390X coming soon few weeks

n=1 said:
I read your entire post. But see 980 Ti's price makes even less sense if Fiji is crap, because now you're just pissing away your margins for no good reason at all.

Or maybe I understood your post wrong?
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I think maybe I misread your post. :p

But, I was saying in the second part of my post that maybe Nvidia know that Fiji is crap and that they just don't care anymore, so now it's about volume sales, get as much product sold as possible. And they know that when Fiji does come out people will be so unimpressed that they will flock to the 980ti. Hence the $649 price instead of $699 or $749.

Needless to say I hope this isn't the reason :D
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
Nvidia released their Kepler driver today.
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Oh nice, thanks for the update. Don't ever remember a driver being released on a Sunday before, Fiji must have the suits worried. But even if the new driver delivered, the seed of doubt has already been planted. Sucks it couldn't have been a game ready driver for Witcher 3 and more than a little worrisome that it took thousands of posts on Nvidias own forums before it couldn't be ignored any longer.
 
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reaper12 said:
I think maybe I misread your post. :p

But, I was saying in the second part of my post that maybe Nvidia know that Fiji is crap and that they just don't care anymore, so now it's about volume sales, get as much product sold as possible. And they know that when Fiji does come out people will be so unimpressed that they will flock to the 980ti. Hence the $649 price instead of $699 or $749.

Needless to say I hope this isn't the reason :D
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Ah I see. Yeah I guess that kind of makes sense. Lower margins @ (much) bigger volume = more net profit in the end.

Although, *puts on tinfoil hat*, I think there might be a 3rd explanation: -- 980 Ti is 970 redux. :D:D
 
n=1 said:
Ah I see. Yeah I guess that kind of makes sense. Lower margins @ (much) bigger volume = more net profit in the end.

Although, *puts on tinfoil hat*, I think there might be a 3rd explanation: -- 980 Ti is 970 redux. :D:D
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Well, 970 had a 30% lower pixel fill rate than 980 while the difference between TX and 980ti is 15%.
 
BababooeyHTJ said:
Well, 970 had a 30% lower pixel fill rate than 980 while the difference between TX and 980ti is 15%.
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970 had 56 ROPs compared to 980's 64. Since the difference is 50% smaller, that means 980 Ti has 92 ROPs instead of Titan X's 96? :p

But seriously I hope somebody will get to the bottom of this.
 
n=1 said:
970 had 56 ROPs compared to 980's 64. Since the difference is 50% smaller, that means 980 Ti has 92 ROPs instead of Titan X's 96? :p

But seriously I hope somebody will get to the bottom of this.
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Theres already a 10% difference in texture units. So I'm not sure that the math works like that.

The difference in rops and cache poked its head in on most games with GTX970. I always wondered why the difference in performance was so large clock for clock. That doesn't seem to be the case here.
 
Oh man, the "I would never buy an AMD product but competition is good for the market" anti-propagandists are in full force tonight. Really tired of this shit.
Highlights:

I love my Intel/Nvidia combo, but without AMD, do you really think either of these companies would have products worth buying (for the price)?
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as a die hard nvidea enthusiast, I still love having AMD around.
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These people will hug their GeForces and shed a tear while AMD sinks like the Titanic. lmao.
"I don't want to buy AMD but I hope everyone else does". Screw these people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

We've reached a new era in fanboyism.
 
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SoulCreatr said:
You do not know a GF respun Hawaii with GCN 1.2 would get annihilated. Nobody knows that although lots of sketchy "benchmarks" around I am sure. Now, if they just bump clocks and rebadge it then sure it would not be a competitive product against the 980.

Also AMD should capitalize on the recent Kepler problems and market the hell out of how they support their products longer and they continue to improve. Such as the 780 being beaten by the 290 these days. I see the same thing in the cell phone industry where the old models are cast aside when the new ones come out (case in point: Samsung), but Apple and HTC continue to support older devices. This matters to some people, ask those Kepler owners how their performance has been stagnant since about the release of Maxwell.
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Fanboy alert! Yea nvidia beats amd right now. Annihilate? sure dream on lol.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
Oh man, the "I would never buy an AMD product but competition is good for the market" anti-propagandists are in full force tonight. Really tired of this shit.
Highlights:
These people will hug their GeForces and shed a tear while AMD sinks like the Titanic. lmao.
"I don't want to buy AMD but I hope everyone else does". Screw these people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

We've reached a new era in fanboyism.
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And these will be the same people who will blame AMD for "not being competitive enough" in the end.

The only thing I have to say is: put up or shut the fuck up. If you're soooooo concerned about AMD going under then show your support and buy a goddamn AMD card. What's that you say you're not a charity or AMD cards somehow don't work for you because of [insert reason]? Then STFU about "wanting AMD around" and "love competition". It's as simple as that.
 
I'm quite keen on purchasing AMD (have done so since the 2900XT) but I do feel they've taken a bit too long with this release. I'm quite keen on upgrading from my 290 now - I've had iterations of this card since late 2013.

The 980TI is looking mighty tempting. I'm just hoping the 390x performs well and is available to buy soon after announcement - if it's a paper launch with no stock till July/August then I don't know if I'll wait.
 
Wally Simmonds said:
I'm quite keen on purchasing AMD (have done so since the 2900XT) but I do feel they've taken a bit too long with this release. I'm quite keen on upgrading from my 290 now - I've had iterations of this card since late 2013.

The 980TI is looking mighty tempting. I'm just hoping the 390x performs well and is available to buy soon after announcement - if it's a paper launch with no stock till July/August then I don't know if I'll wait.
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I'd wait. The 980 ti does look tempting from the reviews (and about what we expected): Titan X performance for $650 and overclocks well. But there's no reason not to hold out another week or two -- 980 to will still be there if Fiji isn't what it's cracked up to be. Heck, even the three reviews ive read coming out today say to wait.
 
harmattan said:
I'd wait. The 980 ti does look tempting from the reviews (and about what we expected): Titan X performance for $650 and overclocks well. But there's no reason not to hold out another week or two -- 980 to will still be there if Fiji isn't what it's cracked up to be. Heck, even the three reviews ive read coming out today say to wait.
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You gotta hand it to Tom's:

So why not dust off our highest-of-the-high Editor’s Choice award? Call it the Fiji factor. AMD’s HBM-equipped answer to GM200, or at least what we’re expecting to contend with Nvidia’s flagship GPU, is purportedly imminent. Without knowing how it’ll affect the enthusiast graphics space, we’re reluctant to declare a victor, as much as like the GeForce GTX 980 Ti. Though that might sound unfair to the star of today’s show, rest assured, a winner will be declared soon.
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No I don't take this as an endorsement of Fiji, but I'm still quite amazed they'd say something like that.
 
I think we can rest assured now that NVidia knows exactly what the performance of Fiji is and what AMD plans on selling it for, and they've priced 980 ti accordingly.

I'm going to make a call and say Fiji's out-of-the-box performance will be somewhere nestled in between 980 ti and Titan X and will cost around $750. The main question now is overclock-ability seeing as 980 ti can eek out upwards of 20% more performance from what reviews are showing (and from what we know about Maxwell).
 
harmattan said:
I think we can rest assured now that NVidia knows exactly what the performance of Fiji is and what AMD plans on selling it for, and they've priced 980 ti accordingly.

I'm going to make a call and say Fiji's out-of-the-box performance will be somewhere nestled in between 980 ti and Titan X and will cost around $750. The main question now is overclock-ability seeing as 980 ti can eek out upwards of 20% more performance from what reviews are showing (and from what we know about Maxwell).
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Isn't the performance difference in most of the reviews only about 3%. So Fiji falling right in the middle of that seems weird. My guess is if they are charging more for it is because it is faster which would technically make it faster than the titan x also since that 3% can tecnically be considered the margin of error.
 
harmattan said:
I think we can rest assured now that NVidia knows exactly what the performance of Fiji is and what AMD plans on selling it for, and they've priced 980 ti accordingly.

I'm going to make a call and say Fiji's out-of-the-box performance will be somewhere nestled in between 980 ti and Titan X and will cost around $750. The main question now is overclock-ability seeing as 980 ti can eek out upwards of 20% more performance from what reviews are showing (and from what we know about Maxwell).
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Issue is the boost tech cant sustain the power draw when gaming so it downclocks.
the review performance vs what you recive when gaming isnt accurate.
its a PR game Nvidia does and is decieving.
 
reaper12 said:
I think maybe I misread your post. :p

But, I was saying in the second part of my post that maybe Nvidia know that Fiji is crap and that they just don't care anymore, so now it's about volume sales, get as much product sold as possible. And they know that when Fiji does come out people will be so unimpressed that they will flock to the 980ti. Hence the $649 price instead of $699 or $749.

Needless to say I hope this isn't the reason :D
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As I see there are two options.

Fiji is slightly slower that Titan X but if Nvidia had only Titan on the market then everyone would be still singing praises for them since they offer Titan like performance for less.

Fiji is as fast or faster then Titan - then by undercutting it a bit Nvidia has Fiji like card for less

.Either way situation is uncomfortable for AMD as they might be forced to make pricecuts before cards are even released or risk unfavourable reviews.
 
Flopper said:
Issue is the boost tech cant sustain the power draw when gaming so it downclocks.
the review performance vs what you recive when gaming isnt accurate.
its a PR game Nvidia does and is decieving.
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The handful of reviews out there are showing around 200mhz stable (1200mhz) sustained overclock on the core -- this is not with boost (which would be around 1400mhz).
 
Titan X like performance @ ~$350 USD less. Hmm AMD have a big hill to climb here, I will kind of feel sorry for them if this HBM Fiji XT cannot even beat a GDDR5 gpu.
 
Michaelius said:
As I see there are two options.

Fiji is slightly slower that Titan X but if Nvidia had only Titan on the market then everyone would be still singing praises for them since they offer Titan like performance for less.

Fiji is as fast or faster then Titan - then by undercutting it a bit Nvidia has Fiji like card for less

.Either way situation is uncomfortable for AMD as they might be forced to make pricecuts before cards are even released or risk unfavourable reviews.
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There is a scenario which you have not considered. Fiji (and in fact the whole R9 3xx stack) is so good that Fiji Pro (3584 or 3840 sp) is as fast as Titan-X and Fiji XT with 4096 sp and 8 GB HBM is the new King of the Hill aka Radeon Fury :D . The problem I see is people are thinking AMD has no further architectural improvements in R9 3xx series to what they did in Tonga aka R9 285. In fact I believe the changes to Tonga where to allow performance scaling when the shader core and efficiency was improved (which was the next logical step in their GPU design anyway). Anyway I have made a speculative post at ocn based on leaks and if you want you can read it. By June 24th we will know whether AMD has taken the GPU crown decisively. :)

http://www.overclock.net/t/1558034/r9-r7-3xx-series-architectural-and-performance-speculation
 
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I'm pretty sure Fiji will beat 980ti, but how much will it cost? I can't believe they let Nvidia launch Ti without counter punch... crazy. I mean zero fucking info to this moment.
 
GibsonEX said:
I'm pretty sure Fiji will beat 980ti, but how much will it cost? I can't believe they let Nvidia launch Ti without counter punch... crazy. I mean zero fucking info to this moment.
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was no info on 980ti until there was.
Leaks plugged on both sides
 
New card hits the market. Everyone starts to post about how AMD needs to release their card ASAP. Been the same thing since the 980 came out.


While I'm over here just waiting for a badass monitor to come out. I almost pulled the trigger on the Acer Predator XR341CK 34". I have zero reason to upgrade my video card until I'm playing at higher than my current resolution of 1080p or 5760x1080, but usually just single monitor gaming for me these days.

2016 will be my year to upgrade it appears. Skylake or Zen, next gen HBM cards, mainstream ddr4, and 4k 60+hz monitors.
 
The 980ti is slower than nvidia's last titan card. So... Aside from the effect of a price cut for nvidia, there is surprisingly little to talk about this card.

At this point, I'm also looking for a good monitor before upgrading cards...
 
I don't know if I would call it "slower" lol, it's such small percentages it's practically the difference you can get from one benchmark to another on the same card (or between 2 x the same card but with a different sticker on it :) )
 
Yakk said:
The 980ti is slower than nvidia's last titan card. So... Aside from the effect of a price cut for nvidia, there is surprisingly little to talk about this card.

At this point, I'm also looking for a good monitor before upgrading cards...
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It's definitely not slower than Titan Black (is this the "last Titan" to which you are referring?), and when it's Maxwell overclocking potential comes into play the distance gets wider.

We all were relatively sure what the 980 ti was going to be months ago, the only question mark was the price. I'd say it's a pretty dang good card for $650.

I'm hoping Fiji is as good or a bit better for the same or less cost. However, even if it is, I just can't see myself being limited to 4GB for a card I plan on owning for the next 1 1/2 - 2 years. I'm going to hold off, but 980 ti may very well be my next card due to the 6GB VRAM.
 
harmattan said:
It's definitely not slower than Titan Black (is this the "last Titan" to which you are referring?), and when it's Maxwell overclocking potential comes into play the distance gets wider.
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Wha?? Where have you been for the last 3 months?
 
harmattan said:
It's definitely not slower than Titan Black (is this the "last Titan" to which you are referring?), and when it's Maxwell overclocking potential comes into play the distance gets wider.

We all were relatively sure what the 980 ti was going to be months ago, the only question mark was the price. I'd say it's a pretty dang good card for $650.

I'm hoping Fiji is as good or a bit better for the same or less cost. However, even if it is, I just can't see myself being limited to 4GB for a card I plan on owning for the next 1 1/2 - 2 years. I'm going to hold off, but 980 ti may very well be my next card due to the 6GB VRAM.
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I was referring to the Titan x card. Price is relative, $650 looks good next to $1,000. It's excellent marketing by nvidia to be sure to put $650 in this context. I was just noting this seems more a price cut than a product launch per say after the initial price gouging took place.

I may be waiting this one out. The selection of 4K screens has not been what I am looking for yet and my CF 280x cards are handling just about everything well right now. I will see what Fiji has in store, the 4GB HBM may or may not be straight comparable to 4GB DDR5. It'll depend on the implementation, I'm quite curious about this.

So for me it's a combination of monitors and cards that will decide on the upgrade time, no rush after waiting this long...
 
New chiphell leak. Already proven fake; wrong device ID.
http://www.chiphell.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1302682&page=2&authorid=77139

It shows 8 GB HBM however.

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