390X coming soon few weeks

SilverSliver said:
My cards do 1200 on air. More on WC with volts is not surprising. If you have the cooling headroom with water, sane voltage is a bit different.
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No offense but no way are you doing 1200mhz steady on air unless you wear ear muffs. My loop with a 60mm thick 420 and 80mm thick 240 threw out a lot of heat once I started playing with voltage with 2x 290x in crossfire.

I wouldn't go running a 20% voltage bump on cards that power hungry 24/7.

[H] couldn't even get their Asus DC2 review sample to hit much over 1100mhz with 1.35v.

1200mhz on air is way outside of the norm. Especially in crossfire.

Don't quote numbers like that as if thats what people can expect to see. Can it happen? Yeah, but its way outside of the norm. Just my opinion.

Maybe something is a little different now than the cards that people like myself were buying at launch. IDK, would surprise me.
 
BababooeyHTJ said:
No offense but no way are you doing 1200mhz steady on air unless you wear ear muffs. My loop with a 60mm thick 420 and 80mm thick 240 threw out a lot of heat once I started playing with voltage with 2x 290x in crossfire.

I wouldn't go running a 20% voltage bump on cards that power hungry 24/7.

[H] couldn't even get their Asus DC2 review sample to hit much over 1100mhz with 1.35v.

1200mhz on air is way outside of the norm. Especially in crossfire.

Don't quote numbers like that as if thats what people can expect to see. Can it happen? Yeah, but its way outside of the norm. Just my opinion.

Maybe something is a little different now than the cards that people like myself were buying at launch. IDK, would surprise me.
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I didn't say they ran those voltages in crossfire. I checked maximum overclock on each card, individually, before putting them in. They sit at 1100/1500 with +31mv in crossfire. Tri-X cooler is a lot quieter and better than the DC2.
 
SilverSliver said:
I didn't say they ran those voltages in crossfire. I checked maximum overclock on each card, individually, before putting them in. They sit at 1100/1500 with +31mv in crossfire. Tri-X cooler is a lot quieter and better than the DC2.
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Not denying that. Those non-reference coolers are also tough to run in sli/cf though. I've always had to find a way to force air inbetween the cards to not get the top one to overheat. Even in my HAF932 with four fans in the side panel I had to run them at 1900rpm or close to it if I wanted to get the cards at similar temps.

The difference between 1200mhz and 1100 is a 9% overclock. For me it took a large voltage bump to get anywhere near that. To me it wasn't worth the extra stress on my system to use 24/7 even on water.
 
I think the point is that these OCs are achievable. Never have I seen someone write off someone else's OCs because they themselves couldn't reach that OC. Its common knowledge all cards are going to clock differently. The idea that we can assume certain GPUs can hit certain frequencies regularly is just foolish.
 
A quick test doesn't mean solid 24/7 stable game clocks, I'm sorry man.

{NG}Fidel said:
The idea that we can assume certain GPUs can hit certain frequencies regularly is just foolish.
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Generally you can if you're being realistic. The majority of cards are going to be within 100mhz of what they can achieve. Although cooling can make a difference.

How do you think that Intel, AMD, and Nvidia pick the clocks on their hardware? Its not out of a hat.

I had three 7950s that I could reliably hit a 40% overclock without much of a voltage bump.

Implying that 290x hitting 1300mhz at voltages that people would use 24/7 is ridiculous imo. Even 1200 mhz is debatable with how much of a voltage bump these cards tend to require for that.

So there is a difference between can they hit those frequencies and are people actually using them in game.
 
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I would never OC an AMD card, just guarantees it dies even faster than it already would have.
Nvidia, go all out. My last green card was the 8800 GTX though. I put one of these beasts on it:

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{NG}Fidel said:
I think the point is that these OCs are achievable. Never have I seen someone write off someone else's OCs because they themselves couldn't reach that OC. Its common knowledge all cards are going to clock differently. The idea that we can assume certain GPUs can hit certain frequencies regularly is just foolish.
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I’m on a good and very quiet water setup but I’ve have never had much luck with over clocks. Many games are unstable as it and an OC just seems to make it worse. With the 290x cards I thought I had a 10% OC but I’d get random artifacts. More voltage with Afterburner did not help and I had to keep lowering the OC. I was over clocking the RAM also but when one of the new drivers came out I could no longer OC the RAM without issues. The RAM OC never seemed to do anything though. I read through many guides but it just never really worked out. I’d have trouble with Afterburner or crossfire or certain games and I’d keep wondering if I wasn’t hurrying the GPUs to an early grave. But you look on line and everyone seems to boast big OC and no issues. I guess I’m holding it wrong and or never get a good chip. :(
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
I would never OC an AMD card, just guarantees it dies even faster than it already would have.
Nvidia, go all out. My last green card was the 8800 GTX though. I put one of these beasts on it:

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not sure what you're talking about, or if your just trolling :) every AMD card I have had, I ran OC'd 24/7, I have only had 1 die, and 1 was faulty from the get go, and I've had a lot of cards!(Both AMD and NV)

EG my 7970 ran 1125/1500, my 290x ran 1100/1500 , my 970 runs at (1500boost)/7800memory 24/7
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
I would never OC an AMD card, just guarantees it dies even faster than it already would have.
Nvidia, go all out. My last green card was the 8800 GTX though. I put one of these beasts on it:

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Yea my 8800GT died a horrible death because of the heat and horrible cooler EVGA had on it.

I never killed any of my AMD Card's from overclocking. Hell right now my girlfriend is using an Asus 280x with a Arctic cooler heatsink on it. 1200/1800 on the card been like that for over a year and not 1 issue.

I think it's more a user problem then it is a company problem.

The only card I had to ever send back to RMA that I killed was a 6990 because I tried mining the first time and I had no idea what I was doing. That was when people mined bitcoins, and I think they were around $10 a bitcoin.
 
AMD always seems to almost over-engineer the pwm on their cards.

I still don't like to overvolt the piss out of my cards though.
 
Hehehe, my launch day 5870 is still going at 1 ghz. That's counting over 5 years 24/7 use either mining or milkyway DC project. Still works even if I retired it now to a backup rig. My CF R9 280x cards at 1.2 GHz are still going fine.

As for HBM, well it's new technology so delays can happen. But in this case the delay does not seem tied to the tech itself, but rather politics.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
I would never OC an AMD card, just guarantees it dies even faster than it already would have.
Nvidia, go all out. My last green card was the 8800 GTX though. I put one of these beasts on it:

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I guess you forgot about Nvidias faulty chips that caused almost every last one of them in that generation to die from heat problems?

First it was the mobile chips in ~2008 or so, and later even the 8800 and 9800 series cards started dropping like flies.

The last of them were dying off in 2010 or so.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041622977 said:
I guess you forgot about Nvidias faulty chips that caused almost every last one of them in that generation to die from heat problems?

First it was the mobile chips in ~2008 or so, and later even the 8800 and 9800 series cards started dropping like flies.

The last of them were dying off in 2010 or so.
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He wasn't being serious.

I realize it is the internet, but TS's posting history takes about a minute to figure.
 
jackstar7 said:
He wasn't being serious.

I realize it is the internet, but TS's posting history takes about a minute to figure.
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Serious about what?
I'm totally serious about OCing on AMD cards. I own 7 of them going all the way back to the HD3000 series and they're all running factory clocks.

I might consider OCing Tonga/Pitcairn if I had one. Tahiti & Hawaii, no way. They're just too unstable/hot at stock clocks. Even AMD's partners can't get Tahiti stable out of the box. I made a thread about it last week.

If I had to guess: Nvidia's boards are higher quality, the partners don't cut corners on them because of their high sales numbers. They cheap out on AMD boards thanks to AMD's lowly 20% marketshare. If a faulty Nvidia card ships to market, you have THREE TIMES as many being returned vs AMD.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
Serious about what?
I'm totally serious about OCing on AMD cards. I own 7 of them going all the way back to the HD3000 series and they're all running factory clocks.

I might consider OCing Tonga/Pitcairn if I had one. Tahiti & Hawaii, no way. They're just too unstable/hot at stock clocks. Even AMD's partners can't get Tahiti stable out of the box. I made a thread about it last week.

If I had to guess: Nvidia's boards are higher quality, the partners don't cut corners on them because of their high sales numbers. They cheap out on AMD boards thanks to AMD's lowly 20% marketshare. If a faulty Nvidia card ships to market, you have THREE TIMES as many being returned vs AMD.
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Your card is not stable at factory clock? (i realize its factory oc)
 
primetime said:
Your card is not stable at factory clock? (i realize its factory oc)
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Mine is, but many aren't. That seems to be a Tahiti related problem though.

I also forgot to mention, I trust EVGA's RMA service more than any of my current AMD manufacturers. If I owned XFX cards then I might consider pushing them harder. If my Sapphire dies, I'm basically screwed... But at least it's not ASUS.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
Mine is, but many aren't. That seems to be a Tahiti related problem though.

I also forgot to mention, I trust EVGA's RMA service more than any of my current AMD manufacturers. If I owned XFX cards then I might consider pushing them harder. If my Sapphire dies, I'm basically screwed... But at least it's not ASUS.
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I had multiple 7970s and 280x cards, every single one of them oc'd . 24/7 stable. Not sure what you're going on about.
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
I had multiple 7970s and 280x cards, every single one of them oc'd . 24/7 stable. Not sure what you're going on about.
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It's anecdotal. There's someone out there who probably had three faulty 7970's/280X's in a row. I personally had two but they were both the same ASUS 280X DCII model.

Did you kill some of your AMD/ATI cards due to previous overclock or you just don't feel comfortable doing it?
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Knowing what I know about AMD hardware I don't feel comfortable doing it.
None of my AMD cards have failed on me during their lifetime. I had one DoA Diamond 3870 (capacitor fell off in the box) and two unstable ASUS cards I mentioned above.

My 5870 is also slightly unstable at its factory OC as well, I had to downclock it 50 MHz to get it stable again, but it's also about 4 years old.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
Serious about what?
I'm totally serious about OCing on AMD cards. I own 7 of them going all the way back to the HD3000 series and they're all running factory clocks.

I might consider OCing Tonga/Pitcairn if I had one. Tahiti & Hawaii, no way. They're just too unstable/hot at stock clocks. Even AMD's partners can't get Tahiti stable out of the box. I made a thread about it last week.

If I had to guess: Nvidia's boards are higher quality, the partners don't cut corners on them because of their high sales numbers. They cheap out on AMD boards thanks to AMD's lowly 20% marketshare. If a faulty Nvidia card ships to market, you have THREE TIMES as many being returned vs AMD.
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I've never had a GPU fail on me despite running at least a mild overclock on all of them. I've owned:

Some old #DFX Voodoo cards, ATI Radeon 64mb DDR, ATI Radeon 9800pro, ATI Radeon X800 (I seem to recall flashing bios on this to unlock it further on top of overclock), Nvidia 8800GT, ATI Radeon 5850, AMD Radeon 7950, and now an AMD Radeon 290X.

I'm probably missing a card or two in there as my memory sucks but the ones above for sure. Maybe I've just been lucky but I have a hard time believing none of the 7 AMD/ATI cards you own can run a stable OC without failing whereas all mine were achieving a fairly average overclock with no problem sometimes with 3 years of service before my upgrading (Just replaced a 3 year old 7950).

I haven't messed with the 290X much yet at the moment but a 1100Mhz OC seemed perfectly stable and topped out around 86c without running any special fan profile during my limited game testing. I have less and less time to mess with this stuff these days and no games really pushing the boundaries at the moment but I don't yet know what the limit on the OC of my 290X is right now. I own a powercolor similar to this one: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/03/30/powercolor_pcs_r9_290x_video_card_review/1#.VWO19E_BzGc

Did you kill some of your AMD/ATI cards due to previous overclock or you just don't feel comfortable doing it?
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
It's anecdotal. There's someone out there who probably had three faulty 7970's/280X's in a row. I personally had two but they were both the same ASUS 280X DCII model.


Knowing what I know about AMD hardware I don't feel comfortable doing it.
None of my AMD cards have failed on me during their lifetime. I had one DoA Diamond 3870 (capacitor fell off in the box) and two unstable ASUS cards I mentioned above.

My 5870 is also slightly unstable at its factory OC as well, I had to downclock it 50 MHz to get it stable again, but it's also about 4 years old.
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I guess I can shoot the same argument back to you. Just because you had issues, doesn't mean everyone did.
 
The only card that ever died on me was my 8800GTX with that aftermarket cooler I'd put on (just like what the poster, upstream, showed.) Baking didn't resurrect it.

As far as AMD cards, the 390X hasn't let me down yet. ;) But then, I'm still waiting for the reviews.
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
I guess I can shoot the same argument back to you. Just because you had issues, doesn't mean everyone did.
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I'm just basing my opinion on what I know about the 280X. Their return rates, the faulty OC's, the failures in the field, etc. Hawaii I wouldn't touch simply because it's such a power-hungry beast out of the box. Too much heat for me, and I live in Florida.
 
But the pwm failing on GTX570 and 590 didn't happen? Fans failing on GTX670? Coil whine on many GTX670 and 970 models?
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
I would never OC an AMD card, just guarantees it dies even faster than it already would have.
Nvidia, go all out. My last green card was the 8800 GTX though.
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BababooeyHTJ said:
Lol
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Well...

Lets see ...

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AH! Here we go, from [H]'s own GTX 590 review thread :

Brent_Justice said:
Starting overclock testing now *crosses fingers*

I've never been more nervous about overclocking a video card before *readies fire extinguisher*

ASUS though has been testing in house with VoltageTweak and has found a good range that works for them, we will see. And I'm actually using the correct driver, heh.
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:p
 
This has got to be the dumbest thread title. How many weeks has it been now? Its like making a thread saying 8xx series coming soon in few years....
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
I'm just basing my opinion on what I know about the 280X. Their return rates, the faulty OC's, the failures in the field, etc. Hawaii I wouldn't touch simply because it's such a power-hungry beast out of the box. Too much heat for me, and I live in Florida.
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Right, and when I did the same thing, you said it was anecdotal.

the funny thing is, your opinion is of the minority :) . the only 7970/280x that I know of having problems, was the XFX with it's non-existant PWM cooling.
 
Man that is embarrassing. Maxwell has been wrecking Hawaii and AMD is just going to keep it around. I was really hoping for baby Fijis or Big Daddy Tongas.

I guess this means I should start eyeballing 980s because it sounds like these are gonna be out of my price range.
 
BababooeyHTJ said:
Lol, where? And what sort of obscene voltage that no sane person would use day to day were they using?

My 2x 290x scaled horribly with core voltage on water. And thats mostly what I've heard other owners say on the forums.

Comments like this is why I ignore people's comments on overclocking on the forums. "Hey I was able to run prime for 15 minutes at this oc and this voltage!"

AMD tends to leave very little headroom on clocks other than 5870 and 7970.
My 4870, 6970, and 290x had very little overclocking headroom.
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Been running at 1300mhz core/ 1675mhz mem for almost 2 years now with +200 MV Offset on the core. Single card under water, temps don't go above 40c full load.

Crossfire setups don't overclock as well as single cards. It is the same case with Nvidia setups as well.
 
ebduncan said:
Been running at 1300mhz core/ 1675mhz mem for almost 2 years now with +200 MV Offset on the core. Single card under water, temps don't go above 40c full load.

Crossfire setups don't overclock as well as single cards. It is the same case with Nvidia setups as well.
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You have an extremely good sample.
 
The main draw back to buying non reference cards like xfx does is not being able to flash different community bios, using bios tools, lot of times aftermarket air/water coolers wont work, lots of times they skimp on stuff like dual bios with switch and some times there non reference coolers while quieter than reference blower coolers, they don't cool quite as well some times and in the past forgot about cooling vrms all to gether:eek:

xfx= low prices, great warranty, average to below average over clocks/ performance, great customer service
 
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