slabhatnik
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davee- is your bequiet fan mounted outside or did you manage to get it into the psu enclosure?
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NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)
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It's mounted outside of the PSU housing. It's currently connected to a splitter cable with a resistor in it to lower the voltage and thus slow the fan speed. I will connect it to my z87e-itx for finer grained RPM control when I move the build as it is from it's temporary case in to the M1. I didn't even bother trying the noiseblocker as would've had to import it and from what I read in my research prior to buying the Be Quiet the noise profile would be as good or worse than the Be Quiet 80mm one.
As for cooling capability and RPM's I was confident that I could slow down the Be Quiet enough to be inaudible as I won't be ever be pushing the PSU to anywhere near it's output limit. I tend to stay around the mid-end range of hardware in terms of price and performance as I simply don't need eye candy cranked to the max (I've been gaming since I was a kid in the 80's and to me almost everything looks good graphically these days!) Plus, the added benefit of lower priced, less powerful components is that they use less power and create less heat, and are thus easier to cool quietly.
So I gave myself a power budget of about ~250w max from the wall, which would be ~50% of the capability of the ST45SF-G at its gold rating. I will be using a slightly overclocked 4670k (needed to run my Wii games in HD
), an asrock z87e-itx, 16gb of crucial LP ram, one SSD and one 1TB 2.5 5400rpm drive, a few fans and a GTX 660. Peak numbers are - CPU ~65w, GPU ~120w, everything else ~40w = ~225w = silent PSU.
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I installed a H220 on a Impact last night. I couldnt get all of the fasteners tight and was running into the problems of the elbow conflicting with the power board. I got it to work but one of the fasteners is wanting to cross thread because it isnt exactly aligned perfectly. I'll take another look at it tonight but it's an incredibly tight fit.
Anyone waiting for the Adamantium Res, seems like fronzenQ had an accident at the shop.
"Due to a laser fire that damaged a large portion of our shop, we will be closed until Monday 11/11/13.
If you have any outstanding orders we will be working to get them shipped out as soon as possible.
Thank you,
Alex
--
Alex Quaintance"
I guess it might be delayed for a bit
"Due to a laser fire that damaged a large portion of our shop, we will be closed until Monday 11/11/13.
If you have any outstanding orders we will be working to get them shipped out as soon as possible.
Thank you,
Alex
--
Alex Quaintance"
I guess it might be delayed for a bit
Phuncz
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So let's get the ball rolling:
This is what I'm using in the build:
● Ncase M1 - N° 0796
● Asrock Z87E-ITX
● Intel Core i5-4670K
● Noctua NH-L12
● 2x 8GB Crucial VLP 1600MHz
● AMD Radeon R9 290X (reference)
● Samsung 830 256GB SSD
● Silverstone ST45SF-G 450W SFX PSU
So the orientation for the NH-L12 on the Z87E-ITX I used for the CM Elite 130 doesn't work, it sticks out at the top (see pic) and towards the I/O ports.
So don't install this cooler on this motherboard like this, it won't fit.
But this orientation does !
Although barely spareing a few millimeters on the top. So you're mounting the heatpipes towards the top.
AMD Radeon R9 290X fits, I routed the HD-AUDIO plug over the GPU to not bend it too sharply. You can zip-tie it at the bottom (top of the pic) on the side to secure and hide it.
Here you see everything mounted and connected. I like the SSD being tucked away to the right.
Where did the SSD go ? It just vanished.
Top view, here you can see the CPU has about 55-60mm left. So enough for a slim radiator.
Although the CPU backplate isn't fully accessible (an issue for later), the mSATA slot is.
Nothing but cables in the front. I put the T-shape SATA power connector just inside that slot so I don't have to stuff it somewhere else. Zip-tie to keep cables from moving about.
Top view showing the clearances. I didn't have any cables acting strange.
The assembled computer is quiet, CPU is a little less cool than in the Elite 130 but it also had an extra fan. I might change the fan profile to compensate, I'll need tot test.
All in all I am damn impressed with the work done by Necere and Wahaha360 in designing a brilliant case and delivering it to my door with the best trans-continental shipping experience ever. You guys deserve medals for being pinnacles in the community. Respect and love for the both of you !
This is what I'm using in the build:
● Ncase M1 - N° 0796
● Asrock Z87E-ITX
● Intel Core i5-4670K
● Noctua NH-L12
● 2x 8GB Crucial VLP 1600MHz
● AMD Radeon R9 290X (reference)
● Samsung 830 256GB SSD
● Silverstone ST45SF-G 450W SFX PSU
So the orientation for the NH-L12 on the Z87E-ITX I used for the CM Elite 130 doesn't work, it sticks out at the top (see pic) and towards the I/O ports.
So don't install this cooler on this motherboard like this, it won't fit.
But this orientation does !
Although barely spareing a few millimeters on the top. So you're mounting the heatpipes towards the top.
AMD Radeon R9 290X fits, I routed the HD-AUDIO plug over the GPU to not bend it too sharply. You can zip-tie it at the bottom (top of the pic) on the side to secure and hide it.
Here you see everything mounted and connected. I like the SSD being tucked away to the right.
Where did the SSD go ? It just vanished.
Top view, here you can see the CPU has about 55-60mm left. So enough for a slim radiator.
Although the CPU backplate isn't fully accessible (an issue for later), the mSATA slot is.
Nothing but cables in the front. I put the T-shape SATA power connector just inside that slot so I don't have to stuff it somewhere else. Zip-tie to keep cables from moving about.
Top view showing the clearances. I didn't have any cables acting strange.
The assembled computer is quiet, CPU is a little less cool than in the Elite 130 but it also had an extra fan. I might change the fan profile to compensate, I'll need tot test.
All in all I am damn impressed with the work done by Necere and Wahaha360 in designing a brilliant case and delivering it to my door with the best trans-continental shipping experience ever. You guys deserve medals for being pinnacles in the community. Respect and love for the both of you !
You do realize that Noctua advises against mounting the heatpipes upwards?
http://noctua.at/pdf/manuals/noctua_nh_l12_manual_en.pdf
If I were you, I'd check temperature, maybe you're fine, but mayhaps you would run into problems..
http://noctua.at/pdf/manuals/noctua_nh_l12_manual_en.pdf
If I were you, I'd check temperature, maybe you're fine, but mayhaps you would run into problems..
adamantium
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Anyone waiting for the Adamantium Res, seems like fronzenQ had an accident at the shop.
"Due to a laser fire that damaged a large portion of our shop, we will be closed until Monday 11/11/13.
If you have any outstanding orders we will be working to get them shipped out as soon as possible.
Thank you,
Alex
--
Alex Quaintance"
I guess it might be delayed for a bit
Where did you see this? I still see the hospitalization message on his web site.
AFD
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You do realize that Noctua advises against mounting the heatpipes upwards?
http://noctua.at/pdf/manuals/noctua_nh_l12_manual_en.pdf
If I were you, I'd check temperature, maybe you're fine, but mayhaps you would run into problems..
Yeah, def keep tabs on your CPU temps with the cooler oriented that way..
And thanks Phuncz for the great pics and fitment info you provided, really appreciate it!
EDIT: And btw, why didn't the L12 fit with heatpipes over RAM?
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drklu
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Anyone in the US receive a case yet besides VIPs?
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I think it's only fair that you us americans are last considering you paid less
Not our fault your countries charge you for importing
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Nothing here in NJ yet...
I think it's only fair that you us americans are last considering you paid less
And that we don't have to pay customs and those sort of things.
Not our fault your countries charge you for importing
I meant the actual campaign. Intl pledgers had to pay $40 more
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I meant the actual campaign. Intl pledgers had to pay $40 more
That's shitty. I'm glad to be American at times. Other times. . . not so much.
Nothing here in NJ yet...
And that we don't have to pay customs and those sort of things.
Check your pm.
wanna trade feets?
US shipments will probably be last since they are not shipping in the order Wahaha directed them to and are just slapping them onto ships when space is open. Also they will probably hit the West Coast first and trickle across to the East Coast. I don't mind the wait, gives me more time to watch others fiddle with builds.
Well afaik the original plan was to ship all the cases to the US and then distributed them from there, so it is kinda alright.
I don't mind paying (import) taxes, as long as I can get a college/university degree for free
Anyway .... I still don't have my M1 either
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Oh, I didn't even realize I had a PM!
I actually like the black feet now after watching M4rk's video of his black M1. Looks sleek!
Sorry man...
slabhatnik
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I'm looking forward to some pictures of some cases with the AD2 in them. Any recent recipients of the M1 working on this yet, little hard to tell from the spreadsheet...? I am so close to buying the AD2 but need to be certain that it will fit- as well as certain that my callous hands can handle such a fine-tuned installation.
Demciflex are not entirely consistent thickness. I have one from a couple of years ago that measures 1.9mm and another I bought earlier this year that's 2.25mm thick. Oh and another one that's more like 1.65mm.
I beg to differ. Sweclockers' power consumption results, using actual games, can be found at the bottom of this page (it's the last graph, "Effektmätning"):
http://www.sweclockers.com/recension/17844-nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-ti/print
That's with an i7-4960X @ 4.4GHz on an Asus Rampage IV Extreme, and don't forget the AC/DC conversion overhead.
The full system with 290X (über mode) maxed out at 405W including AC/DC loss. That's something the Silverstone SFX ST45SF-G should handle with laughter (except maybe the stock fan, it'll be screaming for mercy).
290X overclocked (don't remember the numbers though) maxed out at 425W including AC/DC loss. Still nothing to worry about.
Oh, and I'll be popping my 290X into one of my M1's as soon as I've got my build fully figured out. Won't be using the stock cooler though; it's a bit too noisy.
I'm not super knowledgeable about PSU's, but I believe 80+ Gold means the efficiency is at least ~90%.
This would mean your PSU possibly dies if you try overclocking the 290X. I wouldn't say this is 'nothing to worry about'.
No, you've got it all backwards. The max power consumption/supply for a PSU is measured at the DC side. The power consumption numbers the test refers to is measured at the AC side.
425W AC at 90% conversion efficiency means ~383W DC. That's nothing to worry about.
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This and also... who would even overclock a 290X in a M1, without it being under water.
95C on air is no joke...
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Drive came today. 3rd part for the M1
The only M.2 drives I can find are 80 and 128gb. Let me know if you find any larger for sale.
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looks like a mini mini D14... D9? I don't know how it would perform vs the C12/C14 coolers
they're saying Q1 2014 on their website, worth the wait? I'm eyeing the C12 and still maintaining compatibility with the side bracket, but if this new prototype also fits then I must say I prefer the tower style cooler
Hoping the d9 gives me the tower design benefits of the vertical airflow pathway as well as the benefit of a side fan for helping to introduce cool air for the cooler in higher load situations which the u9b could benefit from at this stage. Essentially after a tower with a low enough profile to fit a side fan.
Other than that, I would like to have a top down that sits flush against the side fan, like the c14, but the issue is being able to install this in my motherboard with its heavily top biased CPU location. Until I have the case on hand and confirm that it fits with heat pipes up, and someone confirms that heap pipes facing up works thermally without too much of a performance hit, then the c14 or similar would be my choice.
I suspect a side fan won't fit with the d9 but you can always use the back fan as intake and let positive pressure do its work for exhaust. Assuming that the back fan fits...
I'd disagree. The Scythe Big Shuriken fits perfectly on the Asus Z77/Z87 boards, and packs a real punch. I'm going to be using one for my N1 NAS-box build...
With my U9B, the rear fan should be possible. Comfortably with the 14mm slim, and tight, but possible with a 25mm thick. (well, this is with my cardboard build, with which there will be more space than mine in the real M1.
As stated, the real question is, how well does it compare between the C12/C14, vs the D9.
Its so much fun just thinking out the different layouts, cant wait to have the real case on hand! Still none shipped and delivered in Australia yet.
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I had indeed realised this, but the caring factor was almost zeroYou do realize that Noctua advises against mounting the heatpipes upwards?
http://noctua.at/pdf/manuals/noctua_nh_l12_manual_en.pdf
If I were you, I'd check temperature, maybe you're fine, but mayhaps you would run into problems..
The temps were only a few °C higher than in the CM Elite 130 but that also had two extra fans. It had the 120mm Noctua fan (of the NH-L12) as a casefan (blowing inwards) and the 92mm as the CPU fan mounted underneath it. The 120mm fan of the PSU I had back then was just above the CPU exhausting air out, so it was just a better situation.
The NCASE M1 only has the 120mm fan. To compensate for the lack of fans, I have adjusted the fan profile I had in the Elite 130:
35°C = 33%
40°C = 50%
50°C = 67%
60°C = 80%
To this:
35°C = 40%
40°C = 55%
50°C = 70%
60°C = 80%
Fully loaded with BurnInTest it tops out at about 50°C in the Ncase M1.
Compare this to the same test in the CM Elite 130 but with the less agressive fan profile:
While the Asrock Z87E-ITX isn't centered, it's still not as bad as most Z77's are and some Z87's still are. Current Z87 motherboards:
Gigabyte GA-Z87N-WIFI
MSI Z87I
EVGA Z87 Stinger
Asus Z87i-PRO
Asus Maximus VI Impact
Asrock Z87E-ITX
None are centered, just "more or less" or are towards the GPU which I do not prefer.
The Gigabyte and MSI boards are towards the lower-right which is just asking for trouble.
The EVGA has a large shroud close by, the Asus'es have daughterboards around the socket.
In that regard, the Asrock isn't doing so bad. Anandtech recently reviewed it and recommends it, which doesn't happen every day and I consider them to be good motherboard reviewers.
I wouldn't call the NH-L12 ideal since it's lack in cooling capacity (only an issue with overclocking), but it does allow to use the CPU heatsink on air and a radiator on the side to liquid-cool the GPU, which I'm leaning towards.
The NH-C14 seems to be a better fit when air-cooling everything:
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