Office Puts Chips Under Staff's Skin

NeghVar said:
Are you trying to start a flame war?
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Of course he is. They always are when they make that kind of assertion.

Why not just respect our opinions of what this means for us and this world's future instead of personally attacking our opinion and beliefs.
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The internet is full of haters just waiting for an opportunity to be hateful to someone else. In their minds, tolerance and respect are concepts that only apply in one direction - you're expected to be tolerant and respectful of their hostile and bigoted attitudes, and how dare you ask the same in return. You're a sheep among wolves, my friend. Remember what you're really dealing with here.
 
kbrickley said:
Well, I was being mostly facetious :D

I am willing to support companies in demanding a fair amount of compliance from their employees (like mandating desirable personal behaviors like exercise and good diet and punishing undesirable personal behaviors like smoking and obesity ... even when they occur outside the office and on the employee's own time) ... I just think that a mildly invasive procedure to implant a chip is a little overboard ... I like RFID badges and I would support even an intrusive biometric procedure (like a blood sample), I am just not keen on being chipped for work

That said, if it was made universal so that ALL employers used the same chip and there was a national database that all the companies shared I might actually support this ... I just don't want to change chips every time I change jobs
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I figured you were which is why I quoted the one post. That said, your last statement here would be an example of something that is just plain scary. In the current system we have laws in place that prevent the sharing of information between employers about an employee. Chips that contained information would essentially eliminate that and not for the benefit of the employee.

OEM said:
The only way I would accept this is if they put it up my butt.
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Someone's a little freaky. :D

NeghVar said:
Are you trying to start a flame war? Why not just respect our opinions of what this means for us and this world's future instead of personally attacking our opinion and beliefs. Especially where you say "a book that has been proven to be 100% pure bullshit" That is quite hateful.
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No I'm not, but people coming into a thread instantly throwing out obscure references to some doom and gloom prophecy and trying to associate it with modern technology certainly is. There is nothing hateful about what I said, fact remains nothing in the bible is factually true and there is piles of evidence to that. The only argument people have trying to claim the bible is factual is it and faith which is simply put, the most dishonest position possible given it stands in direct denial of cold hard facts.

Phoenix333 said:
Of course he is. They always are when they make that kind of assertion.


The internet is full of haters just waiting for an opportunity to be hateful to someone else. In their minds, tolerance and respect are concepts that only apply in one direction - you're expected to be tolerant and respectful of their hostile and bigoted attitudes, and how dare you ask the same in return. You're a sheep among wolves, my friend. Remember what you're really dealing with here.
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See above, has nothing to do with hate. Simply being tired of certain groups trying to loosely connect their "beliefs" to anything even remotely related when their "beliefs" have been shot down over and over and over. If you want to believe in that stuff, more power to you, I don't really care. I care when people feel the need to try and scare people with terrible associations, especially when it comes from a book that has failed every single test for literal fact and is an outright plagiarism of numerous older religious texts.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
No I'm not, but people coming into a thread instantly throwing out obscure references to some doom and gloom prophecy and trying to associate it with modern technology certainly is. There is nothing hateful about what I said, fact remains nothing in the bible is factually true and there is piles of evidence to that. The only argument people have trying to claim the bible is factual is it and faith which is simply put, the most dishonest position possible given it stands in direct denial of cold hard facts.



See above, has nothing to do with hate. Simply being tired of certain groups trying to loosely connect their "beliefs" to anything even remotely related when their "beliefs" have been shot down over and over and over. If you want to believe in that stuff, more power to you, I don't really care. I care when people feel the need to try and scare people with terrible associations, especially when it comes from a book that has failed every single test for literal fact and is an outright plagiarism of numerous older religious texts.
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To each his own.
 
I feel like even my post might be off-topic here but I will make one quick note and then immediately drop the subject: I also don't feel that people should be making so many religious references on a technical forum. I've been seeing quite a lot of such references lately. I'm not religious and you can believe what you want but religion is always off-topic on this sort of forum and useless replies that reference it should be removed. Again, believe what you want, but keep your discussion about it to places where it is on topic and/or where people actually care about the subject.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
No I'm not, but people coming into a thread instantly throwing out obscure references to some doom and gloom prophecy and trying to associate it with modern technology certainly is. There is nothing hateful about what I said, fact remains nothing in the bible is factually true and there is piles of evidence to that. The only argument people have trying to claim the bible is factual is it and faith which is simply put, the most dishonest position possible given it stands in direct denial of cold hard facts.



See above, has nothing to do with hate. Simply being tired of certain groups trying to loosely connect their "beliefs" to anything even remotely related when their "beliefs" have been shot down over and over and over. If you want to believe in that stuff, more power to you, I don't really care. I care when people feel the need to try and scare people with terrible associations, especially when it comes from a book that has failed every single test for literal fact and is an outright plagiarism of numerous older religious texts.
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Given that science and reason - sound foundations according to your reasoning - has not done that great to make sure people stopped killing, exploiting, and make sure greed is a thing of the past, I guess it makes you just as big an ideologue.
But at least, the Bible has a longer history. And lets face it, man and their 'achievements' in the end might be summed up as a fart in the wind, if the current conditions are allowed to escalate.
 
I think people in this day and age are getting more and more lethargic about their privacy.
They keep talking how government is eroding their liberties, while at the same time, more and more are welcoming and accepting new tech fads and trends.
This isn't scientific. There is no basis or justification for this kind of nonsense. You cannot keep track of your crap? You need some gizmo implanted under your skin to make your life easier? I wonder; how did home sapiens stoop to a level of complete moronism(sic).
People usually make fun of country folk, and 3rd World people. But I know if this technology where the 'modern' society rest upon breaks down, they will become the de facto 3rd world, because they won't know how to do shit without their oh-so-prized technology!
 
aShrubbery! said:
I think people in this day and age are getting more and more lethargic about their privacy.
They keep talking how government is eroding their liberties, while at the same time, more and more are welcoming and accepting new tech fads and trends.
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While I would agree that many companies are doing far too much to violate our privacy and companies should not be allowed to share any information about us with anyone except valid information necessary for things like credit reports so we can get other loans in the future, I would say it's still worse for government. Private corporations don't arrest you for grinding up plants and smoking them in the comfort of your own home. Private corporations don't raid your house because your electricity bill went up or because your home looked warm from their helicopter or a tiny bit of snow on your roof melted. Governments, on the other hand, are constantly looking for any excuse to ruin your property, ruin your life, take your freedom, and generally put you in your place.
 
dandragonrage said:
While I would agree that many companies are doing far too much to violate our privacy and companies should not be allowed to share any information about us with anyone except valid information necessary for things like credit reports so we can get other loans in the future, I would say it's still worse for government. Private corporations don't arrest you for grinding up plants and smoking them in the comfort of your own home. Private corporations don't raid your house because your electricity bill went up or because your home looked warm from their helicopter or a tiny bit of snow on your roof melted. Governments, on the other hand, are constantly looking for any excuse to ruin your property, ruin your life, take your freedom, and generally put you in your place.
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Not to nitpick but the government is not an independent entity ... it reflects the will of its constituents ... drug laws (or other potentially criminal activities) are changed regularly based on the will of the people ... although I personally don't favor totally open acceptance of drugs I think the popular vote is heading that way and within 5-10 years we will have similar drug laws to Belgium and Holland (because that is what the majority will want and approve of) ... hopefully we will lighten up on the sexual frontiers as well and have more open laws there too ... but whatever the majority wants will stand (as that is how democracy works)
 
kbrickley said:
Not to nitpick but the government is not an independent entity ... it reflects the will of its constituents ... drug laws (or other potentially criminal activities) are changed regularly based on the will of the people ... although I personally don't favor totally open acceptance of drugs I think the popular vote is heading that way and within 5-10 years we will have similar drug laws to Belgium and Holland (because that is what the majority will want and approve of) ... hopefully we will lighten up on the sexual frontiers as well and have more open laws there too ... but whatever the majority wants will stand (as that is how democracy works)
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No, that is NOT how democracy works! Nobody that founded our country nor created the concept ever meant for it to be applied to social issues. Voting for elections and voting for necessary policies are not the same as voting for freedom and rights and the like.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority
 
dandragonrage said:
No, that is NOT how democracy works! Nobody that founded our country nor created the concept ever meant for it to be applied to social issues. Voting for elections and voting for necessary policies are not the same as voting for freedom and rights and the like.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority
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Unfortunately, they are not here to tell us what they intended. And interpretations can be very different even based on the same writings.

But, what you suggest is that there should be referenda on any issues that are of major interest to the people. Sadly, people - at least most of them - do not care enough to be bothered every week to take part in such.
 
dandragonrage said:
While I would agree that many companies are doing far too much to violate our privacy and companies should not be allowed to share any information about us with anyone except valid information necessary for things like credit reports so we can get other loans in the future, I would say it's still worse for government. Private corporations don't arrest you for grinding up plants and smoking them in the comfort of your own home. Private corporations don't raid your house because your electricity bill went up or because your home looked warm from their helicopter or a tiny bit of snow on your roof melted. Governments, on the other hand, are constantly looking for any excuse to ruin your property, ruin your life, take your freedom, and generally put you in your place.
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Abuses do happen, and they do happen with more governments than others.
But abuses also happen by private parties, by corporations, by rich individuals, and people and even government give them a tap on the wrist and let them get away with it sometimes.
Governments in the Western World, however, have shown to be accountable for their decisions, by their being replaced by another party or coalition, only to do similar mistakes. Which goes to what kbcikley said, that gov'ts are a representation of the populace. And since people make the same mistakes, the same governments tend to get elected.

That melting roof story - very interesting - showed that the government had a reason and was in the right to interfere. Which raises the question; you are not advocating that laws ought not to be respected, are you?
 
aShrubbery! said:
Unfortunately, they are not here to tell us what they intended. And interpretations can be very different even based on the same writings.

But, what you suggest is that there should be referenda on any issues that are of major interest to the people. Sadly, people - at least most of them - do not care enough to be bothered every week to take part in such.
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Here's the thing... and I can only speak for the US here... but the US government is not doing these things because it had the legal authority to do them. It is simply doing whatever it wants because it has grown so large, so powerful (especially with modern weaponry carried not just by our military but by police these days) and so corrupt. The government never had the authority to ban behaviors like smoking or drinking soda or eating candy. They are simply doing what they want while feeding us excuses about doing it for our own good. Some have even implied that it's okay because people have insurance and insurance shouldn't have to cover risky behavior. Okay. Well. You shouldn't be able to ride a motorcycle because it's risky. You shouldn't be able to skydive because it's risky. You shouldn't be able to have a swimming pool because they are risky - CHILDREN HAVE DROWNED. Almost all of the dangers today existed back when the US was founded and if those things were meant to be banned, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN BANNED INITIALLY.

And while the government does what it wants, it can't actually do anything to override the Constitution with their stupid Congressional laws. The whole point of the Constitution is to be very hard to override - to keep corruption out. A convention of states is needed to change the Constitution to override it. But the government doesn't care about that because it's too much work (which was by design) and they know that with modern weaponry owned by the police and the military, we absolutely cannot do anything about it except voting and voting correctly. And voting correctly means abolishing the idiotic idea that the president you voted for is "the lesser of two evils" - if you ever describe someone that way, you have voted for the wrong person.

Have I made the point sufficiently?
 
kbrickley said:
This from the person with Creepy in their name :p

I was only thinking of others :cool:
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Yeah, well you have the word brick in your name. Bricks are well-known as dangerously perverse objects that are often used to break windows and are found in buildings all over the world in which people live, performing uncountable numbers of disgusting, perverse things to each other. So I think my name is far less icky, considering the things people are using bricks to enable.
 
aShrubbery! said:
Abuses do happen, and they do happen with more governments than others.
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It's not about how often it happens. It's about the consequences when it happens. I'd gladly take identity theft or spam over getting arrested for a non-crime that my government has no authority to outlaw, but which it uses force to do anyway (as well as lots of our tax dollars to enforce it).

aShrubbery! said:
But abuses also happen by private parties, by corporations, by rich individuals, and people and even government give them a tap on the wrist and let them get away with it sometimes.
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I agree that corporations and rich people often get let off for real crimes far too often. That is definitely unacceptable.

aShrubbery! said:
Which goes to what kbcikley said, that gov'ts are a representation of the populace. And since people make the same mistakes, the same governments tend to get elected.
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I more or less agree that people are stupid for either not voting or for voting for the most stupid and most corrupt candidates. I vote for the right person as much as I can and I don't vote for "the lesser of two evils." I don't vote against someone because I don't think they will win when the alternative(s) is/are 100% definitely (a) corrupt asshole(s). That said, it's still to be expected that any public official do their job and follow the law, not do whatever they feel they can get away because power has been removed from the people.

aShrubbery! said:
That melting roof story - very interesting - showed that the government had a reason and was in the right to interfere. Which raises the question; you are not advocating that laws ought not to be respected, are you?
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I would say ignore any Unconstitutional law but you have to balance exercising your rights (your actual rights which the government has no authority to take) with the risk of corrupt politicians allowing corrupt police to arrest you (or even steal your money without arresting or charging you or finding you guilty of any crime.. via civil forfeiture). The link was about the Netherlands and I don't know if this is actually legal for them to do or if it is also just corruption there as it is in the US, but in any case it is completely unacceptable for any government to enter private property for this sort of reason. EVER. PERIOD.

We live 100 years at most and we don't have decades/centuries to wait for corrupt laws to successfully be challenged.
 
dandragonrage said:
Here's the thing... and I can only speak for the US here... but the US government is not doing these things because it had the legal authority to do them. It is simply doing whatever it wants because it has grown so large, so powerful (especially with modern weaponry carried not just by our military but by police these days) and so corrupt. The government never had the authority to ban behaviors like smoking or drinking soda or eating candy. They are simply doing what they want while feeding us excuses about doing it for our own good. Some have even implied that it's okay because people have insurance and insurance shouldn't have to cover risky behavior. Okay. Well. You shouldn't be able to ride a motorcycle because it's risky. You shouldn't be able to skydive because it's risky. You shouldn't be able to have a swimming pool because they are risky - CHILDREN HAVE DROWNED. Almost all of the dangers today existed back when the US was founded and if those things were meant to be banned, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN BANNED INITIALLY.

And while the government does what it wants, it can't actually do anything to override the Constitution with their stupid Congressional laws. The whole point of the Constitution is to be very hard to override - to keep corruption out. A convention of states is needed to change the Constitution to override it. But the government doesn't care about that because it's too much work (which was by design) and they know that with modern weaponry owned by the police and the military, we absolutely cannot do anything about it except voting and voting correctly. And voting correctly means abolishing the idiotic idea that the president you voted for is "the lesser of two evils" - if you ever describe someone that way, you have voted for the wrong person.

Have I made the point sufficiently?
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I don't disagree with your premise. I see where you're coming from. But that is just idealism. I cannot say there where any bad intentions penned in the US Constitution. It appears straightforward, displays common sense. Clearly, one could ask, what could could go wrong by following it? Well, people go wrong.

And while you touched on some issues about 'bad' government, you failed to address such issues as lobbying, i.e. spending money to 'petition' officials - called bribery in other countries - allow lobbyist to write legislation to favor their field. Allowing false information to circulate under the pretense that it is 'free speech'.

Anyway, what could go wrong? People go wrong!
 
aShrubbery! said:
And while you touched on some issues about 'bad' government, you failed to address such issues as lobbying, i.e. spending money to 'petition' officials - called bribery in other countries - allow lobbyist to write legislation to favor their field. Allowing false information to circulate under the pretense that it is 'free speech'.
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You're right that I didn't mention these things... I felt them off-topic. I actually agree with you that these things are all wrong and people should be held accountable - both the politicians accepting bribes and lobbyists/businessmen/rich people offering them. Unfortunately it is difficult to enforce this because people in government jobs mostly protect each other and they won't vote to hold themselves responsible. Not only is it unacceptable that lobbyists write legislation, but even worse, many Congressmen literally don't even read a law before voting on it - they vote based on the person/party that submitted it, based on what senior members of their own party tell them, or whatever other corrupt reason. And then there was all that "you have to pass it to know what's in it" super-corruption BS with the Affordable Care Act. Congressmen should be held responsible for even accepting a draft of a bill from a lobbyist and they should be held responsible for voting on something they didn't read (though that's hard to prove) and they should be held responsible for lots of other things.

I say in a lot of threads that I do mainly blame the general public for either not voting or voting stupidly (again, the "lesser of two evils" fallacy and similar BS).
 
dandragonrage said:
... The link was about the Netherlands and I don't know if this is actually legal for them to do or if it is also just corruption there as it is in the US, but in any case it is completely unacceptable for any government to enter private property for this sort of reason. EVER. PERIOD.
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Again, nothing too extreme in your opinion, as I find it quite 'balanced' and reasonable.

I don't think Dutch officials have a reputation for being corrupt, but in this case they do not have a clause for 'unreasonable search and seizures'. And while you picture a battalion of SWAT like LOs storming a few harmless, frail tenants' apartment, things go differently overseas.
BUT they do not have the authority to search a property without warrant. Their Constitution allows for such procedures. AND they will face much lesser penalties than they would ever face in the US.
So I will not shed a tear for the illegal pot growers, even if by US Constitutional standards, it's outrageous.
Given how liberal the Netherlands are in the matter of the consumption of pot, these people are only likely to make it harder for those who do so legally.
 
Can I link it to my car and house door so I never have to worry about keys again?
 
HeavensCloud said:
Can I link it to my car and house door so I never have to worry about keys again?
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It'd probably be hard to buy the equipment that works with the same chip as I assume it won't be available (at least easily) to consumers, but sure, you can do it if you do manage to buy (or otherwise build) a reader. I would argue that it's a really bad idea and in a car it's just another system that would make the car much easier to hotwire. The more electronics you add into the ignition/starting system, the more places there are for a thief to access.
 
RFID chips.. no thanks. Not happening. I would rather be without a job than have a stupid RFID chip implanted in me.

I'll just keep the RFID card in my wallet thank you very much.
 
give it six months before someone get gangreen from a dirty chip and all the lawyers get sue happy...
 
oh and fun stuff the modern chips are organic and will break down as minerals your body can absorb... lol...
 
Only good can come out of this, to think otherwise is to wear a tin foil hat.




I kid
 
drakken said:
oh and fun stuff the modern chips are organic and will break down as minerals your body can absorb... lol...
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I don't know about you but I am always having problems getting my daily allowance of Lead, Arsenic, and other heavy metals .... I am sure that the chip will help bring those levels up :p
 
kbrickley said:
I don't know about you but I am always having problems getting my daily allowance of Lead, Arsenic, and other heavy metals .... I am sure that the chip will help bring those levels up :p
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Don't worry! The iWatch will keep all those numbers in check, and let you know if anything is wrong.
 
Armenius said:
No, thanks. I already have enough chips floating around in my body from all the child and flu vaccines I've had.
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You've had...

"Child vaccines"?

I guess not a bad idea. We should sell these to people who are just fed up :p
 
holy shit this is like futurama.

i hope next theyre going to build those tubes
 
Zarathustra[H];1041419342 said:
You've had...

"Child vaccines"?

I guess not a bad idea. We should sell these to people who are just fed up :p
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Child vaccines are very effective at preventing children. A bad case of children can be very hazardous to your health, mind, and wallet, you know. A lot of people seem to be against the child vaccines, though; I hear some real crazy nutters have been holding children parties so everyone will have them! Ugh.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
Simply being tired of certain groups trying to loosely connect their "beliefs" to anything even remotely related when their "beliefs" have been shot down over and over and over.
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In other words, "I don't like what you think so STFU and go away"? Attempting to deny freedom of expression to someone else is the definition of intolerance. As for the so called "proof" of the bible being false... this is not the correct place to discuss that. It will turn into a hijacked thread that gets locked. Suffice it to say that there are those that disagree with you and the so-called facts you have accepted as true, the same as you disagree with their beliefs. If you're unable to refrain from attacking those that you disagree with and, in effect, shouting "Your beliefs are bullshit" in their faces at every opportunity, then you're a hater, plain and simple. It's disrespectful and extremely rude.

You can think whatever you want. Just don't be a dick about it.
 
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