Samsung 950 PRO [Official Thread]

Burner27 said:
No idea on the free trial thing. I can only tell you what I used worked fine for me. You can get a 128GB USB Key drive for $30.
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Trying to see if I can get to this today or tomorrow. Too much crap going on... :(

BTW - I got a 128GB USB 3.0 drive fro $24.99 yesterday at Staples :D Should be big enough for the recovery media and the backup both.
 
t_ski said:
Trying to see if I can get to this today or tomorrow. Too much crap going on... :(

BTW - I got a 128GB USB 3.0 drive fro $24.99 yesterday at Staples :D Should be big enough for the recovery media and the backup both.
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have fun taking 2-4 hours transferring on that slow drive. I'll dish out the extra to transfer that 128GB in 20 mins or less
 
Burner27 said:
I followed this thread:

http://pcdiy.asus.com/2014/07/plextor-m-2-m6e-ssd-asus-z97-motherboards-better-together/

Scroll down to the section 'UEFI settings for fastest POST and boot'
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this guide is interesting. thank you very much.
my X99 Deluxe still be slow to boot, 10 seconds to listen the post beep since I press the start button, 10 seconds to get in windows, 4 seconds to boot windows.

If I set to boot "boot drive only" or "hard drive only" my system hangs on start.
What could it be?
 
Not sure what your settings are in your BIOS outside of that guide. Is your boot order set to 'Windows Boot Manager'?
 
According to your sig you have a 2TB external connected to your machine? What happens if you disconnect it from your machine?
 
My 950 Pro 512GB is also very slow to boot up Win 8 on my X99. It stays on the windows logo loading screen for like 15 secs.
 
SomeGuy133 said:
have fun taking 2-4 hours transferring on that slow drive. I'll dish out the extra to transfer that 128GB in 20 mins or less
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Nope, it didn't take that long to make the backup. I said USB 3.0 not 2.0. Besides, I don't have very many options where I live. If you do, more power to you. ;)
 
Why not get one of these?

http://www.amazon.com/ZTC-Enclosure-Adapter-SuperSpeed-ZTC-EN004-BK/dp/B00KQ4LNJC

Clone your 941 from Windows using your program of choice and then just swap m.2 drives and done.

I know you have to spend more money but im sure you will need this again in the future.


t_ski said:
Still trying to figure out how to do this. So far I have done the following:

1. Backed up my PC to my home server, and also made a clone of the OS drive via EZ Gig 4.3.8.

2. Powered off the PC, took out the XP941, put in the 950 Pro, installed Win10 on it from USB via UEFI mode. Everything worked great and drive performance was as expected.

3. Tried to boot to EZ Gig to clone back and it doesn't see the 950 Pro.

4. Tried to boot to WHS Client restore disk and it doesn't see the 950 Pro. I even pulled open the backup on another computer to grab the drivers out of the backup set, but it still didn't like it.

5. Figured out I needed to boot from UEFI for those to work, but neither has a command line version I can start from the command line function in Win10's advance boot recovery options.

6. Tried to cook my own version of UBCD using their ubcdtousb script, but my PC doesn't like to boot from it (goes straight into the BIOS).

7. Put the XP941 back in, ran Win 8's System Image Backup (under file history - like the Win 7 Windows Backup) and backed up my system to my home server that way. Win 8 USB media creator tool is not working, but I was able to find and use the Win 8.1 version. Put the 950 pro back in. Had to put in an Intel NIC, but I was able to see the share where the backup was. First time trying it failed. I tried again and it failed again. Looked at the "More Details" and it said something about seeing a USB drive as a system drive. I shut it off and walked away for a while.

8. Went back to repeat step 7 to see if I can get the exact details on the error message. This time the boot menu had my USB drive in a different spot and it allowed me to restore from the backup. However, upon reboot the system ends up going straight into the BIOS, even if I choose the Windows Boot Manager as the boot option.

I'm thinking that my only option right now might be a clean install on the new drive. However, with Microsoft not having the Win 8 Media Creator tool available (I can only find 8.1), it might meant that I have to upgrade this drive to Windows 10 first, so it can eat my Win 8 key and spit it back out as Win 10. I should be able to put the 950 Pro back in and install Win 10 with my Win 8 key (IIRC). I have copies of all the data from the current drive, but I'm just trying to avoid having to reinstall everything, including redownloading some games/programs, and having to retweak my settings to get everything back the way I like it. PITA :mad:

On top of all that crap, I lost the screw that holds down the drive. I was able to rig something up with another screw and a washer, but I'd rather have the original. Anyone know where I can get a replacement? I'm guessing Asus is my only option.
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sblantipodi said:
this guide is interesting. thank you very much.
my X99 Deluxe still be slow to boot, 10 seconds to listen the post beep since I press the start button, 10 seconds to get in windows, 4 seconds to boot windows.

If I set to boot "boot drive only" or "hard drive only" my system hangs on start.
What could it be?
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I don't think that guide is 100% accurate for the 950 pro since it isn't written for an NVMe drive. That's probably why you are running into issues with that particular setting.
 
Hi all I am having issues to install this 950 pro on my ASUS rampage V extreme. I set the bios to recognixe M.2 manually but when I get to the OS installation, the drive is not showing. but in the bios itself the drive is there. I'm using the latest bios 1701 and have created a drive letter manually in disk management for the drive and formatted NTFS.
Also I have installed the drivers for this ssd but it installs automatically on my Samsung 840 pro (c drive) with windows 8.1 already installed instead of directly to the 950 pro.
I want to install a fresh copy of Win 10 on the new 950 pro.

I have a gtx 680 in the top slot running at 3.0 x16 and everything else empty.
I'm also able to recognize the drive in Samsung magician and bench it no problem but simply can't install OS on it.

Anything you would suggest?
 
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-=Antimatter=- said:
I don't think that guide is 100% accurate for the 950 pro since it isn't written for an NVMe drive. That's probably why you are running into issues with that particular setting.
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Asus z170 Pro Gaming here with 950 Pro 256 on windows 10... booting take like forever, 5-10 second only to ghet scren on, then another 5-10 second to start loading windows then like 10 second to boot witch is insane for this drive ... I updgrade SSD and +16 Gb on my old 8 gb, is same ram thow. In windows all is good, not lightning fast but no error or blue screen, nothing, all is smooth.
 
Masinuta said:
Asus z170 Pro Gaming here with 950 Pro 256 on windows 10... booting take like forever, 5-10 second only to ghet scren on, then another 5-10 second to start loading windows then like 10 second to boot witch is insane for this drive ... I updgrade SSD and +16 Gb on my old 8 gb, is same ram thow. In windows all is good, not lightning fast but no error or blue screen, nothing, all is smooth.
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Same here 30 seconds or so to full boot about 10 seconds slower than my Samsung 840 boot times...everything else works great....

 
Acronis True Image was a pain in the ass. I finally got everything transferred over from my XP941 to the 950 Pro. I used Macrium Reflect following this guide:

http://www.howtogeek.com/199068/how-to-upgrade-your-existing-hard-drive-in-under-an-hour/

It took me less than ten minutes to clone the XP941 to a 1TB SATA HDD, then it took another 12 minutes to clone that HDD to the 950 Pro. The only problem I had was that my BIOS settings changed at some point, and took the Windows Boot Manager option away from the top slot. I reset this in the BIOS, and everything is working great now.

The best part is that Macrium was free and that it automatically pulls in the required drivers for the recovery media (but the process was so simple and straight-forward I didn't even need that).
 
t_ski said:
Acronis True Image was a pain in the ass. I finally got everything transferred over from my XP941 to the 950 Pro. I used Macrium Reflect following this guide:

http://www.howtogeek.com/199068/how-to-upgrade-your-existing-hard-drive-in-under-an-hour/

It took me less than ten minutes to clone the XP941 to a 1TB SATA HDD, then it took another 12 minutes to clone that HDD to the 950 Pro. The only problem I had was that my BIOS settings changed at some point, and took the Windows Boot Manager option away from the top slot. I reset this in the BIOS, and everything is working great now.

The best part is that Macrium was free and that it automatically pulls in the required drivers for the recovery media (but the process was so simple and straight-forward I didn't even need that).
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i personally am about to email a letter to acronis because they have just resorted to adware and I am fucking pissed.

I keep getting a pop up like MS trying to get me to update to Win 10. I just want them to fuck off. I dont want win 10 and I dont want to upgrade acronis...fucking A

EDIT: sent email about these new ads being popped up. It is like a free version of an AV software grrrrrr. If I dont get an acceptable response I will be filing a BBB complaint.
 
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Got one of these to replace an 850 pro because NVMe, but wasn't honestly expecting to notice any real difference in day to day things but I must admit I was wrong. Certain application load times and things like windows updates definitely seem to go noticeably faster on this than on the SATA drive.
 
-Dragon- said:
Got one of these to replace an 850 pro because NVMe, but wasn't honestly expecting to notice any real difference in day to day things but I must admit I was wrong. Certain application load times and things like windows updates definitely seem to go noticeably faster on this than on the SATA drive.
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placebo effect, nothing more.
 
sblantipodi said:
placebo effect, nothing more.
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Well no there are some programs I run which have loading indicators where the "loading files" part used to be noticeable and now I can barely see it fly by so I don't think going from several second load screens to instantly loaded is a placebo effect.
 
-Dragon- said:
Well no there are some programs I run which have loading indicators where the "loading files" part used to be noticeable and now I can barely see it fly by so I don't think going from several second load screens to instantly loaded is a placebo effect.
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dont worry he is just a know it all hater on this product.
 
zzz said:
Or he just looks at the data.

Seriously, can you find any data that shows >5% gain in real usage? (not counting RAM drives, of course)
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Yes.
Ark, NS2, and several other gmaes load times
Time it takes to scan a drive
Time it takes to save a 2GB PS file.
Time it takes to load a 2GB PS File (Panoramas long depth of fields are massive files in PS)
Loading images in Explorer and Bridge. I use a 4K screen and loading high res previews requires lots of IOs and CPU
Vera Crypt containers
Encrypted drives
Installs
and a bunch more

So yes STFU

I have a 50% increase in performance with the 950 PRO vs my Extreme Pro when encryption is enabled. I already posted an example. I am also CPU limited at that point with the 950 PRO so I would see a bigger increase once I upgrade my CPU to a 6700K. I have noticed a massive drop in performance ever since I added encryption to my Extreme Pro. I am looking forward to seeing how the 950 PRO handles. I am certain if I felt a tangible drop is snappiness with my Extreme PRO I will see a good bit of improvement with the 950 PRO. Additionally a lot of what I do I notice the slightest drop or increase in snappiness. It has been a proven fact that I continue to post on this forum that your transactions per min grow exponentially with lower response times.

I will continue to beat ignorance until it stops getting back up in this forum in regards to this topic.

This is why I will always buy the lowest response time SSD and the fastest single thread CPU. I will have my sub 1 second response times and preferable sub 500ms.

See IBM article.
http://www.vm.ibm.com/devpages/jelliott/evrrt.html
 
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I'll buy that the HW encryption may be drastically improved. But I'll need data to back up all your other claims. We have data that shows loading a 0.5GB file had no gain, so I'm not going to readily believe a 2GB file would be any different if you don't back this up. Same goes for load times. Show the data and I'll believe it.
 
zzz said:
I'll buy that the HW encryption may be drastically improved. But I'll need data to back up all your other claims. We have data that shows loading a 0.5GB file had no gain, so I'm not going to readily believe a 2GB file would be any different if you don't back this up. Same goes for load times. Show the data and I'll believe it.
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plan on it. I am just waiting for the sale and i'll run some tests. These are just some

Malwarebytes scan times
Kaspersky
2GB PS File
Ark loads
Installs
Record examples of Bridge at 4K
Record examples of Explorer at 4K in regard to image load speeds with logging CPU/SSD usage.

I won't test this but its a given.
Transferring large files from MX200 RAID 0 to 950 PRO/RAM. I do lots of these actions.
Backing up OS to RAID 0

I will be doing both of these on a daily basis and is a major reason for the RAID 0 but it is a given that both these tasks will essentially see a 100% increase in speed.

I'll do this with Extreme Pro (or single MX200), 950 PRO, and 2x1TB MX200 in RAID0

I'll try to do encryption with all 3 but no guarantee. I am more concerned with Extreme Pro vs 950 PRO in that test and its horribly time consuming. I really want to see how much faster system boots. It takes like 2-3 mins to verify password -_-

I'll wait to do this with my skylake build or run this on my 1650v3. This way CPU limitations will have less affect* on the tests.

*fucking at those 2 words lol. never know which to use -_-

This will be an excuse too to get some of my PS work done. I got a lot of family decoration photos I took for my mom that I need to process. I'll try to run a queue in PS to auto do tasks and count total time. This way I'll process like 200 RAW files into like 20 final images and see the total time to do the process. I probably have a lot more then that to do but we will see. I got like 2 years of decorations to process lol. I log for the most part my moms decorations because she likes to share them with friends and stuff so I use high DOF imaging for them to get the most detail. This way I can use low aperture and low ISO and decent shutter speed in poor lighting. I just merge several focus points together.
 
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SomeGuy133 said:
dont worry he is just a know it all hater on this product.
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Differently from other kids or fanboy I simply buy things and speak based on my own experience.

I'm a software developer, I develop webapp using application server, android app using android SDK and use virtual machines and containers for my workspaces.
I play games and I use my PC as an all rounder.

For this use, and I repeat, for this use, I see absolutely no improvements from my old Corsair Force GT240GB.

If you have a specific software where you see improvements, ok, you founded one software but you can't generalize and say that this drive is snappier than an old SSD when not pushed at high queue depth.
This drive is faster than older SSD but the area where it is faster is really few and most user here will not notice the difference.

No PC or workstation use a drive at high queue depth, this is server area only, and only a small part of servers.

Encryption? This is a consumer drive, who cares about encryption here.
 
sblantipodi said:
Differently from other kids or fanboy I simply buy things and speak based on my own experience.

I'm a software developer, I develop webapp using application server, android app using android SDK and use virtual machines and containers for my workspaces.
I play games and I use my PC as an all rounder.

For this use, and I repeat, for this use, I see absolutely no improvements from my old Corsair Force GT240GB.

If you have a specific software where you see improvements, ok, you founded one software but you can't generalize and say that this drive is snappier than an old SSD when not pushed at high queue depth.
This drive is faster than older SSD but the area where it is faster is really few and most user here will not notice the difference.

No PC or workstation use a drive at high queue depth, this is server area only, and only a small part of servers.

Encryption? This is a consumer drive, who cares about encryption here.
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a lot of people and a lot of people who understand the law and the legal implications. Good god, you don't want me to get started on this topic. We had like 5 pages in one thread on this topic about the insanity of US criminal law and how every person on this forum is easily a criminal without even knowing it. Nearly every computer contains criminal evidence and that is a fact.

Also generalizations? Seriously let me quote you.

sblantipodi said:
placebo effect, nothing more.
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sblantipodi said:
I think that every comment that says that the difference in real world home use is sensible is only a placebo or a way to justify the new toy.
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Generalize much?

Also I provided explicit examples of places that I am willing to guarantee will see a difference and would be shocked to not see an improvement.
 
SomeGuy133 said:
Also I provided explicit examples of places that I am willing to guarantee will see a difference and would be shocked to not see an improvement.
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I have no doubt that you are seeing improvements in the area you are testing but you are one of the very few users who can see this improvements.

No much users read a 2GB photoshop file, not every day at least.

I don't want to say that there is no improvments, surely this drive is faster in certain conditions, but for most this drive brings no improvements.
I'm surely a "power user" and as such I see no improvements.
 
sblantipodi said:
I have no doubt that you are seeing improvements in the area you are testing but you are one of the very few users who can see this improvements.

No much users read a 2GB photoshop file, not every day at least.

I don't want to say that there is no improvments, surely this drive is faster in certain conditions, but for most this drive brings no improvements.
I'm surely a "power user" and as such I see no improvements.
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fair enough but if you ever take photos and use DOF blending or merged photos in PS the files are freaking huge. IIRC the extra sized but a 40-50MB RAW turns into a 100-300MB PSD file for whatever reason so when you put 10 or more images in a single file they get massive.

Let me decrypted my data drive.

Yea they range from 700-1800MB in size for my one class. I know some I will do for Christmas will probably surpass the 2GB range or maybe 3GB. This is because it was not just DOF merge but also stitched together to create a larger more detailed image.

Also I plan on making this 17x23 or something print of my dog that passed at 600 DPI so its going to be stupid huge. I refuse to lower DPI because it is a picture meant to view up close even at that size.
 
Quick question. Are there any X99 motherboards that can support multiple m.2 slots? I have a Rampage V Extreme, but it only comes with 1 m.2 and that currently is disabled because it won't work if a certain PCI slot is occupied, which it currently is.
 
Nytegard said:
Quick question. Are there any X99 motherboards that can support multiple m.2 slots? I have a Rampage V Extreme, but it only comes with 1 m.2 and that currently is disabled because it won't work if a certain PCI slot is occupied, which it currently is.
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not as far as i have heard. best bet is to try newegg motherboard search engine.
 
Nytegard said:
Quick question. Are there any X99 motherboards that can support multiple m.2 slots? I have a Rampage V Extreme, but it only comes with 1 m.2 and that currently is disabled because it won't work if a certain PCI slot is occupied, which it currently is.
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While not natively, I believe the Asus X-99 Deluxe had a stand-up m.2 slot and it came with a PCIe card/adapter, so that one could support two m.2 drives.
 
SomeGuy133 said:
plan on it. I am just waiting for the sale and i'll run some tests. These are just some

Malwarebytes scan times
Kaspersky
2GB PS File
Ark loads
Installs
Record examples of Bridge at 4K
Record examples of Explorer at 4K in regard to image load speeds with logging CPU/SSD usage.
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I look forward to it :p From what I've seen, I'd be surprised if you can find any real scenario that shows a difference (outside of encryption or transferring to DRAM or a RAID 0 array). So when all the data available online shows a <5% gain, don't call people haters for not buying it when people say they notice a difference. Based on the data, the most probable explanation is that it's a placebo effect.

As a side note, the benefits of a single 1TB are easy to point out, and give real performance gains when doing a move within the same drive (instantaneous) versus a move across physical drives, which you'd be more likely to do with only 0.5TB.
 
zzz said:
I look forward to it :p From what I've seen, I'd be surprised if you can find any real scenario that shows a difference (outside of encryption or transferring to DRAM or a RAID 0 array). So when all the data available online shows a <5% gain, don't call people haters for not buying it when people say they notice a difference. Based on the data, the most probable explanation is that it's a placebo effect.

As a side note, the benefits of a single 1TB are easy to point out, and give real performance gains when doing a move within the same drive (instantaneous) versus a move across physical drives, which you'd be more likely to do with only 0.5TB.
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thats why I am getting 2x1TB mx200...well did. I do so much moving from a single HDD to an SSD it is annoying especially when i work on PS stuff. I hate my 480GB drive. Granted now I will have a NVMe that is 500GBish as main again but since I got SSD data storage I can work with only 500GB because I cna keep core programs only now on the SSD and don't need to store rare data unless I really need to.
 
isn't this drive having temperature issues or was it the mobo which you'll use with have temp problems?
this can alleviate JC3 load times in PS4, IF it was supported!
 
jcagara08 said:
isn't this drive having temperature issues or was it the mobo which you'll use with have temp problems?
this can alleviate JC3 load times in PS4, IF it was supported!
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I showed in my case it is just fine sitting under a 980TI OC and OV running F@H. If you have a GPU like a Gigabyte G1 the fan will push a fair amount of air down on top of the card due to how the heatsink is designed. It all depends on your case. So basically as I have always said don't have a shitty case. If you got a leaf blower GPU you might have issues but i don't know. I hit a max of 55C while running a long crystal disk mark test.
 
The sad things about hardware review is that they shows benchmarks only.

Benchmarks are always less significant with SSD testing, specially for home workstation use.
Most people will buy this drive thinking of buying a faster drive but it is not the case for most.
 
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