7 Things I Still Hate About Windows 10

phreakpiercer said:
You all know you can turn that shit off, right?
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No, you can't. Even if you really could just flip a switch the EULA still gives Microsoft the right to change those settings at any time and to monitor any user activity whenever they want.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
No, you can't. Even if you really could just flip a switch the EULA still gives Microsoft the right to change those settings at any time and to monitor any user activity whenever they want.
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The only thing that cannot be completely turned off at least from Microsoft official statements is the basic diagnostic telemetry. With all other data collection disabled the only thing being sent, again this is the official position of Microsoft, is information running processes, programs and crashes, no personal user data is sent. As that traffic is encrypted there's been no way to independently confirm that this is indeed the case. However, considering that all of this on by default, I don't see why Microsoft would lie about it as there's nothing to be gained and a lot to loose if they are lying about this.

Also, there's nothing in the EULA covering Windows 10 specifically that says Microsoft can change user settings on a PC that I've seen. One thing that people have often been doing is applying the EULA covering Microsoft's services to Windows 10. As Windows 10 can connect to these services (any OS can connect to at least some of these services) there's some relationship.
 
Edge sucks it's not bad but the theme sucks so I'm waiting on Stardocks Windowblinds to come out. Firefox 40.02 is the way to go for now you a few thousands themes to choose from for FIrefox plus you can Drag and Drop bookmarks.
 
Comixbooks said:
Edge sucks it's not bad but the theme sucks so I'm waiting on Stardocks Windowblinds to come out. Firefox 40.02 is the way to go for now you a few thousands themes to choose from for FIrefox plus you can Drag and Drop bookmarks.
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The dark theme in Edge is pretty nice. The problem with Edge is that it is very feature incomplete especially compared to a modern desktop browser, but it is pretty fast and still be far much better for touch than anything else. Microsoft did add support for Object RTC in the latest Windows 10 build which is nice but the extensions support along with bookmark syncing and other options are far more critical I think.
 
DPI said:
What specifically was he wrong about in his article?
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He has a point about some things, others look like he's still cutting and pasting complaints from Windows 8.x. The whole "space issue" with tiles and apps doesn't make a lot of sense as the Start Menu is resizable and apps are windowed and also resizable.
 
Windows 10 is fine. This tinfoil conspiracy is puzzling as unlike most others, you can turn off what you don't like in a very granular way. (not even talking about using the group policy editor)

Onedrive is like any cloud service and you don't have to use it. You can hide the lille cloud icon if it is so freaking you out and turn off the cloud.

Drivers are rock stable coming from 8.1

The one issue i did have was finding out there was a 512 limit to all apps.

MY main reason for posting though..is i'm getting tired of the fanbois' yelling conspiracy theories without merit.

Remind me again, please, who was busted for price fixing books? Anti-consumer for sure. SO before you raise the pitchforks, how about some rational and balanced thought? :)

I would agree that MS should have the sharing bandwidth and app updates off by default. Not many choose custom install vs express. Although here again ...by this time most people should know to choose custom installs for everything as so many companies have added other programs when doing express over the years.
 
RedStarSQD said:
The one issue i did have was finding out there was a 512 limit to all apps.
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That's increasing in a future update (already if your an insider).

Windows 10 isn't perfect, but I really like it. The privacy and stuff doesn't affect me personally. But, it does give us some hesitation at work until more information comes out about it.

I want to try it on a Surface Pro 4, though. :D
 
Zarathustra[H];1041867158 said:
The z77 board in sig?

What about it doesn't have driver support?

Does it have some really unusual optional components on it? I mean, the Z77 chipset is fully supported already.

Usually realtek onboard sound is supported out of the box, and the Nic is an Intel one on that board, and is definitely supported.

What is it that is holding you back? The Asmedia USB3 and SATA controllers? Those really ought to be supported already too...

I'm really surprised it doesn't just work for you.

The motherboard is just made up of a standard Intel chipset, and a lot of mass produced 3rd party on board peripherals (in your case Realtek audio, Intel NIC and Asmedia SATA and USB3), which should already be supported. There should be nothing unique that requires an "Asus" driver on there...
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Issue was mostly with USB and no mater what power option I chose my computer would not shutdown/sleep/restart. Most of my devices wouldn't work, and my keyboard would have to be unplugged and plugged back into a different USB port to work. Asus doesn't have Win10 drivers, at least last I checked they didn't. I did the upgrade weeks ago and tried a fresh install a couple days after. Still had issues with USB devices. The last straw was my headset constantly being detected as if I was plugging it in and unplugging it. The other issue I had was Windows did not see my headset as a legit input device, so Skype or whatever would complain I didn't have a microphone...yet I was still able to make calls and record.
 
Indeed 2048 :)

But once discovered, it gave me a good reason to clean out the clutter of old in the start menu. :)

To discover if you are affected ..admin mode for powershell type:

get-startapps | measure or yah, go to preview build if it is not your main computer.
 
hity645 said:
Issue was mostly with USB and no mater what power option I chose my computer would not shutdown/sleep/restart. Most of my devices wouldn't work, and my keyboard would have to be unplugged and plugged back into a different USB port to work. Asus doesn't have Win10 drivers, at least last I checked they didn't. I did the upgrade weeks ago and tried a fresh install a couple days after. Still had issues with USB devices. The last straw was my headset constantly being detected as if I was plugging it in and unplugging it. The other issue I had was Windows did not see my headset as a legit input device, so Skype or whatever would complain I didn't have a microphone...yet I was still able to make calls and record.
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You don't need asus for usb support. An odd issue indeed i have not heard of before.


USB device tree viewer would discover any issues you had there. But i know you are not anxious to leap back to 10 to try it out.
 
actually i would need to know your computer name and model to be sure of me saying you don't need asus if it is an older computer to see what addition usb controller is being used for usb 3.
 
ManofGod said:
I have read the article and from what I saw, he just likes to whine to be heard. So, where is his 7 things he loves about Windows 10 article?
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The author defending himself in the comments is by far better than the article, which is waste of words.
 
somecallmeTim said:
The author defending himself in the comments is by far better than the article, which is waste of words.
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Really? Where do you see him providing any sort of defense?

Mark Wilson to Joe_HTH 3 days ago
Which are nitpicking BS? If you don't provide details, I've no idea if you're talking nonsense or not....

Mark Wilson to ikzelf 3 days ago
I like you! You can come here again! :)

Mark Wilson to Nov-cubed 3 days ago
Shake it off

And that's the totality of the posts the author has made on this story.
 
My only complaint is having to reinstall and verify 2000+ games, but that is a first world personal issue, not a windows 10 issue.
 
Azphira said:
My only complaint is having to reinstall and verify 2000+ games, but that is a first world personal issue, not a windows 10 issue.
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That is one of the many great things about steam games. No need to re authenticate.
Steam knows to find the games again.
Easy to move.
Easy to backup.


So here i would wish that win 10 took a few pages from steam's playbook.

I have a slow link to the internet and never thought i would download my 30+ gig games.
But it is a small price for such great convenience. Well and the steam sales also add incentive. hehe :)
 
RedStarSQD said:
That is one of the many great things about steam games. No need to re authenticate.
Steam knows to find the games again.
Easy to move.
Easy to backup.


So here i would wish that win 10 took a few pages from steam's playbook.

I have a slow link to the internet and never thought i would download my 30+ gig games.
But it is a small price for such great convenience. Well and the steam sales also add incentive. hehe :)
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And so easy to lose and never be able to get it back again. Need proof of that quick searching will show you all the horror stories of people getting their accounts snatched and no amount of proof getting them returned. Or global vac'd because of a friend or family member using your machine without your knowledge, etc.
 
Vercinaigh said:
And so easy to lose and never be able to get it back again. Need proof of that quick searching will show you all the horror stories of people getting their accounts snatched and no amount of proof getting them returned. Or global vac'd because of a friend or family member using your machine without your knowledge, etc.
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just follow these safety guidelines ...

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=1266-OAFV-8478

If you are compromised there are indeed quite a few posts saying steam support gave them back their accounts within a short time.
 
the only thing i didnt like about 10 was the shitty nvidia drivers crashing all the time. i went back to my 8.1 until nviida figures out what they are doing.
 
Everyone saying that you shouldn't complain about the intrusive data collection in 10 because other OS's do it is a moron.

I've decided i'm staying on 7 after the telemetry updates they pushed through and them being kind enough to waste a ton of my bandwidth and fill up my hard drive preloading 10 when I never even reserved a copy.

Really everything I've heard about it from the opt out data collection, forced windows updates(those never go badly), to the by passed hosts file for things they don't want you blocking. Screw that OS, screw Microsoft, and screw this whole society that thinks shit like this is ok.
 
menu bar and title bar same color.... saa cant see where one stops and the other starts. which can be quite annoying dragging around a lot of windows.

it should not be hard to understand that if you have two neighboring areas with different effect when you click on them. Make a visible border or use different colors.
 
The problem for me is that...I'm just not that interested/excited by new operating systems anymore.

Since Windows 7 came along, everything since has been behind the scenes enhancements (which are nice but you don't see them) or useless garnish/dry salad that I just want to push off the plate.

Haven't had a must have feature in years. YMMV
 
Bomber18 said:
Everyone saying that you shouldn't complain about the intrusive data collection in 10 because other OS's do it is a moron.

I've decided i'm staying on 7 after the telemetry updates they pushed through and them being kind enough to waste a ton of my bandwidth and fill up my hard drive preloading 10 when I never even reserved a copy.

Really everything I've heard about it from the opt out data collection, forced windows updates(those never go badly), to the by passed hosts file for things they don't want you blocking. Screw that OS, screw Microsoft, and screw this whole society that thinks shit like this is ok.
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I think going forward you might want to find a different hobby/career.
 
RedStarSQD said:
http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/87789/en-us

these are certified for windows 10. tested and tried (geforce 400 and above). There may be another issue with your system.
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I don't have much confidence in the certification program.

This wouldn't be the first time we'd have a "certified" buggy unstable driver.

I - too - see significant GPU driver type instabilities in Windows 10. I mean, bugs work in mysterious ways, so it could be anything else, but if I had to guess, I'd guess GPU driver related.

This, after the system was rock solid in Windows 8.1 and still is in my dual booted Linux install.
 
seems I linked to an old driver

here is an updated one for your 980 http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/90500/en-us

Once bitten twice shy. understandable.

My main is running ATI, err amd. But I do have another running NVidia without incident.

I guess the difference is that you have bleeding edge just about. I see that each release has lessened the volume of anguish. So hopefully, you will be back with win 10 in short order :)
 
Vercinaigh said:
And so easy to lose and never be able to get it back again. Need proof of that quick searching will show you all the horror stories of people getting their accounts snatched and no amount of proof getting them returned. Or global vac'd because of a friend or family member using your machine without your knowledge, etc.
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I'm going through that right this minute... :/ Not fun.

Submitted credit card numbers (last 4 digits), statements, etc., but still without my games. This sucks.
 
Only thing that pisses me off is the default mail client is worse than the one they used in windows 8.1.... for a simple client the one in w8 was great.
 
So my comments from the OA points:
Store Apps: I don't know....I stopped when I could not install any apps without a MS account
Action Center: well....I don't agree with the space-eater of the toggles....because I've used it on tablets
Tiles: This is confirmation that he is on a non-touchscreen device. While I uninstalled W10, I do remember being frustrated that I had to scroll after a pretty low numbers of tiles, because (AFAIR) the "small" start menu could not be resized.
Information on Updates: HELL YEAH! This is applicable to all Windowses
Edge: Never used it, except for downloading chrome of firefox.

But my deal-breaker with W10 was the 2nd time my youtube videos froze in fullscreen. Granted, it could have been just the Intel GFX driver, but I reinstalled the old Windows on 4 devices (even switching my laptop from personally-bought-7 to OEM-provided-8.1)
 
Zarathustra[H];1041866985 said:
... and stealing your bandwidth for updates (not to mention how they a stole bandwidth for the Windows10 upgrade rollout)...
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No bandwidth was stolen. You did not have to say YES to the download and install of Windows 10. You telling MS they can send you Windows 10 over the Internet is you giving permission MS permission to use your bandwidth, no theft was involved.

If you want to stop MS from giving you updates (which you agreed to do when you installed Win10 - meaning no theft is occurring), you can read this article and make it happen quite easily:

https://4sysops.com/archives/stop-automatic-updates-in-windows-10-rtm-build-10240/

The author even gives more than one option on how to do it.
 
cybrsage said:
No bandwidth was stolen. You did not have to say YES to the download and install of Windows 10. You telling MS they can send you Windows 10 over the Internet is you giving permission MS permission to use your bandwidth, no theft was involved.
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A lot of people got it downloaded to their machines even if they never reserved it. Couldn't opt out of that.
 
cybrsage said:
No bandwidth was stolen. You did not have to say YES to the download and install of Windows 10. You telling MS they can send you Windows 10 over the Internet is you giving permission MS permission to use your bandwidth, no theft was involved.

If you want to stop MS from giving you updates (which you agreed to do when you installed Win10 - meaning no theft is occurring), you can read this article and make it happen quite easily:

https://4sysops.com/archives/stop-automatic-updates-in-windows-10-rtm-build-10240/

The author even gives more than one option on how to do it.
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1.) People did not have the option to stop Windows 10 from downloading and then being shared to others, unless they knew to block an automatically installed patch. Windows 10 downloads to (and then is shared from) your computer whether you ask for it or not.

2.) It's an opt-out program. The only way this would be acceptable is if it were an opt-in program, with the default being "off" especially given how Microsoft obfuscates the descriptions of the descriptions of the options such that your average user has no idea what they are opting in or out of.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041869014 said:
1.) People did not have the option to stop Windows 10 from downloading and then being shared to others, unless they knew to block an automatically installed patch. Windows 10 downloads to (and then is shared from) your computer whether you ask for it or not.

2.) It's an opt-out program. The only way this would be acceptable is if it were an opt-in program, with the default being "off" especially given how Microsoft obfuscates the descriptions of the descriptions of the options such that your average user has no idea what they are opting in or out of.
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I will admit i turned this off when using win 10 custom install but today i found it turned on.
With all the outrage over other opt out programs through the years from govt and so on. This is needless shooting in the foot by MS.

They have all the preview testers and usage data. Surely they already knew it was a bad idea. Yet, they do seem determined not to change the behaviour.
 
I was all ready to switch to Win10 the day came out. Had they released a month earlier I'd be on 10, but i had other shit take precedence. Quite glad that happened cause I really don't like what i'm hearing.

I just don't care for the hamfisted approach msft is using to shove shit down people's throats. It just rubs me the wrong way. I'll be sticking with 7 for the foreseeable future.
 
RedStarSQD said:
I will admit i turned this off when using win 10 custom install but today i found it turned on.
With all the outrage over other opt out programs through the years from govt and so on. This is needless shooting in the foot by MS.

They have all the preview testers and usage data. Surely they already knew it was a bad idea. Yet, they do seem determined not to change the behaviour.
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Its not that MS didn't think some people wouldn't like it, its that they're testing to see how much they can get away with. If there's enough of backlash, they'll PR release that they "Listened to customers" to "make Windows 10 even better!" and make the opt-out and disable settings actually do something, and/or be more transparent about what they're creepily transmitting to the mothership constantly.

But for every "Well I installed Windows 10 and seems like its working okay" noob and every "LOL Facebook & APple does it too u know" apologist, their consumer-hostile bullshit gets affirmed a little more.

They tried the same play when hijacking desktops with an app store UI when Windows 8 launched, and MS execs admitted later they "knew it would be disruptive", but hoped people would just STFU and deal with it. However since Windows 10's spying is going on behind the curtain and inside encrypted datastreams, noob ignorance is bliss and there's not the same awareness.
 
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