'No Man's Sky' Is Being Investigated For False Advertising

Always wait a year before buying a game.

They are cheaper, you dont buy the bad ones by mistake and usually they are fixed by then.
 
ir0nw0lf said:
Ever play Daikatana? :D
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I bought the physical game around the year 2000 from Half-Price Books, still in the shrink wrap, for $5, then bought it again several years ago from GOG. Its advertising campaign made the game more entertaining for me.

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We should give him the benefit of the doubt. All the things he said were in the game might have been in the game when he said it. They could have taken it out because it wasn't fun, it didn't work right, it used too many resources, or they had to temporarily remove it to release the game. I think this is bound to happen when game developers are feeding the social media monsters.
 
Rvenger said:
I knew this game was going to be a real winner when I saw the puny 2.6gb file size steam downloaded for the ENTIRE game.
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Procedural is the keyword for that. Basically instead of storing data you store a small generate that generates the data. Kinda like the difference between how a game render 3D vs having it all as an raw video file.
or a midi file vs an an audio file. The backside of it is that you are going to lack some unique details.
You can make a small shooter in 96kb using procedural because you don't have store near the amount of raw data ( like texture).
 
BreezeDM said:
We should give him the benefit of the doubt. All the things he said were in the game might have been in the game when he said it. They could have taken it out because it wasn't fun, it didn't work right, it used too many resources, or they had to temporarily remove it to release the game. I think this is bound to happen when game developers are feeding the social media monsters.
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Then you need to come out and say that before release. They didn't, though, because they wanted to continue to dupe people for pre-orders up until release.

Even after release he would not give a straight answer about MP.
 
HeavensCloud said:
Leave the poor bastards alone. Everyone that felt they were ripped off or mislead got their money back, the rest enjoyed their game. No one lost their life savings over this.
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Actually I've read that many people took an hour to even get the game working on their PC and then by the time they played another hour or 2, it was past the refund time limit on Steam. Steam did not refund these people in those cases most of the time.
 
I doubt this lawsuit will go anywhere. We already tried the false advertising thing with Aliens Colonial Marines and that game was just as blatant (if not worse) in its lies and that lawsuit was still dropped. And worse now that scumbag Randy Pitchfork is being smug about it every chance he gets. (Seriously, screw that guy and Gearbox).
 
Kinsaras said:
Has anyone checked Peter Molyneux? His promises on Fable alone don't even touch NMS.
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Heresy! According to the faithful haters here, Sean Murray is a worse liar than Benedict Arnold, Bernie Madoff and Richard Nixon combined.
 
evilsofa said:
Heresy! According to the faithful haters here, Sean Murray is a worse liar than Benedict Arnold, Bernie Madoff and Richard Nixon combined.
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Also he gets a pass because his games were at least decent. Black and White was actually really good but it also revealed that the man likes to talk big so nobody took his words that seriously anymore.
 
But they kept shouting, “Crucify him! Crucify him!”
“Why? What crime has this man committed? I have found in him no grounds for the death penalty. Therefore I will have him punished and then release him.”
But with loud shouts they insistently demanded that he be crucified, and their shouts prevailed.
 
This is a very casual observation, but mobile games tend to have fancy trailers for their simplistic games, which is sort of understandable. Is this a case of mobile style ads inching over into the PC space?
 
xorbe said:
This is a very casual observation, but mobile games tend to have fancy trailers for their simplistic games, which is sort of understandable. Is this a case of mobile style ads inching over into the PC space?
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This ain't [C]asual forum.
 
You do have to punish those who do crimes or else people will see how profitable it is to do the same thing and how light the punishment was and will do the same thing.
If he broke laws, he should be investigated and charged. That's how Law and Order works.
 
xorbe said:
This is a very casual observation, but mobile games tend to have fancy trailers for their simplistic games, which is sort of understandable. Is this a case of mobile style ads inching over into the PC space?
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I feel it has always been like this. For decades movie trailers have featured a surprising amount of content that was cut from theatrical releases. Why not games?
 
chaos4u said:
whats interesting about this is that no one bothered to investigate Spore, Duke nuke em, star wars galaxies, oblivion , or any number of games that failed to deliver what was promised on release.

so why now and why these guys , I Know there is bigger pockets to go after, less they are afraid of the bigger lawers that bigger pockets usually carry.
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I think the biggest reason is the market as a whole is finally getting tired of this happening regularly. Sure, there have been plenty of other cases similiar, and even some worse ones, much worse ones, and it's slowly been building up this anger and hatred towards this type of developer and the culture that the developers and publishers have created in the gaming market.

People are starting to lash out when this stuff happens. No Man's Sky, and by extension, Murray, is just the wrong dev at the wrong time. If this had happened a year ago, people would've still been angry, but I don't think the backlash would've been as bad.
 
dr_drift said:
Biggest disappointment of your life? Holy shit, I want your life!
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It's easy to not get disappointed by anything when you live in mommy's basement and play video games for 18 hours a day.
 
BreezeDM said:
We should give him the benefit of the doubt. All the things he said were in the game might have been in the game when he said it. They could have taken it out because it wasn't fun, it didn't work right, it used too many resources, or they had to temporarily remove it to release the game. I think this is bound to happen when game developers are feeding the social media monsters.
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How about No.

You're right that features have been pulled from games, and changes have been made right up until the last minute. The problem is that not only were the features not included, but Sean Murray doubled down on the BS right up until and even AFTER the launch about things that weren't simply minor details, like the multiplayer aspect being completely non-existent. This sort of backlash should happen when consumers get lied to like this, and the fact that it hasn't happened before over games like Spore, makes no difference since it needs to start happening now. The stuff about animals on planets eating eachother is minor, the stuff about factions and space combat is major, the multiplayer aspect that was repeatedly promised was integral to the experience that customers were expecting. Had they not lied about it repeatedly, customers would have had no reason to come up with such an expectation. This is not the same as complaining about how vague Sean Murray was about the "end-game" and people finding out that it was essentially a menu screen, couple lines of dialogue, some lame music, and then a restart.
 
I've played the game, and I actually like it. It's something to take my mind off my day. That's all games should be. Something to take your mind off your day. Some do it better than others, and the enjoyment factor depends on the individuals tastes.
I do agree they promised too much and didn't deliver. But if you take that away, the game is pretty enjoyable as it is!
 
eviltone said:
I've played the game, and I actually like it. It's something to take my mind off my day. That's all games should be. Something to take your mind off your day. Some do it better than others, and the enjoyment factor depends on the individuals tastes.
I do agree they promised too much and didn't deliver. But if you take that away, the game is pretty enjoyable as it is!
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Wether or not you enjoyed the game, legions of other gamers did not, and everyone has unique opinions on what they like in a videogame so your point is moot.
 
joseardzm said:
So... I really havent had time to get into this false advertising... end of the line:. is this a good game or not?
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for about 2 hours yeah, then it gets old and VERY repetitive. And dont get me started on the end game when you do get to the center of the galaxy, that was a giant let down and im glad i just youtubed the ending instead of wasting hours upon hours.
 
HeavensCloud said:
I feel it has always been like this. For decades movie trailers have featured a surprising amount of content that was cut from theatrical releases. Why not games?
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Pixar does this and for a great reason -- you haven't seen any of the movie yet when you go to see the movie, just the character references and setting. Games ... you kinda wanna know what you are buying.
 
BreezeDM said:
We should give him the benefit of the doubt. All the things he said were in the game might have been in the game when he said it. They could have taken it out because it wasn't fun, it didn't work right, it used too many resources, or they had to temporarily remove it to release the game. I think this is bound to happen when game developers are feeding the social media monsters.
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The biggest issue is that they went quiet after everything happen. Had they came out and explained that they had to change things because of X, not everyone would have been happy although a good percent would have probably been content knowing something. A simple, yeah we have to work more on these features would have at least let people know what is coming. Instead you get the morning of the release yeah.. about that free DLC, we think we will have to pay to add things into the game. Then once people get the game they realize it is missing a lot of what they were told would be there which means if it is fixed you might have to pay for that. To make matters worse they posted 27 days ago saying that a "community/support management team has been brought on board" and yet this team has done nothing to talk to the player that are pissed off.
 
animals do interact with each other in the final version.
twice i saw a predator attack and kill a prey.
but if the player is closer, all predators go for the new snack on menu.
 
SvenBent said:
Procedural is the keyword for that. Basically instead of storing data you store a small generate that generates the data. Kinda like the difference between how a game render 3D vs having it all as an raw video file.
or a midi file vs an an audio file. The backside of it is that you are going to lack some unique details.
You can make a small shooter in 96kb using procedural because you don't have store near the amount of raw data ( like texture).
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I understand that part but the game is missing over half of the advertised features. Those have to be coded which would increase the file size. 2.6gb is really small.
 
Rvenger said:
I understand that part but the game is missing over half of the advertised features. Those have to be coded which would increase the file size. 2.6gb is really small.
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That doesn't meant it couln'dt be done withing a near 2.6g budget. Your claim was that you knew something was up due to the size. The big different between this and other games' size, are not the missing features ( code takes very little space) but because it doesn't have to store raw data.

Again a simple 3D FPS shooter engine kan be made in less than 96kbytes. I think. they would be able to put in the missing features and still stay near the 2.6GB.
Unless of cause you would totally have change you mind if you saw 2.8 GB....

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if we take the developers say that ter 96kbyte procedural shooter would take up around 200 to 300mb by conventional ways. that's a scaling ratio of 1:2133 to 1:3200
Lets go low and say 1:2000

You said 2.6gb. Scaled with 1:2000 = 5.2TB

So you are saying since you know how procedural works ( you own claim). The 2.6GB data that "equals" 5.2TB on a conventional handling, is to small to have those features?

Ofcause this comparison is pretty butched as we cannot make a comparison like this. But it still illustrates you argument of 2.6GB being to small to have the mentioned features is pretty invalid.
 
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If you want a free, single player, real+procedural universe to fly around in check out Space Engine. It's quite good. It's fun to hop around looking for life and unique places.
 
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