The failure that is the Fury X...how can people trust AMD?

GibsonEX said:
I dont see Intel raping us with their prices, and they pretty much can do whatever the hell they want.
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Actually, that's why CPU performance has been so stagnant. With AMD out of the market, Intel has no reason to keep ramping up performance, because they are several generations ahead of AMD in terms of raw performance. Hence why performance/$ has barely moved an inch in the last 5 years. But they have every reason to ramp up performance/watt so that x86 can compete with ARM. ARM's performance has been increasing exponentially, if you take a look at the mobility market (cell phones). Intel wants a bite of that market, so the research $$$ needs to go into reducing power usage and shrinking their chips, and increasing performance/watt and IPC, rather than going for straight performance like they used to.

CPU upgrades are a joke nowadays.
 
GibsonEX said:
I dont see Intel raping us with their prices, and they pretty much can do whatever the hell they want. If Nvidia thinks they can start selling 970-class gpu for 500 bucks because AMD is not able to compete, they are going to put themselves out of business and push everybody over to consoles. I don't see that happening. At least not for a while. (By the time it happens i hope i'll be too old to give a shit about gaming and Nvidia and AMD :D)
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they are raping us with prices. it's a relatively gentle rape, but it's still rape. a sandy bridge i7 is barely slower than a 4790k clock for clock, yet a 4790k is $340. and this is kind of unrelated, but if you bought one of the new haswell-e cpus and all you're using it for is gaming, you've wasted over $200. at least with gpus things are somewhat competitive still, although that might not be the case anymore with fury x.
 
Rauelius said:
We would have had this exact same conversation in 2008 had AMD priced the Radeon 4870 at the same price as the GTX260 ($450). Instead AMD priced the Radeon 4870 at $300, and yeah it had half as much RAM as the GTX260 and GTX280, but it was a NEW type of RAM that was much faster and helped it compete against the much more expensive GTX260 and at times keep up with the GTX280.

If AMD priced the Fury-X at $500, it would have been a repeat of the 4870...reviews would have been glowing. Instead AMD priced it way too high. It funny that AMD is willing to destroy their GPU market share for $150...
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Well the AIO is probably close to $80 cost and the HBM memory from Hynix seems to be of low yield. So I bet they are close to their cost now.
 
How can people trust Nvidia after ramgate?
They are billion dollar corporations you shouldn't trust any of them.
 
Odellus said:
they are raping us with prices. it's a relatively gentle rape, but it's still rape. a sandy bridge i7 is barely slower than a 4790k clock for clock, yet a 4790k is $340. and this is kind of unrelated, but if you bought one of the new haswell-e cpus and all you're using it for is gaming, you've wasted over $200. at least with gpus things are somewhat competitive still, although that might not be the case anymore with fury x.
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I got a i7-5930k for $240, glad to know I should of got a $40 AMD processor instead.
 
You know these forums are getting sadder and sadder, troll threads all over the place, personal attacks and all of it over hardware and the name of a company..... Grow up folks. It's just hardware if you think it's not as good then dont buy it, when you feel the need to bash someone else for their buying choice it makes me think you feel inferior with your choice. As for Fury I expect we will see a bit more when windows 10 launches, perhaps that Is what Fury needs to shine or perhaps the 980ti will continue it's slight lead. I have bought cards from Nvidia , ATI, Voodoo, Matrox and Promise so I am not brand loyal, but these kind of posts just make me want to avoid anything Nvidia, it makes me wonder if they are just paying people to come on here and bash.
 
Gideon said:
You know these forums are getting sadder and sadder, troll threads all over the place, personal attacks and all of it over hardware and the name of a company..... Grow up folks. It's just hardware if you think it's not as good then dont buy it, when you feel the need to bash someone else for their buying choice it makes me think you feel inferior with your choice. I have bought cards from Nvidia , ATI, Voodoo, Matrox and Promise so I am not brand loyal, but these kind of posts just make me want to avoid anything Nvidia, it makes me wonder if they are just paying people to come on here and bash.
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I`m almost certain they are not getting paid, but they probably just favor a company and identify with it (incredibly sad as it is). I`m surprised we haven´t seen more people getting permabanned. There are few people around here whose posts are almost always negative and toxic in some manner and their posts just keep on coming like a freight train. The so called "team players" are the worst of the lot.
 
MacLeod said:
The failure that was Fermi. How can people trust Nvidia.
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At least Nvidia did a very rapid release cycle, which did alleviate some of the issues and bad press with that fiasco. If AMD gets the drop on Nvidia with 16nm and does the same with a rapid release cycle then this could all just be water under the bridge.

But if they do what they've been doing since the HD7000 Series, then they are dead. Just my honest opinion. No more of this nearly 2 year release crap. Start fighting for your life because at this point you are.
 
PcZac said:
I got a i7-5930k for $240, glad to know I should of got a $40 AMD processor instead.
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So you got a lucky craigslist score $240 on a $579.00 processor. Not everyone can just go buy it for that price right now so it's an invalid comparison to the market. I got an HP Z230 i7-4770, 256GB SSD, 16GB ram, nvidia quadro k2000 and brand new logitech wireless keyboard/mouse all for $250. Doesn't mean that's the comparison price. His point was for gaming a GPU upgrade is better than a processor jumping a generation or two. Upgrading my 3930k to your 5930k would barely do anything where my 650ti sli to 970 was more beneficial. http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-5930K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-3930K
 
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I was just poking fun, the i7 5820k is only $300 at Microcenter, which is a great price compared to other i7 processors (and in general). The only AMD processor with similar multithreaded performance is the AMD FX-9590 at $220, but Intel has the edge in wattage, and depending on the benchmark and your use, the 5820k is a bit faster (15%) to much faster (50%+). I actually got the 5930k through the Intel retail edge program, but I was going to get the 5820k otherwise. But also the 2011 v3 platform (motherboard+ram) is much more expensive, so you kinda need to add $150+ in extra costs for picking that processor.
 
PcZac said:
I was just poking fun, the i7 5820k is only $300 at Microcenter, which is a great price compared to other i7 processors (and in general). The only AMD processor with similar multithreaded performance is the AMD FX-9590 at $220, but Intel has the edge in wattage, and depending on the benchmark and your use, the 5820k is a bit faster (15%) to much faster (50%+). I actually got the 5930k through the Intel retail edge program, but I was going to get the 5820k otherwise. But also the 2011 v3 platform (motherboard+ram) is much more expensive, so you kinda need to add $150+ in extra costs for picking that processor.
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it's fine if you're going to actually use it with properly multithreaded applications, but it's a total waste of money for gaming. more cores = lower chance for a good overclock, which is obviously bad when haswell-e has lower performance per core than a 4790k, and 6 cores are useless for games when most barely even support 4. i would say a 3770k or even 2600k/2700k would be the absolute best value if you're going for 120+ fps in games, anything more is a waste. if you're gaming at 60 Hz i don't know why you would even buy anything newer than sandy bridge other than for epenis. even in the most cpu heavy games like battlefield 4, a 4.5 GHz 2500k is never going to cause you to go lower than 70 fps. now, this all sounds ridiculous... and that's because it is. passmark's cpu bench is probably the best way to see how a cpu will perform, and it shows a 2700k at 4.8 GHz as slightly faster than a stock 4790K. just look at ue3 games, eg borderlands 2 or killing floor 2. doesn't matter how good your computer is, you will have pretty significant frame drops simply because of all the shit they're throwing at the cpu when the game only really uses 2 cores. getting pretty off topic now so i'll stop. :)
 
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It's not a failure. It's the fastest card AMD ever built and has great cooling. Only problem is its priced about $100 too much.
 
Gideon said:
You know these forums are getting sadder and sadder, troll threads all over the place, personal attacks and all of it over hardware and the name of a company..... Grow up folks. It's just hardware if you think it's not as good then dont buy it, when you feel the need to bash someone else for their buying choice it makes me think you feel inferior with your choice. As for Fury I expect we will see a bit more when windows 10 launches, perhaps that Is what Fury needs to shine or perhaps the 980ti will continue it's slight lead. I have bought cards from Nvidia , ATI, Voodoo, Matrox and Promise so I am not brand loyal, but these kind of posts just make me want to avoid anything Nvidia, it makes me wonder if they are just paying people to come on here and bash.
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Yeah that is what has stood out for me more than anything, the sheer stupidity of so many posts. Yes, the Fury X is a disappointment for the price, but it is still VERY close to a 980 Ti. Yet, there are morons all over these threads saying "lol epic fail", "this isn't even a $400 card", blah blah blah. Responses to new CPU/GPU launches have always been rather lively, but the level of stupidity has really gone through the roof in recent years.
 
This is your brain on AMD
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Seriously though AMD will lower prices if it has to. A win for customers if it happens.
 
Sprayingmango said:
So AMD promised massive leaps and performance gains over nVidia with the latest card. Clearly it failed.

Tom Logan himself said that AMD continued to tell him in press info that it would destroy the 980Ti...Linus received a dead card.....

AMD pushed Mantle and promised major advances....Mantle is dead.

AMD rebrands 2 year old GPUs and tries to sell them as new to customers....clearly they are being deceptive.


I just don't understand how people can continue to support AMD?:confused:
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It's because they are only out to get you ;)

Seriously though I don't think it's all that bad, all AMD would have had to do were to release the card with air cooling at around $599 and it would have been competitive price/performance wise.

Meanwhile I'll stick with my 970GTX.
 
Reus said:
Yeah that is what has stood out for me more than anything, the sheer stupidity of so many posts. Yes, the Fury X is a disappointment for the price, but it is still VERY close to a 980 Ti. Yet, there are morons all over these threads saying "lol epic fail", "this isn't even a $400 card", blah blah blah. Responses to new CPU/GPU launches have always been rather lively, but the level of stupidity has really gone through the roof in recent years.
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Beats 980ti for the way I play and use my computer.
still amd failed to manage expectations which they need to do a lot better.
Buying fury once the 14 July happens
 
lovely trolling thread, of little value more than entertainement for the otherwise bored.
 
63jax said:
please, close this thread, is silly enough!
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Why close it, it's an open forum. He is legit with his questions.
Aah I see maybe you are just let down by your favorite company after the reviews hit yesterday. ;)
 
if Nvidia had released this card the opinions of the vast majority of people posting in this crap pile of a thread would be totally different.
 
King of Heroes said:
Honestly, it looks like Fiji was a GPU built for 14nm that had to get shoehorned into 28nm because thats all they had to work with. I suspect it will truly shine when 14nm becomes the norm, which is convenient for AMD.
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What are you basing that on? Citation / qualification of your statement is required...
 
YeuEmMaiMai said:
if Nvidia had released this card the opinions of the vast majority of people posting in this crap pile of a thread would be totally different.
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The problem isn't the product itself but rather the price.

I actually think there would be MORE crying if NVIDIA released a card that was the same price as an AMD card but performed worse.
 
The problem for me is the combination of hype, performance, and price.

If you're going to release a slightly slower product at the same price don't brag about how great and game changing it's going to be or how it's the future of gaming. If you're going to release a 4k gaming card make sure it can play games well at 4k lol.

If you're gong to release a slower card and want people to be excited about it at least give them the card at a lower price. Look at the current bulldozer prices. You can pick up an 8core fx for ~$120 or less pretty regularly. Sure it's slower than an i5 but its 1/2 the price and will still play everything on the market just fine.

I think I'm most annoyed with the way AMD is talking like they released a competitive or even superior card. Like they have blinders on. At least recognize your weaknesses so you can improve them. Ignoring teh fact that you have a slightly slower slightly overpriced card tells me you have no intentions on releasing a competitive product. You would rather have your marketing team convincing newbs to buy a cyberpower PC with your Super Awesome Very Much WoW video card in it.
 
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If AMD lowers price then this card is worth it, as long as they stick to the 650 price point its a goner.
 
What trust, what support? Supporting any multi-national corporation is stupid.

Fury X is a product, it has a performance, it has a price. I always buy what offers the best price/performance ratio for the money I'm willing to pay. Even if it's made by little green man from mars, who cares.

Yes the Fury x is a disappointment performance wise. So what? What should we do go to the streets and demand the end of AMD? That'll surely make high performance 4K gaming cards more affordable for the customer, LOL

AMD is not dead yet anyway. Both the 980 and the 980TI are well over the price that the average guy is willing to pay for a gpu. And bellow that price point it's not all Nvidia.
 
This thread deserves the attention it is getting, it's why I made it. My points are valid. AMD continues to let its loyal customers down and under deliver. I wanted to see what the rest of H thinks about it.

Case in point: nVidia has been leading on the hardware AND software front, with their GameReady driver releases and SLI support. AMD went what...6+ months with no updated drivers since he Omega driver??

Why people keep giving AMD money for sub-par products is beyond me and nobody in this thread has given me a compelling reason to think otherwise.
 
Sprayingmango said:
This thread deserves the attention it is getting, it's why I made it. My points are valid. AMD continues to let its loyal customers down and under deliver. I wanted to see what the rest of H thinks about it.

Case in point: nVidia has been leading on the hardware AND software front, with their GameReady driver releases and SLI support. AMD went what...6+ months with no updated drivers since he Omega driver??

Why people keep giving AMD money for sub-par products is beyond me and nobody in this thread has given me a compelling reason to think otherwise.
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No one truly gives a shit, lets be real here buddy. A person will look at several reviews and make his/her decision right there and then move on with their lives.

You make it sound like its the second coming of fucking christ. Its not a big deal, move on. This is why free markets exist, along with competition. You make the choice, the end.

Pointless thread.
 
Ahh the same thing can be said for Nvidia except we will change sub-par to overpriced.

"Why people keep giving Nvidia money for overpriced products is beyond me and nobody in this thread has given me a compelling reason to think otherwise."

Please don't tell me it is what the market will bare, no competition means $1000 gpu's and there are people crazy enough to buy them and defend their purchase even after the 980ti comes out 2 months later for $350 less.

Is that what we want for PC gaming and that is why people buy AMD cards.
 
AMD released a slower card at the same price as an "overpriced" Nvidia card. How do you get to say nvidia is over priced when AMD is the same price lol?
 
Well you get a AIO for the premium (being the same price as a faster 980ti), how much more expensive is the 980ti AIO?
And back to the Titian X, that is how I can say Nvidia is overpriced. Honestly who would not agree with that?
 
Kardonxt said:
AMD released a slower card at the same price as an "overpriced" Nvidia card. How do you get to say nvidia is over priced when AMD is the same price lol?
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They are both overpriced, but AMD has less performance and less features for the extra cost. Which is why people are so disappointed.
 
You act like everyone wants an AIO cooler to find a place to mount in their case. The 980ti runs at reasonable temps without the need for and AIO cooler. You only get a AIO cooler because AMDs card uses 15-20% more power and generates that much more heat. Without it everyone would be freaking out over temps again ala r9 290.

If you did want to pay more for a 980ti with an AIO cooler the performance gap would also be larger since it actually overclocks well and could make use of the cooler temps.

There is no way a reasonable person can spin the fury x as a good value at current prices lol.
 
Thank you for your opinion on AIO's, a lot of people would disagree with you, all the way from dwood brackets to the commercial nzxt ones. The air fury is coming in July and will be cheaper.
When the 980ti came out 85c were the temps, want to overclock that you got yourself a leaf blowing heater just like what the 290x used to be. With the advent of custom 980ti that has changed and 980ti's are very appealing. The same can be said for the future of the fury line with the air cooled version coming in July.

AND once again just to drive it home $1000 graphics cards are expensive, if there was no 980ti AMD might have tried to sell the fury for $750-850. That is what we don't want and for the life of me I can't see why people were buying the Titian X
 
filip said:
Titian X, that is how I can say Nvidia is overpriced. Honestly who would not agree with that?
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So then the Titan X is overprice.... not Nvidia as a whole. And even then you can't really say the Titan X is overprice when there is nothing else to compare it to. If AMD had a similar card for less money then sure.... Something being more than you want to pay for it doesn't make it overpriced.
 
And how many of those people with aio coolers are running stock clocks on cards that had reasonable temps to begin with? They aren't, They bought them too cool their 290s and / or overclock their cards.

Slapping an AIO cooler on a card that can't take advantage of it kills the majority of its value right of the bat.
 
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