Wow. Honestly, I would expect such a significant change to have an accompanying Marketing/PR blurb of some kind trumpeting the change (they live for things like that). Unless/Until there is some other official word I would err on the side of caution before automatically assuming it were gospel (especially with the lack of change on the product spec pages)
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Wow. Honestly, I would expect such a significant change to have an accompanying Marketing/PR blurb of some kind trumpeting the change (they live for things like that). Unless/Until there is some other official word I would err on the side of caution before automatically assuming it were gospel (especially with the lack of change on the product spec pages)
You're kidding me, right? Your warranty lives and dies by the warranty database of the manufacturer. If they say you have no warranty you can try and argue it out with them and say you have a printscreen from 4 years ago, but buried in the legalese you agree to when using the drive is essentially that they are right and you are wrong. If this is indeed official, they will modify the dates on unsold inventory, but until I see anything official (more official than that page.. A change also in the individual spec sheets and some kind of PR release about the change) you shouldn't bet the farm on anything greater than 3 years. Something like this (almost doubling the warranty) would be significant (especially for a non-enterprise drive) and I would expect them to announce it in advance to get people interested. Again, it could be true, I would just wait for something specifically announcing it before I made my decisions to purchase based with weight to the warranty.
Nuts
3 years still isn't bad, to be sure, but 5 would've made these far and away the best value.
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I can check for you in about two weeks. I have some reds on the way. PM me around the end of the month if you still don't have an answer by then.
Have you considered at the GP-AV disks? They're rated for 24/7 use like the reds and don't have TLER unless they're access using the special ATA streaming command set. No regular OS will use those commands. WD ships them in some of their small NAS units.
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they are a gimmick and people here are gullible, but if the price is right it could make sense now that wd is a dick and prevents you from changing TLER.
these drives will fail in a few years just like all the other WD drives. there isnt money in quality like there used to be.
all my wd black and wd green have failed in about the same time period. the only difference is a lot of the greens just missed their shorter warranty window, like these reds will.
I just picked up 4x3tb reds for storage backup but 3 of the 4 failed in the raid creation process.
As you may be wondering 2 of the 4 are already on their way back to the Eggcrate for refund.
I do miss the Hitachi drives.
Think I'll bite the bullet and go for enterprise disks now.
As you may be wondering 2 of the 4 are already on their way back to the Eggcrate for refund.
I do miss the Hitachi drives.
Think I'll bite the bullet and go for enterprise disks now.
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I bit the bullet and bought 10 of the 3TB WD Red's for a backup array at work. Have them running in a RAID6 array with a hot spare on an Adaptec 5445. So far, so good. Performance is more than acceptable for a backup machine and haven't had any trouble with them, yet. Did have to update the Adaptec card's firmware, the firmware on the Areca SAS expander, and the arcconf utility to get them to support the 3TB drives, though.
I bought 6 of those when they were in stock
crazy that newegg is charging $260 for a 3TB WD Red vs $240 for a 4TB Hitachi at bhphoto
of course both are out of stock at the moment
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5K4000s are EOL (discontinued) so you may be in for a very long wait.
You might want to try buying from someone who packs correctly before going with enterprise disks. Newegg is notoriously bad for multi-disk orders. They don't package them properly and the disks bang together during shipment. Bubble wrap and peanuts is not good enough. If the disks don't come in individual boxes with the specialized foam disk inserts take your business somewhere else. The only other acceptable method is to cut down the foam 20 pack and ship in that.
I recently called a vendor to ask how they package disks. I asked if they use indiviual boxes with the inserts and the manager said "Of course!" as if I was asking a stupid question. I told the guy that the majority of retailers bubble wrap disks and toss them in a box with peanuts. He was shocked. That was exactly what I wanted to hear.
5K4000s are EOL (discontinued) so you may be in for a very long wait.
They are still widely available. I suspect there is still a factory cranking them out (albeit slowly) to satisfy some of the conditions of the Hitachi GST acquisition. I can post the manufacture date on my HDDs when I receive them (hopefully EnderW will too).
5K4000s are EOL (discontinued) so you may be in for a very long wait.
You might want to try buying from someone who packs correctly before going with enterprise disks. Newegg is notoriously bad for multi-disk orders. They don't package them properly and the disks bang together during shipment. Bubble wrap and peanuts is not good enough. If the disks don't come in individual boxes with the specialized foam disk inserts take your business somewhere else. The only other acceptable method is to cut down the foam 20 pack and ship in that.
I recently called a vendor to ask how they package disks. I asked if they use indiviual boxes with the inserts and the manager said "Of course!" as if I was asking a stupid question. I told the guy that the majority of retailers bubble wrap disks and toss them in a box with peanuts. He was shocked. That was exactly what I wanted to hear.
While I've had badly packed hard drives from them before, these 2 were packed very well.
Probably just bad luck.
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I have had no problems at all mixing drives at work (where I have dozens of arrays) on linux software raid 6 or zfs.
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What do you guys think about having mixed disk types in a array?
Mixing Hitachi 5k3000 3TB and WD RED 3TB, bad ide or a REALY bad ide??
It is generally not a problem UNLESS you didn't choose the truncate option on your RAID card. I had one situation years ago where someone forgot to enable that and the 4 drives that we wanted to add to the array were like .001% smaller than the existing ones and therefore too small to add to the array.
The two 4TB Hitachi 5K4000s that I just got from bhphotovideo have a manufacture date of July 2012: "Made in Thailand by Hitachi Global Storage Technologies". So clearly they continued to be made for at least several months after the HGST acquisition closed. And I think they continue to be manufactured, although I do not know in what quantities.
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the reds (2tb's) don't seem to like being in a raid5 on an intel RS2WC080 - they do 500MB/s-ish read but only ~60MB/s write which obviously isn't blistering
can anyone verify if you set TLER off and power cycle that the setting remains off?
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No luck yet at finding a source of these in stock?
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Why not buy from a reputable shop that's out of stock but willing to put in an order to WD? I think that's what most of us are doing.
Just FYI.
I just got off the phone with a western digital rep. regarding my RMA.
They received the disk back on Sept. 12.
They called to say they were completely out of stock on the 3tb reds, and
they wouldn't be able to ship out the replacement until the middle of October.
Not very pleased.
I just got off the phone with a western digital rep. regarding my RMA.
They received the disk back on Sept. 12.
They called to say they were completely out of stock on the 3tb reds, and
they wouldn't be able to ship out the replacement until the middle of October.
Not very pleased.
Rumor floating around (our rep wouldn't confirm or deny the question officially) is there is a "problem" in the existing drives that may or may not be fixed by a firmware update in existing drives (If not, they will either have an official recall or just not say anything and wait for them to fail). They are making the production line changes now which is why there haven't been drives anywhere for a few weeks and likely won't be for about 3 more weeks.
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You would think.....
Then again, I said that after the Bernoulli Fiasco. And the Iomega Click-of-Death (Zip & Jaz) fiasco. And the Exabyte M2 fiasco. And the Maxtor Fiasco.. And the 75GXP fiasco. And the 7200.11 fiasco...
Aww, we can do better than that. How about WD Red October? (assuming it does not get official until next month...)
Well, we know about it now... So WDC Black September
What, there is a problem with the WD Black HDDs?
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Why would anyone think that?
There's virtually no competition now in the hard drive market, and warranties have been reduced to as little as one to two years. The consequences of producing drives that fail in droves are far less severe than they would have been just a year or two ago.
This is leaving a bad taste in my mouth, along with the complete ass raping I've been getting by all my green drives (12 in total) developing bad or weak sectors continuously. I'm done with WD.
What would be the closest comparable drive that Seagate offers that lend themselves well to being racked in a Norco RPC-4224? I don't need TLER as my drives are managed by WHS, but it would be nice to have it. As well as some kind of balancing and vibration system because of their close proximity to each other in the Norco case.
What would be the closest comparable drive that Seagate offers that lend themselves well to being racked in a Norco RPC-4224? I don't need TLER as my drives are managed by WHS, but it would be nice to have it. As well as some kind of balancing and vibration system because of their close proximity to each other in the Norco case.
See Post #310.
I was just responding to it.
I also purchased 4x3tb disks just 2 weeks ago, and of those 4 disks 3 had numerous hardware
and medium errors.
Since Western Digital bought out Hitachi to kill there competition, and now producing hard drives that fail in drove's surely isn't less severe now.
I can't think of a worse time for this to happen to Western Digital.
I was just responding to it.
I also purchased 4x3tb disks just 2 weeks ago, and of those 4 disks 3 had numerous hardware
and medium errors.
Since Western Digital bought out Hitachi to kill there competition, and now producing hard drives that fail in drove's surely isn't less severe now.
I can't think of a worse time for this to happen to Western Digital.