NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

WiSK said:
So if you insure the package for 200 euro and mark it as gift, the import duty is going to be only 5 euro. Which is fine.
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I think you're wrong, there is no relief on VAT for gifts above €45. Duty and VAT are separate, and VAT is always added after the duty.

If the duty rate is correct then the total tax will be €205+VAT at 21% for the Netherlands i.e. €248.05.

Duty + VAT payable is €48.05

You also have to pay VAT on the cost of shipping, if it cost €40 to ship then add another €8.40

You will be also be charged by the postal service or courier for handling the customs charge, this fee covers the 'loan' for them paying the duty+tax, collecting the tax from you and repackaging a parcel opened for inspection. It will be another €10-€20.

Expect to pay ~€70 total tax and fees on a €200 case.
 
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Well that sucks for international folks and explains why companies normally find reseller partners when selling stock outside their home countries. ;)
 
IanM said:
I think you're wrong, there is no relief on VAT for gifts above €45. Duty and VAT are separate, and VAT is always added after the duty.
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I had another look at the rules, and I'm afraid you are correct :(

Thanks for pointing out my mistake.

IanM said:
Expect to pay ~€70 total tax and fees on a €200 case.
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Could be even more.

200 case
40 shipping
10 insurance
duty = 2.5% over 250 = 6.25 euro
vat = 21% over 256.25 = 53.81 euro
total 310.06 euro

:eek:
 
WiSK said:
I had another look at the rules, and I'm afraid you are correct :(
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It's depressing isn't it. The only slight consolation is that since computer components are essential business tools they don't attract duty anyway (unless the tariffs changed recently) so I think we would only be looking at paying the VAT and the 2.5% relief rate for duty would not apply - the lowest applicable rate is always used for correctly declared items so it should be 0% in this instance even for non-gift imports.

Duty for specific categories of items can be found on the TARIC website, although it can be a massive PITA to find what your looking for. Often it's easier just to telephone your local tax office, but for anyone who wants to check the duty rates the TARIC database may be searched here: http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/taric_consultation.jsp?Lang=en
 
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Since this is a niche case, I'd expect the price to be quite a bit. Unless we are talking over 300-400USD, I think anything under 300 it reasonable due to the cost, volume, etc.
 
Lian li makes quality shit and even their cheap shit is expensive as shit. So everyone knows this shit is only for someone with a shit load of money

Really beautiful Renders. Beautiful as shit. But like all lian li cases, completely ignorant of dust. Unless you live in japan where there is apparently no dust, this case will get dusty as shit, just like every cheap case that does a shit job of dealing with dust. Oh shit!
 
bAMtan2 said:
Lian li makes quality shit and even their cheap shit is expensive as shit. So everyone knows this shit is only for someone with a shit load of money

Really beautiful Renders. Beautiful as shit. But like all lian li cases, completely ignorant of dust. Unless you live in japan where there is apparently no dust, this case will get dusty as shit, just like every cheap case that does a shit job of dealing with dust. Oh shit!
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You're killan' me, smalls. :)

Yeah the lack of filters on stuff Lian Li makes annoys me too, which is part of the reason I love Silverstone and Fractal.
 
M4rk said:
How easy is it to get those suckers out and clean 'em without unmounting any fans? :confused:
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Those type of filters are a pain. In most cases, you have to pretty much unscrew the fan to get access to it. Looking at the rendering though, it seems as though there's a little slot between the dual fan mount and the case panel that this can slide into, so it should be SLIGHTLY easier.

In all honesty though, I would have preferred magnetic fan filters.
 
Necere or Wahaha

Do you know what type of aluminum alloy Lian li or Silverstone would be using to make this case?
 
jamaicanpi said:
Necere or Wahaha

Do you know what type of aluminum alloy Lian li or Silverstone would be using to make this case?
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I heard it's unobtanium/aluminum/bismuth alloy, which explains why it's taking for Lian Li to source the materials. :(
 
i've seen some magnetic fan filters. maybe there would be room to affix them on the inside?
i've never used them before so no idea how well they work
 
How much do you guys want magnetic filters? We can get custom Demciflex filters with adhesive magnetic frames that attach to the case, but it's going to cost: around $6 per filter. There are four 120mm fan locations, though most people will probably only use two... so the added cost will be $12 or $24, for either two or four filters included.

W360 thinks we should just let you guys get your own filters... what do you think?
 
What percentage of the overall price is that $12? I agree they should only be on the intake points, so two of them.

If we're already looking at a significant outlay (~$300), I would expect to go with magnetic, custom jobs. Can we get similar pricing / specs as individuals? Otherwise, something off the shelf would be fine (I.e. this would push us over $200, and thus alienate a bunch of backers). Will the ones from the TJ08E not fit (sorry if they've already been linked)? I bet they're pretty inexpensive (in bulk).
 
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Necere said:
W360 thinks we should just let you guys get your own filters... what do you think?
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I've ordered custom filters from them before. Was $8.50 per filter for a one-off custom, plus like $15 postage. So if we have to buy them ourselves it's significantly more costly to the end-user.
 
"Do you guys like magnetic fan filters so much more than regular screw-on filters to pay $12-$15 extra and wait up to 1 extra week for the case to ship"

That's the real question.

We can get regular filters in bulk for a lot less than the magnetic ones (magnets are expensive, fan filters are cheap).

Since DEMCiflex filters are from S.Africa, there will be a delay in shipping b/c I would have to open 300 prepackaged box from Taiwan and add the filters in manually all by myself.
 
My vote is go with the cheaper option. Screw in filters and those who desire magnets can sort it themselves.
 
crazjayz said:
Those type of filters are a pain. In most cases, you have to pretty much unscrew the fan to get access to it. Looking at the rendering though, it seems as though there's a little slot between the dual fan mount and the case panel that this can slide into, so it should be SLIGHTLY easier.

In all honesty though, I would have preferred magnetic fan filters.
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true, in my case the screws holds the filter and the fan. and now that I mounted the H60 cooler the screws are holding the filter, fan, radiator and that rubber frame that comes with the GT15 fan.

btw this blocks lots of dust.
 
As a potential customer for this case, I'd do the filter stuff a lot easier:

a) Get lian-li's filters for everybody.
b) Since the cases will be shipped from the USA, I bet the organizers could also offer some magnetic filters in an individual basis, because It'd be much cheaper to have one party getting all the filters than everybody who wants some magnetic ones having the cash for the shipping (since there would only be one shipping form the manufacturer to the USA, and then the filters could go into the main package).

At the end of the day, though, its a matter of cost. IF we are talking about a 250€ case, + 100€ in shipping + duty + VAT (for euro folks), adding 30-50€ in filters is not something too expensive at all...
 
Necere said:
How much do you guys want magnetic filters? We can get custom Demciflex filters with adhesive magnetic frames that attach to the case, but it's going to cost: around $6 per filter. There are four 120mm fan locations, though most people will probably only use two... so the added cost will be $12 or $24, for either two or four filters included.

W360 thinks we should just let you guys get your own filters... what do you think?
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Let us get our own but include a recommendation in the case documentation about which filters work best.

wahaha360 said:
"Do you guys like magnetic fan filters so much more than regular screw-on filters to pay $12-$15 extra and wait up to 1 extra week for the case to ship"

That's the real question.

We can get regular filters in bulk for a lot less than the magnetic ones (magnets are expensive, fan filters are cheap).

Since DEMCiflex filters are from S.Africa, there will be a delay in shipping b/c I would have to open 300 prepackaged box from Taiwan and add the filters in manually all by myself.
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I'll fly over and help you pack 'em so you won't be lonely. ;)
 
M4rk said:
Let us get our own but include a recommendation in the case documentation about which filters work best.
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I definitely think this is the best route. Unless you guys are trying to go the murderbox route and offer the absolute best case with top of the line custom accessories, just throw some $1-$2 fan filters.

If the end user wants to get better filters, having a list of compatible filters would be very nice. Moreover, if you guys are planning to take this case building thing seriously, you can get a bulk order of some nicer magnetic filters, like the DEMCiflex, and sell them as a compatible accessory from your website. (I would say the same for the case top, or a window side panel, etc)
 
$6 per filter really isnt too expensive. i someone is going to spend $200+ for a case, i don't see how an extra $6-$12 will make much of a difference :p
 
M4rk said:
I'll fly over and help you pack 'em so you won't be lonely. ;)
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I appreciate the gesture and you should be careful what you ask for ;)
Ideally, I want to avoid opening prepackaged boxes from OEM manufacturer. Necere is designing the packaging, I don't want to ruin it removing and applying packing tape.

The current thought in the order of preference:
1) find Magnetic filters in Taiwan (a modified SS filter or LL will find us some)
2) ship DEMCiflex to Taiwan and have OEM add to the package

I'm leaning away from selling DEMCiflex on our website or selling anything after KS. As a resident of NYC, I don't have space to store anything to sell online. It is b/c I have so little space, I became interested in SFF systems.
 
I'm fine with no filters.

If you do include them, why bother unpacking them? Just toss em in the box.
 
1911Shootist said:
I'm fine with no filters.

If you do include them, why bother unpacking them? Just toss em in the box.
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You've misunderstood. The case will be packaged up and shipped from Taiwan, right? We want to avoid having to open that box, "toss the filters in," and re-seal it. So the filters need to be included in the initial packing at the factory.
 
WiSK said:
Plenty of time to save up :)
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I've got $2k sitting in the bank ready for a new build in this case.

My current i7 920 will be made into an HTPC while my old socket 939 PC becomes a NAS. Don't know what to do with my old P4 Prescott, though.
 
PolarBear said:
Any projections on prototype funding/actual funding/item manufactured dates?
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Nothing official from W360 or Necere yet, but I'm guessing it won't be long before we get to the prototype funding stage. ;)

nite0 said:
I missed it - what is the anticipated price point of this case?
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No one knows for sure yet, but some rough estimates have been floated on previous pages.
 
Still our price target

wahaha360 said:
Not sure how to soften the blow, but it's going to cost between $100-$200.

We won't have an exact number until I haven't finish planning for:
1) Indiegogo fees + prototype costs
2) prototype testing cost (sending to review websites)
3) final product packaging
4) shipping to warehouse (Taiwan to USA)
5) import duty
6) insurance
7) delivery costs to end supporters
8) Kickstarter fees + credit fees for final product campaign.
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