come from an AMD driver update, assuming quote is genuine and true. He basically says in order to do that you have to break something that you're not going to be using and AMD can't do that as they have to enable all features to work. None of the public community mods that I know of required installation of or have special tweaked driver. There is a leaked driver that fixes DAG epoch issue but that's not huge hash increase and it doesn't break anything like gaming.
 
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Archaea said:
ah --

well color me surprised if the fireware updates are available in the mining community forums, even posted as youtube tutorials after even just a few days of release.

RX470, 480, 570, 580 firware updates, and memory strap suggestions are out there in abundance. Probably out there for Fury cards too.

Also the tomshardware article compares to the Fury to the 1070. The furys are significantly faster at mining than the 1070. My Fury X were low 30's stock. 1070 is low/mid 20's stock. 1080TI is low 30's stock and a wee bit better than Fury X stock.
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you clearly don't have a 1070 I guess. I am mining at 32mh just with memory overclock. They startout in the mid to high 20s, not low 20s
 
cpuspeed said:
Well, he does go on about public and private hash rates and the private ones being "whoa". community mining forums must be considered public and going from ~25mh/s to ~30mh/s is not "whoa" to me and that's what you get with those memory strap mods. Going 2x, or 3x hash rate is "whoa" to me so I think the 70-100mh/s is a private rate that is not going to be shared.

I've read people getting 31-32mh/s with 1070 using recent update to claymore or etheminer (think it was the later that had update algorithm with input from Nvidia that speed up rates and then claymore followed). You should be able to get mid 30s with your 1080ti, assuming you mining ETH which might not be the most profitable to mine with that card anyways.
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My four 1080ti I have mining are just assigned to nicehash duty. They mine whatever nicehash thinks is most profitable -- which thankfully is trending back up. I've not tried to modify the cards. I simply undervolt, and overclock them.
NKD said:
you clearly don't have a 1070 I guess. I am mining at 32mh just with memory overclock. They startout in the mid to high 20s, not low 20s
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touche.

Did that hashrate on the 1070 go up significantly over the last few months? I thought it was lower than what nicehash calc is currently showing?
 
cpuspeed said:
Then report them to the US Attorneys office. I don't have any more time to look at your links and frankly I could care less I don't have any interest to defend in any of this.
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I guess one you have a stand point until you change it...you believe yourself what you just wrote...your posts (actions) contradicts your words...
 
Factum said:
I guess one you have a stand point until you change it...you believe yourself what you just wrote...your posts (actions) contradicts your words...
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wtf are you talking about? You make no sense. What stand point did I change or contradict?
 
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AMD is trying to sell Radeon RX Vega 64 at a higher price

Retailers are given final pricing from distributors, but they fail to see parts for 499 US dollars.

AMD Radeon RX Vega 64, where’s MSRP?
From Europe to Asia, retailers are told that Vega 64 will be sold at higher price than first advertised. It appears that AMD is trying to sell both blower type cards for the same price, which is 599 USD.

I normally do not post about graphics card prices before they are confirmed, but we have at least 4 independent sources claiming that there is little to no difference in pricing for black and limited editions of Vega 64.

Take a look at the following chart, this is a compiled list of all pricing information that we saw or were told about. Don’t look at the prices as if they were final, look at the trend where black blower cards are offered at the same price as limited edition.

This is not the first time the product is offered at a higher price than first advertised. This usually happens for preorders or shortly after launch. However few shops will still offer Vega 64 at official suggested price, just so AMD can say it was sold for 499 USD.

Source: https://videocardz.com/71776/amd-is-trying-to-sell-radeon-rx-vega-64-at-a-higher-price
 
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Class action lawsuit inbound...?!? ;^p
 
If its sold at a higher price, the additional margin will go to the reseller. AMD is probably not locking down on MSRP and telling the resellers to price as they see fit due to the mining craze.
 
Archaea said:
My four 1080ti I have mining are just assigned to nicehash duty. They mine whatever nicehash thinks is most profitable -- which thankfully is trending back up. I've not tried to modify the cards. I simply undervolt, and overclock them.

touche.

Did that hashrate on the 1070 go up significantly over the last few months? I thought it was lower than what nicehash calc is currently showing?
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No there was a few mh speed increase on claymore. About 1-1.5 mh. Per card.
 
Boil said:
SEP = Street Estimated Price...?!?
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probably but it clearly says new gpu king under $500 without any asterisk. AMD needs to reissue with "The New GPU King Under STREET ESTIMATED $500". But even using street estimated is bullshit when you are the one who can set price and usually street price is under MSRP but we know that is not happening in current markets.
 
I just want to pick up a RX Vega 56 for SEP $399USD + taxes...
 
Nah, aside from some occasional gaming, the Vega will mainly be pumping out Modo & Unreal Engine stuff...

But maybe running hash while I sleep (unless a render needs to run)...?!? ;^p
 
capnstabn said:
AMD cards will make you ambitious.....ambition turns to greed.....greed turns into ethereum mining.
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"There's a game out there, and the stakes are high. And the guy who runs it figures the averages all day long and all night long. Once in a while he lets you steal a pot. But if you stay in the game long enough, you've got to lose. And once you've lost there's no way back, no way at all".
 
SighTurtle said:
http://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3016-amd-moves-vega-56-embargo-forward-prioritizes-over-64

tldr:

1. GN was not given Vega samples after they published a Threadripper article and video on thermals. More info in the link.
2. RX Vega 56 review embargo date is now August 14th. Launch date still Early September.
3. Vega 56 is shipping now, with AMD asking reviewers to prioritize 56 over 64. 64 shipped a few days ago. (shipping to reviewers that is)
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56 unlocks to a 64......64=64Mh/s......reviewers also receive pcie risers/1500w PSUs......reviewers release info saying 56=1050ti......reviewers pre-order entire vega stock.
 
Launch date still the same but embargo dates pushed up, and 56 pushed over 64. Drivers finished? I would suggest Volta launch but they aren't moving launch date.....I can't think of anything else that would make AMD rush out these Vega 56 cards for reviews, maybe smoking up the rivers for Vega 64? But that won't matter. Maybe GamerNexus is incorrect and Vega 56 was always gonna be reviewed by the 14th but since their NDA breaking on August 8th, they got cut out of the loop. Still, a quick ring to someone with the cards would provide the info quickly.

RX 480 type of situation I think, 1060 6GB being outclassed by a RX 480, 56 over 1070, but 64 vs 1080 neck and neck. (Damn mining messed up pricing, I feel like RX 580/480 were higher msrp but still outclassed 1060 6GB in a performance/value ratio, but my memory is faulty.)

Edit: 64 vs 1080 not neck and neck. Most likely a loss.
 
I'd buy a 56 for $400 to mess with, no hesitation. Probably not much faster than my 1070 however I could use something different to try out.
 
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