I saw this on the Monoprice 27" 2560x1440 monitor - It was pretty bad. Amazon should protect you on the return though. I would also make sure and use a good credit card that has a good return policy like Discover.
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Seiki Pro SM40UNP 40"/ SM32UNP 30"4K LED Monitors
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I saw this on the Monoprice 27" 2560x1440 monitor - It was pretty bad. Amazon should protect you on the return though. I would also make sure and use a good credit card that has a good return policy like Discover.
I bought my Philips through BIZBUY on Amazon and the return went smoothly. They asked me to test a bunch of nonsense (like drivers even tho my monitor was obviously damaged even with nothing but a power cable plugged in) but after several emails back and forth, they sent over a return label and refunded my money within a couple days.
Can anyone comment more on the color shifting? I've read both the Seiki and Philips, using the same panel, have "noticeable" color shifting when looking at the sides straight on, compared to the center screen. I know there's a subjective aspect to this, but with claimed 176 degree viewing angle, I would think if that were true, there would be virtually no color shifting when sitting straight at center.
I had one of the 28" TN 4K monitors released last fall I couldn't tolerate the way colors were so dramatically different between the top and the bottom the screen. It was unavoidably noticeable to me, like a shoe that just doesn't fit right no matter how nice it looks on the outside.
I'm very spoiled with a HP ZR30W (4.5 years old) 2560x1600 and really want a bigger monitor, but can tolerate only so much screen quality downgrade. (I'm not doing any work related color.)
I had one of the 28" TN 4K monitors released last fall I couldn't tolerate the way colors were so dramatically different between the top and the bottom the screen. It was unavoidably noticeable to me, like a shoe that just doesn't fit right no matter how nice it looks on the outside.
I'm very spoiled with a HP ZR30W (4.5 years old) 2560x1600 and really want a bigger monitor, but can tolerate only so much screen quality downgrade. (I'm not doing any work related color.)
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I don't like this part of the description:
*Caution: This monitor has huge pixels, and 4~6 DEAD PIXELS are NORMAL from manufacturer.
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wut. Its a damn 4k panel..
also 4-6 isn't acceptable. Hope that's not what seiki is saying, maybe just some random BS line from a third party.
That line was from the Crossover monitor, not the Seiki
4-6 isn't bad at all. 4k is basically 4 1080p panels, 4 dead pixels is one per panel, that's really not bad.
From my point of view EVEN ONE is unacceptable!
And for near 1000$ I expect 100% quality and not to look for bad pixels...
Luckily here in EU it is the law, that i can return product from e-shop in 2 weeks without reason -> so i returned every display with bad pixel despite stupid loose manufacturers `quality norms`
What will be the next? Memory modules with few bits not working? (they have gigabites of cells working so few bits is just tiny fraction)
My Seiki has zero dead pixels for what its worth. That doesn't mean they all will, but it means they made at least one of them correctly at least. The quality of this panel actually seems to be really good. I haven't seen any of the color banding that is present on the Philips and the stand is solid metal. So far I'm really pleased with my purchase.
From my point of view EVEN ONE is unacceptable!
And for near 1000$ I expect 100% quality and not to look for bad pixels...
Luckily here in EU it is the law, that i can return product from e-shop in 2 weeks without reason -> so i returned every display with bad pixel despite stupid loose manufacturers `quality norms`
What will be the next? Memory modules with few bits not working? (they have gigabites of cells working so few bits is just tiny fraction)
You do realize computer parts are a prime example of this right? Hard drives are often using higher density platters whose total capacity is greater than the drive is actually labeled as. But a portion of the platter is defective so it is used in a lower capacity drive where they don't use the bad portion. Gpu and cpus are often all the same die and the lower core/cache/speed is often to compensate for some defective portion of the die.
Which Samsung model is this? If it is the one I am thinking of than all the extra color enhancing features are turned off in PC mode rite? Otherwise in other modes you will get over 50-60ms input lag rite?
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Heh, of course - if the LCD manufacturers can develope technology of `reallocating` or `masking` of bad pixels it will be the same!!!
Or if they sell damaged pieces for much lower price like GPU or CPU manufacturers (with some rules likes `no bad pixel in central area` where it is most annoying... cpus and gpus can't have the defect in some critical parts too)
What LCD manufacturers do is to SELL DAMAGED GOODS FOR FULL PRICE!
Heh, of course - if the LCD manufacturers can develope technology of `reallocating` or `masking` of bad pixels it will be the same!!!
Or if they sell damaged pieces for much lower price like GPU or CPU manufacturers (with some rules likes `no bad pixel in central area` where it is most annoying... cpus and gpus can't have the defect in some critical parts too)
What LCD manufacturers do is to SELL DAMAGED GOODS FOR FULL PRICE!
You're expecting a 3rd rate manufacturer to sell something with 100% quality?.... These panels are most likely the B grade panels with the A grade panels going to a 1st tier manufacturers, or these are just a cheap panel that is "ok" that seiki is sourcing. Seiki is not a quality brand, expecting 100% quality from them is like expecting Walmart cola to be as good as coke and being disappointed when its not. I think you have a faulty idea of what is considered damaged and what is considered lower quality...
Agree, and feel that's why this Seiki "Pro" line should have the 40" msrp at $599 or right around there.
Simply no way, shape, or form, that one of these would be an equal/better choice than the 2015 Samsung line at the same size, same price, which means they've got to lower the prices to make it a competition at all.
Given Seiki's history of pricing, they will probably fall to this price pretty quick.
I don't see these falling quickly as the old seiki had limitations, mainly it's a tv and only 30hz at 4k. These no longer have these limitations, on top of it any other 4k at 60hz currently sold in the US requires a gtx 960, 970, or 980, or titan x to operate at 60hz. The new seiki allows most people with a display port to get 60hz.
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I think you can pretty much count on the price on these not falling until there something comparable in the space going for less. They clearly don't see the Philips as competition, and I do think they've got Philips beat on design for use as a computer monitor.
The Samsung, priced the same, is still primarily a TV, and therefore lacks all the features you'd expect from a "pro" monitor (displayport, usb ports, adjustable stand). Seiki are kind of alone in the market at the moment, and so there's just no reason for them to be aggressive on price. The moment something comparable comes out, then we'll see prices move around to compensate.
I was really intent on getting the 40" JU6700, but I really want a pro monitor with usb ports and an more standard monitor stand. I've decided to hold off and wait for the 980ti to drop. I'll take a look at the landscape again. Hopefully by then there's more competition and either the Seiki is cheaper or there's something superior.
The Samsung, priced the same, is still primarily a TV, and therefore lacks all the features you'd expect from a "pro" monitor (displayport, usb ports, adjustable stand). Seiki are kind of alone in the market at the moment, and so there's just no reason for them to be aggressive on price. The moment something comparable comes out, then we'll see prices move around to compensate.
I was really intent on getting the 40" JU6700, but I really want a pro monitor with usb ports and an more standard monitor stand. I've decided to hold off and wait for the 980ti to drop. I'll take a look at the landscape again. Hopefully by then there's more competition and either the Seiki is cheaper or there's something superior.
Maybe they send all `A grade` panels to `bellybutton of the world` ->USA, because here in Europe i bough 3 32" monitors (like Benq) in last half year and EVERY has bad pixel(s)!
And is you look for some `bad pixel warranties` that `quality companies` offer- they are 99% worthless (for example they offer warranty of NO `shinning` bad pixel on VA or IPS types, where pixels default is black and i personaly see no `bad pixel` stuck in active state in my 20+ years experiences)
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My Samsung 6700 has USB 3.0 and 2.0 ports. Displayport becomes a tradeoff when you have HDMI 2.0. As for the stand, that's what VESA mounts are for. They all need it.
I think you guys need to do more research. These Seiki and Phillips offerings are far from prosumer grade.
I understand your point and I am not saying you are wrong. However, there is presumably a pending upgrade to the Seiki Pro line already planned. If this is accurate, anyone in the know would have plausible reason to respectfully disagree and therefore expect a future price drop on the currently available model:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/seiki-ultrahd-monitors-muse-streaming,28418.html
If this is accurate then the successor or upgraded version to the current SM40UNP might take on the same pricing while the then replaced version might take on a lower price.
That doesn't mean it will be a drastic price drop like what we have seen with the previous models of Seiki 4K UHD TVs but I don't see how Seiki could keep the price the same for both versions,....
Personally I'll wait for the upgraded version before dropping any money on this. I just hope that the SM32UNP pricing is reasonably lower then the SM40UNP or there wouldn't be much reason to go with the smaller 32" version.
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Found a cheaper price:
http://www.bonanza.com/listings/Seiki-Pro-SM40UNP-40-0-Inch-Screen-LED-Lit-Monitor/247758081
http://www.bonanza.com/listings/Seiki-Pro-SM40UNP-40-0-Inch-Screen-LED-Lit-Monitor/247758081
Hmm let's see...save $50 or get 2 day shipping and no hassle return policy. Decisions decisions.
I ordered on Saturday and got mine today, it's glorious and beastly. The stand is as bad as everyone is saying. The monitor has a serious lean to the right but surprisingly enough, the height is just about perfect. I will try placing some objects underneath on the right hand side to prop it up a bit and see if it's workable, otherwise look into another stand.
Driving it with 2 x 780 EVGA Classified's, not overclocked (and not the ti). Framerates on the handful of games that I've tried are great, and the PQ is on par with the LG 34UM95 that it replaces. The width of these two monitors is nearly identical, with the Seiki gaining just under 7" vertically. For comparison purposes, here are the two monitors side-by-side in case anyone is curious.
Update - Really enjoying the size of this beast, ordered a Humanscale M8 monitor arm, it's what we use at work and rated @ 40lbs so should be sufficient. The existing stand actually isn't that terrible, and after putting it next to my Dell, it looks to be levelled out, maybe just needed to settle for a few days, not sure. Haven't calibrated but do have a Spyder Pro 4 and will break it in for a few more days then run the calibration. Haven't noticed any glitches with resolution changes / reverting to 30hz that others have noted. Color uniformity appears to be decent, have done several of the online tests looking for flaws , pwm, blur, etc... and there are no fatal issues IMO but perhaps others with more cultured tastes in monitors could find some. Overall am very pleased.
Obligatory final resting place shot, next to a Dell 2412M setup vertically, may get another to flank it on the left, but am afraid of drawing even more wife agro
Oh and I removed the post-it pads propping up the stand on the right-hand side. It subjectively looks level but is about 1/10th of a bubble out of level (sloping downward to the right). 
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Great picture. Too bad for the stand though.
Can you use this SST monitor in MST mode ? I have 2 HDMI 1.4 connections and would like to get 4k@60Hz.
What I am trying to achieve is described in a post here :
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1735590&page=2
What I am trying to achieve is described in a post here :
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1735590&page=2
So about that 30" monitor. Won't be released until the 3rd quarter of this year.
https://www.facebook.com/seikidigital/posts/835896933162715
https://www.facebook.com/seikidigital/posts/835896933162715
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Really loving this monitor! It's much easier on the eyes than 4k at 28". Does anyone have a recommendation for a good height adjustable stand for this thing?
Ergotron is probably the gold standard, but quite expensive - their MX model seems about right for this monitor (it's ~18lbs). Most of the aftermarket "stands" i.e. not clamped to your desk are rated for upto 27-28" monitors, but if you check weight and height, and do not need pivoting capabilities, you might be OK.
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Ergotron arms are great but someone in another thread discovered the HP-branded ones that are identical and much cheaper.
For example, the Ergotron LX, which was probably the #1 recommended arm for the Philips 40", has an HP equivalent at roughly 2/3 the cost:
Ergotron
HP (was under $100 a few days ago)
For example, the Ergotron LX, which was probably the #1 recommended arm for the Philips 40", has an HP equivalent at roughly 2/3 the cost:
Ergotron
HP (was under $100 a few days ago)
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I am surprised this monitor is not more popular. This really is a quality 4K monitor.
Crossover 44k, AMH A399U, and possibly the PCPOP-PP-039UHD4K (haven't seen any third party confirmation on this one).
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Is it worth getting this monitor over the AMH A399U? I just saw the review from teksyndicate and it looks good, especially for $600. Although I don't how I feel about getting a monitor from south korea.
Get the A399U. It's not really worth it for the Phillips IMO. They use the same panels. I had the Crossover 44k.. which is a different Korean version of the same panel.
thinking about getting one of these, and after reading this thread
any updates from users would be appreciated
1- is 10 bit color, the 6 bit at first was a typo ?
2- how are they holding up, any RMA's, and how is Seiki to deal with on warranty
and are any other 40 inch 4k screen on the way soon
but got to get something soon fury drops dvi and my hp lp3065 olny has dvi and is starting to go after 8 years
any updates from users would be appreciated
1- is 10 bit color, the 6 bit at first was a typo ?
2- how are they holding up, any RMA's, and how is Seiki to deal with on warranty
and are any other 40 inch 4k screen on the way soon
but got to get something soon fury drops dvi and my hp lp3065 olny has dvi and is starting to go after 8 years