Im stuck with Freesync and it sucks....suggestions?

yamaguchi441 said:
I upgraded my monitor not long ago to the BenQ xl2430t and rocking an ancient ASUS 4970 (R9 280X equivalent I believe) and I want a GTX 1070 so bad. Even though I am stuck with freesync im tempted to still just bite the bullet.

Ive done so much research and nothing comes close to the 1070 unless you crossfire two RX 480's which I am definitely not doing.

Am I fresh out of options? The R9 Fury X is waaay more than the 1070 and still isnt even as powerful. I hate the common consensus of "just wait until Q4" or "wait until vega comes" which there is no release date for.

Am I screwed I really want to upgrade and the GTX 1070 seems like such a kick ass card light years better in price and performance than what AMD is offering.

Suggestions?
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where do you live?


fury x is retailing for 400 dollars in the US

XFX R9-FURY-4QFA RADEON R9 FURY X 4GB HBM Liquid Cooled 4096-Bit PCI Express 3.0 CrossFireX Support Video Card-Newegg.com


the lowest 1070 is...

429 on newegg

GeForce GTX 1070, Desktop Graphics Cards, Video Cards & Video Devices, Components - Newegg.com


Is the fury x as fast as a 1070? no, but it's still very fast, faster in dx12/vulkan games, and allows you to keep using freesync.

But maybe you live somewhere overseas with inflated non US pricing.
 
US pricing tend to be directly controlled (at least better) than some parts of the world. IE if a manufacturer says "cut the price", they will cut the price.

Others do not, depending on region. Inflated prices tend not to matter, since prices usually get inflated equally across all cards, it's the lack of price cuts that hurt the most, especially AMD.
 
Get 1070 and a Gsync monitor. The dell one is cheap and very decent for a TN panel.
 
chenw said:
US pricing tend to be directly controlled (at least better) than some parts of the world. IE if a manufacturer says "cut the price", they will cut the price.

Others do not, depending on region. Inflated prices tend not to matter, since prices usually get inflated equally across all cards, it's the lack of price cuts that hurt the most, especially AMD.
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Which is why I asked where he lived, if he lives in the US, the fury x is both a cheaper and more viable option than the 1070 via the ability to keep the freesync display and still get a card that is good enough to tide him over until vega hits.
 
KickAssCop said:
Get 1070 and a Gsync monitor. The dell one is cheap and very decent for a TN panel.
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For the OP, the monitor he is referring to is Dell S2716DG

Essentially a Dell branded PG278Q, except comes with an HDMI port and probably better QC and customer support than most other equivalent monitors.

tybert7 said:
Which is why I asked where he lived, if he lives in the US, the fury x is both a cheaper and more viable option than the 1070 via the ability to keep the freesync display and still get a card that is good enough to tide him over until vega hits.
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Sometimes I do envy US pricing. Fury X are still being sold at its original price-ish (currently bang in the middle of 1080 and 1070).
 
Alright, correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't found anywhere that states that the xl2430t is FreeSync compatible
 
Curl said:
Alright, correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't found anywhere that states that the xl2430t is FreeSync compatible
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Just did some quick Google searching, the only gaming monitor advertised as FreeSync capable is XL2720Z, XL2430t is not a FreeSync (or at least it isn't advertised as such, but it isn't the first time they did this, they also omitted that BL3201PT is FS capable, even if the range is pretty narrow).
 
To put this simply. Sounds like you'll either have to wait for Vega or sell your monitor. Kinda shitty that a monitor purchase ties you to NVIDIA/AMD but that's the way it is.
 
cageymaru said:
To be honest FreeSync monitors will work just fine with any video card even if it doesn't support FreeSync. They usually don't cost much more than the regular monitor. FreeSync can be enabled over HDMI. So there is no reason to ditch the FreeSync monitor unless the OP wants a GSYNC monitor.

FreeSync certainly does not suck especially with the monitors that support LFC. The OP has a video card that does not support FreeSync gaming due to it's age. The age of his video card is what sucks. If I were him I would get a GTX 1070 in a heartbeat and then work towards saving up for a GSYNC monitor as they are prohibitively more expensive than a FreeSync monitor.
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Yeah I think I'm going to do this. I was assuming (like most others i imagine) that AMD would be on the same level as Nvidia with this new gen but clearly was very wrong. I originally wanted to just get a 390X but considering how much more powerful a 1070 than it even being on near the same price point is absurd. I'll prob buy a 1080 in a bit and then go gsync. I'm worried nobody will buy my BenQ monitor though lol
 
chenw said:
Just did some quick Google searching, the only gaming monitor advertised as FreeSync capable is XL2720Z, XL2430t is not a FreeSync (or at least it isn't advertised as such, but it isn't the first time they did this, they also omitted that BL3201PT is FS capable, even if the range is pretty narrow).
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I had that monitor for a while and the Freesync option I never found in the Crimson settings. I would easily buy this again as it is a stunning 4K IPS screen. How do you force the freesync option. I know it is easy enough to hack the sync range.
 
Humpernator said:
To put this simply. Sounds like you'll either have to wait for Vega or sell your monitor. Kinda shitty that a monitor purchase ties you to NVIDIA/AMD but that's the way it is.
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Yes and that is the biggest limitation of both options. It sucks big time.
 
You have three options:
1) Wait. This might suck, but whatever. That extra feature will just have to remain off for a little bit. This will save the most money.
2) Switch to nVidia. A fine option, they make great hardware. You can start with a 1070 for the performance, and decide whether you need the G-Sync later. This will cost the most money, though.
3) Buy a card to bridge the gap, sell it when the new AMD comes out. This can be anything from the 480/390x/Fury/1060/1070/980ti/whatever. I don't expect Vega to affect prices of the cards just released very much, so anything new will probably lead to only a small loss of value when re-sold. Think of it as a rental. As an added bonus, you may be able to sell your card for more now than you would in a few months.

Note that you can choose option 2 (without buying a monitor) and change to option 3, depending on how good Vega is. But if Vega is good, the 1070 will probably get a price drop.
 
Maddness said:
I had that monitor for a while and the Freesync option I never found in the Crimson settings. I would easily buy this again as it is a stunning 4K IPS screen. How do you force the freesync option. I know it is easy enough to hack the sync range.
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The XL2430T doesn't support FreeSync, nor does the XL2420Z. The only BenQ gaming monitor that supports FreeSync currently is the XL2730Z. There's a whole lot of fud in this thread.
 
(For the purpose of clarity, FreeSync in this post, I actually mean the VESA standard adaptive sync, not AMD's GPU implementation).

aeliusg said:
The XL2430T doesn't support FreeSync, nor does the XL2420Z. The only BenQ gaming monitor that supports FreeSync currently is the XL2730Z. There's a whole lot of fud in this thread.
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He wasn't talking about the 24" or the 27" in that sentence, he was referring to the 32" 4k monitor I mentioned was FreeSync capable.

Maddness said:
I had that monitor for a while and the Freesync option I never found in the Crimson settings. I would easily buy this again as it is a stunning 4K IPS screen. How do you force the freesync option. I know it is easy enough to hack the sync range.
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I forgot to say that unfortunately I cannot prove BL3201PH's FreeSync range (unless, there IS a difference between BL3201PH and BL3201PT, because I don't have a FreeSync capable card, and reviewers state that it's capable, so I am basically copy pasting their remarks. I don't regret getting it, though, considering my other Sync-less versions are $300 more expensive for a monitor of similar size that is Sync-less. Needless to say, it's completely pointless to go Syncless.

Humpernator said:
To put this simply. Sounds like you'll either have to wait for Vega or sell your monitor. Kinda shitty that a monitor purchase ties you to NVIDIA/AMD but that's the way it is.
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I wouldn't put FreeSync vendor lock to be anywhere near the same level as G-Sync vendor lock.

Biggest reason being, a lot of FreeSync monitors don't have Sync-less version, or seldom have an equivalent one for cheaper (though this remark's accuracy depends on the resolution and refresh rate in question). BL3201PT/PH is one such monitor (if the touted FreeSync support is true), it would have costed me an additional $300 to go for the Syncless PA328Q (this being the only other 32" 4k available at the time), plus I would have lost the SpyderPro calibrator that came with the 3201, and I have put it to use on my Swift.

G-Sync is a much bigger lock because of the $200 or so premium that nVidia charges for its ULMB mode (this being, essentially, the real difference between FreeSync and G-Sync monitor functionalities). FreeSync is often cheaper, and have no Syncless options, which makes it less of a vendor lock issue.

If one is to go out of the way to actually get a Syncless monitor, it becomes a lot more limiting (EG you wouldn't be able to get any 1440p/144hz monitors without going for the Overlord Tempest or Korean monitors, none of which are guarenteed to hit that refresh rate AFAIA). If anyone is fine with that, go for it, but I will say is that eventually, all monitors are going to be either FreeSync or G-Sync, which eventually makes it impossible to pick a Sync-less version. Plus, if anything, nVidia might eventually get pressured into supporting FreeSync, at least more likely than letting AMD supporting G-Sync anyhow.
 
chenw said:
(For the purpose of clarity, FreeSync in this post, I actually mean the VESA standard adaptive sync, not AMD's GPU implementation).



He wasn't talking about the 24" or the 27" in that sentence, he was referring to the 32" 4k monitor I mentioned was FreeSync capable.



I forgot to say that unfortunately I cannot prove BL3201PH's FreeSync range (unless, there IS a difference between BL3201PH and BL3201PT, because I don't have a FreeSync capable card, and reviewers state that it's capable, so I am basically copy pasting their remarks. I don't regret getting it, though, considering my other Sync-less versions are $300 more expensive for a monitor of similar size that is Sync-less. Needless to say, it's completely pointless to go Syncless.



I wouldn't put FreeSync vendor lock to be anywhere near the same level as G-Sync vendor lock.

Biggest reason being, a lot of FreeSync monitors don't have Sync-less version, or seldom have an equivalent one for cheaper (though this remark's accuracy depends on the resolution and refresh rate in question). BL3201PT/PH is one such monitor (if the touted FreeSync support is true), it would have costed me an additional $300 to go for the Syncless PA328Q (this being the only other 32" 4k available at the time), plus I would have lost the SpyderPro calibrator that came with the 3201, and I have put it to use on my Swift.

G-Sync is a much bigger lock because of the $200 or so premium that nVidia charges for its ULMB mode (this being, essentially, the real difference between FreeSync and G-Sync monitor functionalities). FreeSync is often cheaper, and have no Syncless options, which makes it less of a vendor lock issue.

If one is to go out of the way to actually get a Syncless monitor, it becomes a lot more limiting (EG you wouldn't be able to get any 1440p/144hz monitors without going for the Overlord Tempest or Korean monitors, none of which are guarenteed to hit that refresh rate AFAIA). If anyone is fine with that, go for it, but I will say is that eventually, all monitors are going to be either FreeSync or G-Sync, which eventually makes it impossible to pick a Sync-less version. Plus, if anything, nVidia might eventually get pressured into supporting FreeSync, at least more likely than letting AMD supporting G-Sync anyhow.
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Well, for the record the XL2720Z doesn't support it either. I'm also curious about whether any reviewers have definitively shown that the difference between AMD and VESA's variable sync implementations and Nvidia's hardware is really a negligible one. I've heard this a lot around these parts but've never really seen proof.
 
aeliusg said:
Well, for the record the XL2720Z doesn't support it either. I'm also curious about whether any reviewers have definitively shown that the difference between AMD and VESA's variable sync implementations and Nvidia's hardware is really a negligible one. I've heard this a lot around these parts but've never really seen proof.
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The 2730Z has freesync, great monitor. I loved mine. IMO Gsync has Freesync beat hands down in performance but not in price/availability. Having used 3 Gsync and 7 Freesync screens, I prefer the operation of Gsync better and it was compatible and functional in far more games. However, there are way more options out there for Freesync and the prices on Nvidia branded screens are outrageous.
 
LigTasm said:
The 2730Z has freesync, great monitor. I loved mine. IMO Gsync has Freesync beat hands down in performance but not in price/availability. Having used 3 Gsync and 7 Freesync screens, I prefer the operation of Gsync better and it was compatible and functional in far more games. However, there are way more options out there for Freesync and the prices on Nvidia branded screens are outrageous.
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Did you notice any particular differences in quality between G-Sync and FreeSync displays in the same format, aside from AMD's driver failings? I'm not opposed to FreeSync, but I have a hard time believing that the difference in quality is merely nominal. You don't get much for "free" these days.
 
aeliusg said:
Did you notice any particular differences in quality between G-Sync and FreeSync displays in the same format, aside from AMD's driver failings? I'm not opposed to FreeSync, but I have a hard time believing that the difference in quality is merely nominal. You don't get much for "free" these days.
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Yeah, a lot of times in the lower range of Freesync (like 40-50 if the screens lower limit was 40) it would be choppy as hell and not much different than vsync off. I never got that with Gsync, in fact I played over 200 hours of dragon age at ~40fps without even realizing it. I had a terrible time getting Freesync to work on several of the monitors and on many games it would cause massive flickering in the menus or be downright unplayable (World of Warships/Tanks and Armored Warfare had flickering screen-door artifacts with Freesync but worked fine with Gsync). On the other hand, there were games that downright crashed if I had Gsync on like Skyrim - I don't advise anyone to try that.

When Freesync is well into its range it seems to be about equivalent, and I can't really knock the shortcomings of either tech because overall its a huge step in the right direction and I enjoy using both when I can. I feel like the extra $$$ on the module gave a little edge in certain fringe scenarios but overall I rate both very highly and settled on Freesync long term because being driver based it can only really improve, plus most Gsync monitors have no other inputs besides the DP.
 
aeliusg said:
The XL2430T doesn't support FreeSync, nor does the XL2420Z. The only BenQ gaming monitor that supports FreeSync currently is the XL2730Z. There's a whole lot of fud in this thread.
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Well I was wrong when I bought it then. Looks like I'm getting a 1070 then considering if I buy an AMD my monitor still wont support freesync....right??
 
yamaguchi441 said:
Well I was wrong when I bought it then. Looks like I'm getting a 1070 then considering if I buy an AMD my monitor still wont support freesync....right??
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That's correct. Your monitor doesn't support FreeSync so it doesn't matter which brand of GPU you buy. Enjoy the 1070!
 
EuphoricRage470 said:
That's correct. Your monitor doesn't support FreeSync so it doesn't matter which brand of GPU you buy. Enjoy the 1070!
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Thank you!! Haha I know now this slightly off topic but considering I live in Toronto Ontario what brand of 1070 would you recommend? I was only hoping to drop 500-600 CDN on it. I was looking on newegg.ca see link --> (gtx 1070 - Newegg.ca)

Any other places online youd recommend looking for the best deal?

Thanks!!!!
 
My wife and I have Rosewill 650 W power supplies and no issues so far with the ASUS 1070 OC edition.
 
Sulphademus said:
What I see is OP bought a monitor cause he wanted Freesync but his card doesn't support Freesync for gaming, therefore Freesync sucks and the GTX1070 is god.
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Except that his monitor doesn't actually support FreeSync either. So his video card can't do FreeSync and his monitor can't do FreeSync. Yet FreeSync sucks.

You get used to it around here.
 
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What he means by tearing, is that he can't see anything past his own tears from being so moved at how beautiful 1070 performs.

Hence... tear-ing.
 
Creig said:
Except that his monitor doesn't actually support FreeSync either. So his video card can't do FreeSync and his monitor can't do FreeSync. Yet FreeSync sucks.

You get used to it around here.
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Yeah, you get used to defensive AMD fans not bothering to read. His post was that the situation sucks, not Freesync itself.
 
LigTasm said:
Yeah, you get used to defensive AMD fans not bothering to read. His post was that the situation sucks, not Freesync itself.
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More like uninformed buyers b!tching about their inability to research their intended products BEFORE purchase.. or in case you didn't see the thread title:


Im stuck with Freesync and it sucks

upgraded my monitor not long ago to the BenQ xl2430t and rocking an ancient ASUS 4970 (R9 280X equivalent I believe) and I want a GTX 1070 so bad. Even though I am stuck with freesync im tempted to still just bite the bullet.
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Spend less than two minutes searching "Freesync Monitors" and you'll find several comprehensive lists:

What monitors support AMD FreeSync™ technology?
List of G-Sync and FreeSync Monitors Available May 2016
AMD FreeSync - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
All G-Sync and FreeSync monitors. Out and upcoming. - AnandTech Forums

"BenQ xl2430t"

How about a review:
BenQ XL2430T 24-Inch 144Hz Gaming Monitor Review
BenQ XL2430T Review: 144hz Gaming Monitor | DisplayLag
BenQ XL2410T review - FlatpanelsHD
Review: BenQ XL2430T Gaming Monitor ~ Tech-Critter


or the manufacturer web page:
XL2430T - LCD Monitors - Products | BenQ Global
BenQ XL2430T 144Hz 24 inch Gaming Monitor

All in all, yeah I feel for the OP, however people need to take personal responsibility ..
 
are some of you really worried about not being able to power the 1070 with 650 and 750 watt power supplies lol.
 
I picked up a Dell s2716dg 1440p 144hz for $450. It's got gsync and soon I'll get a 1070. I haven't received the monitor yet but it does suck that either free sync or gsync tie you to a monitor.

But either way if you don't have a favorite brand, you may up end with either card later. Does not mean that the card won't work. If your card can get 60+ fps you can always use the card's sync options in settings to make it manageable.
 
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